Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Did the defense ask any questions about whether the forensic experts discovered any evidence that Christine fought back at anytime? Or if she was asleep until she was woken up by the stabbing? I hope the prosecution clears that time gap up because they will definitely show the jury the extent that the murder happened before Joe even started any of the planned fantasy. And it will dispute the claim that BB disrupted Joe attempting to kill Christine.

That doesn’t matter. They have evidence that BB catfished Joe. No one thinks BB tried to save the day.

It would be a big deal if they found Brendan’s dna under CB’s nails, for example

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Anonymous wrote:Did the defense ask any questions about whether the forensic experts discovered any evidence that Christine fought back at anytime? Or if she was asleep until she was woken up by the stabbing? I hope the prosecution clears that time gap up because they will definitely show the jury the extent that the murder happened before Joe even started any of the planned fantasy. And it will dispute the claim that BB disrupted Joe attempting to kill Christine.

That doesn’t matter. They have evidence that BB catfished Joe. No one thinks BB tried to save the day.

Agree, but still want to know what happened. Is there any chance she was stabbed before the rape scenario even started?

That’s what the book deals and tv shows are for

Did Juliana say yesterday that Tess stopped paying into her commissary and some TV producers or something started paying for her commissary and calls home? She's hard to understand, so not totally sure, but was surprised this was allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:I was searching around to see if any documents were available for the case. I didn't find them but found the court is uploading the trial exhibits to their website. I haven't looked yet, but be warned, they might be graphic if they uploaded scene photos. They can be found here

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/high-profile-cases

Omg. I read the telegram conversation. I wish I hadn’t. So disturbing on many levels.

My Takeaway on the telegram conversations was that Joe wanted to make sure that he didn’t cross any boundaries with who he thought was Christine. Wanted to make sure that he arrived when he was told and left when he was told and did only things that “she” consented to.

I wonder if this will have an effect on the fetish community — like it’s a major red flag if the only comms are via messages, and the person says don’t actually confirm the intent and limits with me when we meet in person. Hopefully no one ever does this again — I can see someone setting something like this up as revenge on an ex. Consent should always be confirmed in person.

I really hope so. Anyone on that website should take this case to heart to protect themselves and ensure they don't do harm to others.

The depravity of BB is astonishing. To think something like this up. To work toward it for months. To have conversations with a stranger and know you are sentencing him to death. And then, to not just murder your wife - the mother of your child - but to make her suffer, to make her last moments on earth unbearably painful. How did he even get to that point? It's unfathomable to me. Pure pure evil.

The truth of the matter is that Joe was engaging in risky behavior. Not behavior for which he should be murdered but risky behavior none the less. Meeting sex for strangers is risky.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Where would we be 1 million pages into this topic without you to educate us?

If Joe had not agreed to this, we wouldn’t be here would we?

What you should be asking or saying is that we wouldn’t be here if Brendan didn’t plot to murder his wife in cold blood. Like a Psychopath!

Did you read the telegram? The things he was talking about were violent and horrifying. Adding in comments about boundaries doesn’t discount that he was a terrifying man. That Christine had to be subjected to any part of that is beyond awful.

Just because your life is vanilla, doesn’t mean others are too 🤷🏻‍♀️
As far as I know, he’s not accused of anything. He’s a victim. If he was terrifying, he’d be out actually r4p… people

There a lot of real estate between vanilla bean and the twisted Baskin Robbin’s 31 ways to “pretend” violently rape and violate a woman in the most painful and degrading way possible (in the telegram not gonna post here)). He’s a victim for sure but not a nice one and a bit of a victim of his own making.

I read the transcript and was horrified by it, but that man (Joe) was FULLY committed to consent. He, multiple times, verified things like safe words (I think they talked about snapping fingers?) and he verbally expressed concern that if he restrained her in a certain way she wouldnt be able to snap if she wanted him to stop. He even verified the exact time that he would stop restraining her and that he would set an alarm. And there were other instances of him being very proactive in making sure there was consent, and that he knew exactly what she wanted, what she didn't want, and how she could signal for him to stop. No one is going to ever accuse me of being remotely in to any of this stuff that I read in the transcript, but you absolutely cannot place the blame on Joe for this and say that he "isn't nice" based on reading this. If anything, he came across as incredibly sensitive to making sure she was comfortable with the whole plan. So GTFO with calling him "not a nice victim and a victim of his own making". That's completely unfair.

He was a sadist who found a loophole. He got pleasure from hurting people and liked it so much that he entered into a clearly unsafe arrangement to satisfy his urges. No one can consent to being punched in the face but forced a**l is fine? Come on. Let’s not normalize this and let’s not pretend if the genders were reversed we wouldn’t be talking about how on earth a woman with any sense would go into a situation like that.

it was face slapping and not punching by the way. Sexual sadists are people that enjoy pain in others but it doesnt have to be deep pain, it can be a simple as enjoying pinching or spanking someone. Many men like to pull women's hair, that is a sadistic act and many women like light to heavy pain, as do men. So no it doesnt mean what you are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I was searching around to see if any documents were available for the case. I didn't find them but found the court is uploading the trial exhibits to their website. I haven't looked yet, but be warned, they might be graphic if they uploaded scene photos. They can be found here

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/high-profile-cases

Omg. I read the telegram conversation. I wish I hadn’t. So disturbing on many levels.

My Takeaway on the telegram conversations was that Joe wanted to make sure that he didn’t cross any boundaries with who he thought was Christine. Wanted to make sure that he arrived when he was told and left when he was told and did only things that “she” consented to.

I wonder if this will have an effect on the fetish community — like it’s a major red flag if the only comms are via messages, and the person says don’t actually confirm the intent and limits with me when we meet in person. Hopefully no one ever does this again — I can see someone setting something like this up as revenge on an ex. Consent should always be confirmed in person.

I really hope so. Anyone on that website should take this case to heart to protect themselves and ensure they don't do harm to others.

The depravity of BB is astonishing. To think something like this up. To work toward it for months. To have conversations with a stranger and know you are sentencing him to death. And then, to not just murder your wife - the mother of your child - but to make her suffer, to make her last moments on earth unbearably painful. How did he even get to that point? It's unfathomable to me. Pure pure evil.

The truth of the matter is that Joe was engaging in risky behavior. Not behavior for which he should be murdered but risky behavior none the less. Meeting sex for strangers is risky.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Where would we be 1 million pages into this topic without you to educate us?

If Joe had not agreed to this, we wouldn’t be here would we?

What you should be asking or saying is that we wouldn’t be here if Brendan didn’t plot to murder his wife in cold blood. Like a Psychopath!

Did you read the telegram? The things he was talking about were violent and horrifying. Adding in comments about boundaries doesn’t discount that he was a terrifying man. That Christine had to be subjected to any part of that is beyond awful.

Just because your life is vanilla, doesn’t mean others are too 🤷🏻‍♀️
As far as I know, he’s not accused of anything. He’s a victim. If he was terrifying, he’d be out actually r4p… people

There a lot of real estate between vanilla bean and the twisted Baskin Robbin’s 31 ways to “pretend” violently rape and violate a woman in the most painful and degrading way possible (in the telegram not gonna post here)). He’s a victim for sure but not a nice one and a bit of a victim of his own making.

I read the transcript and was horrified by it, but that man (Joe) was FULLY committed to consent. He, multiple times, verified things like safe words (I think they talked about snapping fingers?) and he verbally expressed concern that if he restrained her in a certain way she wouldnt be able to snap if she wanted him to stop. He even verified the exact time that he would stop restraining her and that he would set an alarm. And there were other instances of him being very proactive in making sure there was consent, and that he knew exactly what she wanted, what she didn't want, and how she could signal for him to stop. No one is going to ever accuse me of being remotely in to any of this stuff that I read in the transcript, but you absolutely cannot place the blame on Joe for this and say that he "isn't nice" based on reading this. If anything, he came across as incredibly sensitive to making sure she was comfortable with the whole plan. So GTFO with calling him "not a nice victim and a victim of his own making". That's completely unfair.

He was a sadist who found a loophole. He got pleasure from hurting people and liked it so much that he entered into a clearly unsafe arrangement to satisfy his urges. No one can consent to being punched in the face but forced a**l is fine? Come on. Let’s not normalize this and let’s not pretend if the genders were reversed we wouldn’t be talking about how on earth a woman with any sense would go into a situation like that.

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Even if he was the most conscientious person possible about consent, and it sounds like he was up there, it's still depraved in its very essence. And, shocker, turned out the person being attacked didn't consent at all. But it would not have been ok even if she had.

wrong, if you get permission and your intent is not to do harm it is between those two people. People enjoy all sorts of things and your judgement has no place in this discussion.

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You know what people should be super angry about instead of the fact that Joe had certain consensual fetishes… The fact that a husband murdered his wife, the mother of his child because he didn’t want to get a divorce and share custody and that he also lured another to their death while trying to defame both Christine and Joe. Victim blamers are disgusting. Almost as disgusting as Brendan Banfield.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what people should be super angry about instead of the fact that Joe had certain consensual fetishes… The fact that a husband murdered his wife, the mother of his child because he didn’t want to get a divorce and share custody and that he also lured another to their death while trying to defame both Christine and Joe. Victim blamers are disgusting. Almost as disgusting as Brendan Banfield.

I agree totally. This victim blaming is like blaming a woman for wearing a short red dress... she was asking for it. Stop blaming the dead guy! He was brutally murdered.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the defense ask any questions about whether the forensic experts discovered any evidence that Christine fought back at anytime? Or if she was asleep until she was woken up by the stabbing? I hope the prosecution clears that time gap up because they will definitely show the jury the extent that the murder happened before Joe even started any of the planned fantasy. And it will dispute the claim that BB disrupted Joe attempting to kill Christine.

That doesn’t matter. They have evidence that BB catfished Joe. No one thinks BB tried to save the day.

Agree, but still want to know what happened. Is there any chance she was stabbed before the rape scenario even started?

Juliana testified that Christine was not stabbed until after Joe was shot. Christine was able to verbally tell Juliana to call 911 after Brendan shot Joe.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what people should be super angry about instead of the fact that Joe had certain consensual fetishes… The fact that a husband murdered his wife, the mother of his child because he didn’t want to get a divorce and share custody and that he also lured another to their death while trying to defame both Christine and Joe. Victim blamers are disgusting. Almost as disgusting as Brendan Banfield.

Exactly. And the fact of the matter is Brendan created the scenario in which his wife who he’s known since he was a teenager would think she was being raped by a stranger and would have to watch him being shot by her husband and then would see her own husband stab her to death. Beyond disturbing and disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the defense ask any questions about whether the forensic experts discovered any evidence that Christine fought back at anytime? Or if she was asleep until she was woken up by the stabbing? I hope the prosecution clears that time gap up because they will definitely show the jury the extent that the murder happened before Joe even started any of the planned fantasy. And it will dispute the claim that BB disrupted Joe attempting to kill Christine.

That doesn’t matter. They have evidence that BB catfished Joe. No one thinks BB tried to save the day.

Agree, but still want to know what happened. Is there any chance she was stabbed before the rape scenario even started?

Juliana testified that Christine was not stabbed until after Joe was shot. Christine was able to verbally tell Juliana to call 911 after Brendan shot Joe.

Thank you.

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What is weird is that JM did call 911 based on CB’s request. She is pretty dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:What is weird is that JM did call 911 based on CB’s request. She is pretty dumb.

Also shows she does what her employers tell her to do.

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Anonymous wrote:What is weird is that JM did call 911 based on CB’s request. She is pretty dumb.

Also shows she does what her employers tell her to do.

And was likely panicking /in shock. Even though she knew the plan, she’s human at some level.

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Anonymous wrote:I was searching around to see if any documents were available for the case. I didn't find them but found the court is uploading the trial exhibits to their website. I haven't looked yet, but be warned, they might be graphic if they uploaded scene photos. They can be found here

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/high-profile-cases

Omg. I read the telegram conversation. I wish I hadn’t. So disturbing on many levels.

My Takeaway on the telegram conversations was that Joe wanted to make sure that he didn’t cross any boundaries with who he thought was Christine. Wanted to make sure that he arrived when he was told and left when he was told and did only things that “she” consented to.

I wonder if this will have an effect on the fetish community — like it’s a major red flag if the only comms are via messages, and the person says don’t actually confirm the intent and limits with me when we meet in person. Hopefully no one ever does this again — I can see someone setting something like this up as revenge on an ex. Consent should always be confirmed in person.

I really hope so. Anyone on that website should take this case to heart to protect themselves and ensure they don't do harm to others.

The depravity of BB is astonishing. To think something like this up. To work toward it for months. To have conversations with a stranger and know you are sentencing him to death. And then, to not just murder your wife - the mother of your child - but to make her suffer, to make her last moments on earth unbearably painful. How did he even get to that point? It's unfathomable to me. Pure pure evil.

The truth of the matter is that Joe was engaging in risky behavior. Not behavior for which he should be murdered but risky behavior none the less. Meeting sex for strangers is risky.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Where would we be 1 million pages into this topic without you to educate us?

If Joe had not agreed to this, we wouldn’t be here would we?

What you should be asking or saying is that we wouldn’t be here if Brendan didn’t plot to murder his wife in cold blood. Like a Psychopath!

Did you read the telegram? The things he was talking about were violent and horrifying. Adding in comments about boundaries doesn’t discount that he was a terrifying man. That Christine had to be subjected to any part of that is beyond awful.

Just because your life is vanilla, doesn’t mean others are too 🤷🏻‍♀️
As far as I know, he’s not accused of anything. He’s a victim. If he was terrifying, he’d be out actually r4p… people

There a lot of real estate between vanilla bean and the twisted Baskin Robbin’s 31 ways to “pretend” violently rape and violate a woman in the most painful and degrading way possible (in the telegram not gonna post here)). He’s a victim for sure but not a nice one and a bit of a victim of his own making.

I read the transcript and was horrified by it, but that man (Joe) was FULLY committed to consent. He, multiple times, verified things like safe words (I think they talked about snapping fingers?) and he verbally expressed concern that if he restrained her in a certain way she wouldnt be able to snap if she wanted him to stop. He even verified the exact time that he would stop restraining her and that he would set an alarm. And there were other instances of him being very proactive in making sure there was consent, and that he knew exactly what she wanted, what she didn't want, and how she could signal for him to stop. No one is going to ever accuse me of being remotely in to any of this stuff that I read in the transcript, but you absolutely cannot place the blame on Joe for this and say that he "isn't nice" based on reading this. If anything, he came across as incredibly sensitive to making sure she was comfortable with the whole plan. So GTFO with calling him "not a nice victim and a victim of his own making". That's completely unfair.

He was a sadist who found a loophole. He got pleasure from hurting people and liked it so much that he entered into a clearly unsafe arrangement to satisfy his urges. No one can consent to being punched in the face but forced a**l is fine? Come on. Let’s not normalize this and let’s not pretend if the genders were reversed we wouldn’t be talking about how on earth a woman with any sense would go into a situation like that.

+100

Even if he was the most conscientious person possible about consent, and it sounds like he was up there, it's still depraved in its very essence. And, shocker, turned out the person being attacked didn't consent at all. But it would not have been ok even if she had.

This is getting a little off topic but there’s legally, it is actually ok if it’s two consenting adults. It is very unseemly to me personally, but it is what it is.

Here though that’s irrelevant. BB catfished Joe - I guess it’s called “entrapment” - and for all we know, BB really spun this thing up into something gross. And obviously CB didn’t consent at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I was searching around to see if any documents were available for the case. I didn't find them but found the court is uploading the trial exhibits to their website. I haven't looked yet, but be warned, they might be graphic if they uploaded scene photos. They can be found here

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/high-profile-cases

Omg. I read the telegram conversation. I wish I hadn’t. So disturbing on many levels.

My Takeaway on the telegram conversations was that Joe wanted to make sure that he didn’t cross any boundaries with who he thought was Christine. Wanted to make sure that he arrived when he was told and left when he was told and did only things that “she” consented to.

I wonder if this will have an effect on the fetish community — like it’s a major red flag if the only comms are via messages, and the person says don’t actually confirm the intent and limits with me when we meet in person. Hopefully no one ever does this again — I can see someone setting something like this up as revenge on an ex. Consent should always be confirmed in person.

I really hope so. Anyone on that website should take this case to heart to protect themselves and ensure they don't do harm to others.

The depravity of BB is astonishing. To think something like this up. To work toward it for months. To have conversations with a stranger and know you are sentencing him to death. And then, to not just murder your wife - the mother of your child - but to make her suffer, to make her last moments on earth unbearably painful. How did he even get to that point? It's unfathomable to me. Pure pure evil.

The truth of the matter is that Joe was engaging in risky behavior. Not behavior for which he should be murdered but risky behavior none the less. Meeting sex for strangers is risky.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Where would we be 1 million pages into this topic without you to educate us?

If Joe had not agreed to this, we wouldn’t be here would we?

What you should be asking or saying is that we wouldn’t be here if Brendan didn’t plot to murder his wife in cold blood. Like a Psychopath!

Did you read the telegram? The things he was talking about were violent and horrifying. Adding in comments about boundaries doesn’t discount that he was a terrifying man. That Christine had to be subjected to any part of that is beyond awful.

Just because your life is vanilla, doesn’t mean others are too 🤷🏻‍♀️
As far as I know, he’s not accused of anything. He’s a victim. If he was terrifying, he’d be out actually r4p… people

There a lot of real estate between vanilla bean and the twisted Baskin Robbin’s 31 ways to “pretend” violently rape and violate a woman in the most painful and degrading way possible (in the telegram not gonna post here)). He’s a victim for sure but not a nice one and a bit of a victim of his own making.

There are grieving friends and family members on this board. Have some respect. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. He thought this was going to be consensual. He had no way of knowing it wasn't.

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When will the verdict come out?