FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Coates boundary process has maps including SPAs-school planning areas. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/boundary...chool-boundary-study
under 2025 are the maps https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Oak Hill is in the Coates boundary process which extends to Lake Anne in Reston. SPA map lists some SPA Forestville, Colvin Run, Forest Edge which are among those excluded from this process:
SPA 502- Holly Knoll- accesible via Route 7. North of Route 7 and west of Georgetown Pike intersection. Dranesville?
SPA 508- Herndon non town. Dranesville comprehensive review?
SPA 1111
SPA 1201- odd since it mixes 1 where you can not drive on 7 to get to a school and 1 that does.
SPA 1809-Forest Edge has a road that connects to SPA 1806 Colvin Run - no Route 7 drive to school if changed.
SPA 1209-need to drive on Route 7- currently longer to go to Colvin Run/Langley - shorter on 7 and less drive time to Forest Edge.


The first link here does not work. What was it?


I think the poster just wanted to point people to the third page of the second link, which does work and shows the SPAs (school planning areas) for schools in the Coates study.

- DP


I find it interesting that there is one tiny street in Franklin Farm (Ashvale) that is its own school planning area. This is the one street zoned to Crossfield that goes to Franklin & Chantilly, too. What's up with that street?


Kathy Smith probably lived there.
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Moving the entirety of Waples Mill from Oakton HS to Fairfax HS is a bold move and will definitely meet resistance from parents. Waples Mill is in Oakton, as is most of its catchment area. It is reasonable for Oakton families to want to send their kids to Oakton HS.


As a Waples Mill family, agree 100%

Agree 100% too. Moving Waples from Oakton HS to Fairfax will meet strong resistance from families as it makes no sense.



This PP (the one who said they are going to move Waples Mill to Oakton) is a troll, they started the other thread with a bunch of fake information, too.

You mean moving Waples Mill to Fairfax. It’s at Oakton now.
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Anonymous wrote:This does not make sense. Why would those central Oakton families moved out of Oakton to Fairfax, while Greenbair East moved from Fairfax to Oakton? If capacity is an issue, why not move those further west on Rt 50, West Ox or 286 out of Oskton?

Anonymous wrote:Waples Mill to Johnson/Fairfax somewhat makes sense. Basically an even trade if they lose Willow Springs to RSS.


Ridiculous. Waples Mill and Navy should stay at Oakton. What they should do is move the Franklin Farm people to South Lakes. Makes no sense.


I see how quick you are to throw Franklin Farm under the bus so you can stay put. You know a little bit of FF already goes to Navy, right? And some to Oak Hill on the other side of the parkway. It’s a large neighborhood so I don’t think they can just move everyone.

The PP is right that the Navy and Crossfield boundaries are a mess. I foresee this getting ugly between neighborhoods currently zoned for Oakton, just based on the people involved.


Navy needs to be rezoned to Fairfax just to piss the parents off, LOL!
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Anonymous wrote:Waples Mill is 4.4 miles from Oakton HS and 5.0 miles from Fairfax HS. Its not some crazy proposale.


It doesn’t matter where the schools are proximate to the high school but where the students live
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Anonymous wrote:so the leaked maps thread that got locked 30 mins ago:


Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.


That would mean Weyanoke and Bren Mar would still go to Holmes for 6-8 and then Lewis when the rest of Lewis would be at Key for 7-8. Holmes would be a split feeder with Annandale. And it does absolutely nothing to help Lewis with FARMs.


That would be no different than the current situation where Bren Mar Park goes to Holmes for 6-8 and then Edison when the rest of Edison is at Twain for 7-8. Or some Falls Church feeders go to Poe for 6-8 when the rest of Falls Church goes to Jackson for 7-8. And Holmes is already a split feeder with Annandale. Plus Reid wants all MS to be 6-8 anyway.

Your real concern is that it wouldn’t reduce the FARMS rate at Lewis. The only thing that would do that is moving WS or other Edison feeders there, and PP already claimed Hunt Valley would also get moved (though it doesn’t seem likely they’ll move three additional feeders into Lewis).


13? schools in the Parklawn boundary study. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Parklawn-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf
16? schools in Coates - carve out exclusions on scope map for Forestville, Forest Edge, Colvin Run. Massive transfers into Hunters Woods-98 Waples Mills grade 3 aap only https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Prior Annandale study moved Bren Mar Park to Edison instead of Lewis. Edison is a vigorous school with huge out of boundary transfers -IB to IB so STEM academy? 3 years full time as transfer?


30080 middle school total capacity
40209 grades 6+7+8.
(10,129) deficit . What are they possibly thinking? Pick at least 1 elementary in all non 6-8 middle school pyramids for a conversion? Poe+Holmes=2275 capacity. Jan 2025 enrollment with gr 6=1748. Without gr 6=1172 . Glasgow transfers?







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Anonymous wrote:Waples Mill is 4.4 miles from Oakton HS and 5.0 miles from Fairfax HS. Its not some crazy proposale.


It doesn’t matter where the schools are proximate to the high school but where the students live


+1 Most Waples Mill families live in Oakton and are closer to Oakton HS than FFx HS. 66 creates a natural boundary line, and it doesn’t make sense to make kids cross 66 to get to school.
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Moving 6th to MS is such a boondoggle AND PARENTS DON'T WANT IT.
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Anonymous wrote:Moving 6th to MS is such a boondoggle AND PARENTS DON'T WANT IT.


As far as I can tell, the driver is that Ricardy Anderson hates that her 6-8 middle schools in Mason are outliers and wants a single MS model, but they don't have space to move the 6th grade kids back to the ES in Mason.

Maybe they should have taken that money that's going towards the totally unnecessary Dunn Loring school, built another ES in Falls Church (Willston site?), and then turned Holmes, Poe, and Glasgow back into 7-8 schools. Add AAP to Holmes and Poe so that AAP kids at Frost and Glasgow return to Holmes and Poe. They'd be small MS, but that's better than disrupting everyone else in the county for the sake of uniformity and turning schools that were never designed as middle schools into 6-8 schools.

This School Board screws up every single thing it touches, without exception. I have never seen a dumber group of people tasked with the oversight of so much money.

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The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.
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Coates boundary process has maps including SPAs-school planning areas. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/boundary...chool-boundary-study
under 2025 are the maps https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Oak Hill is in the Coates boundary process which extends to Lake Anne in Reston. SPA map lists some SPA Forestville, Colvin Run, Forest Edge which are among those excluded from this process:
SPA 502- Holly Knoll- accesible via Route 7. North of Route 7 and west of Georgetown Pike intersection. Dranesville?
SPA 508- Herndon non town. Dranesville comprehensive review?
SPA 1111
SPA 1201- odd since it mixes 1 where you can not drive on 7 to get to a school and 1 that does.
SPA 1809-Forest Edge has a road that connects to SPA 1806 Colvin Run - no Route 7 drive to school if changed.
SPA 1209-need to drive on Route 7- currently longer to go to Colvin Run/Langley - shorter on 7 and less drive time to Forest Edge.


The first link here does not work. What was it?


I think the poster just wanted to point people to the third page of the second link, which does work and shows the SPAs (school planning areas) for schools in the Coates study.

- DP


I find it interesting that there is one tiny street in Franklin Farm (Ashvale) that is its own school planning area. This is the one street zoned to Crossfield that goes to Franklin & Chantilly, too. What's up with that street?


SPA 3521 ? County has 27 residences on Ashvale. That street is split between Lees Corner and Crossfield! Maybe houses were built at different times? There's an access road in the South Lakes and Langley pyramids where that happened. More residences but just odd - suspect in each case BRAC special interests could activate.
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Anonymous wrote:Moving 6th to MS is such a boondoggle AND PARENTS DON'T WANT IT.


As far as I can tell, the driver is that Ricardy Anderson hates that her 6-8 middle schools in Mason are outliers and wants a single MS model, but they don't have space to move the 6th grade kids back to the ES in Mason.

Maybe they should have taken that money that's going towards the totally unnecessary Dunn Loring school, built another ES in Falls Church (Willston site?), and then turned Holmes, Poe, and Glasgow back into 7-8 schools. Add AAP to Holmes and Poe so that AAP kids at Frost and Glasgow return to Holmes and Poe. They'd be small MS, but that's better than disrupting everyone else in the county for the sake of uniformity and turning schools that were never designed as middle schools into 6-8 schools.

This School Board screws up every single thing it touches, without exception. I have never seen a dumber group of people tasked with the oversight of so much money.



That middle school 6-8 can happen based on capacity or educational pedagoquery like what a relative calls Mastery Learning. Retired mega school district administrator and teacher. That thing is the retakes and it was a mess there like it is here. On a smaller scale of BS thee is the Dunne West Potomac only grant for Montessori.. If you can;t use a site during a comprehhensive boundary change how stupid are these people? Grants run out and FX taxpayers are left holding the bag. Low load immersion, magnet schools, any IB originally in grants?
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What happens to the secondary schools with a 6-8 model? Are we shipping 6th graders off to Hayfield, Lake Braddock, and Robinson Secondary (while other 7th and 8th graders end up in converted elementary schools)?
Anonymous
I find it interesting that there is one tiny street in Franklin Farm (Ashvale) that is its own school planning area. This is the one street zoned to Crossfield that goes to Franklin & Chantilly, too. What's up with that street?


SPA 3521 ? County has 27 residences on Ashvale. That street is split between Lees Corner and Crossfield! Maybe houses were built at different times?
I don't remember exactly, but I think one section may be part of Franklin Farm and the other is not and was built later. It is just as odd if you drive there as it looks on the map. It looks like one neighborhood.

I have no idea how it happened. Lee's Corner is much closer than Crossfield--but Crossfield is closer to other parts of Franklin Farm. The part of Franklin Farm on the other side of FFXCounty Pkwy goes to Oak Hill Elementary.
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Does the School Board have any idea of how disruptive this will be?

I understand that some things don't "look" logical, but these decisions were usually made for valid reasons. And, many of those reasons are still valid.
I live in Sully District. I read about all these things in Springfield, but have a limited idea of where these places are. One thing I know: almost everyone wants to stay where they are. The people in the poorer performing schools also want to stay where they are--they just want to take other people's kids to join theirs.

This will be so disruptive. And, I've still not heard a word about getting rid of IB. IB/AP puts a huge monkey wrench into this whole situation that makes it far more complicated.

And, I just love people on here who are so quick to pick "others" to move out of their current school or choose "others" to join their school.St

Here are some issues I have not seen given serious comment form School Board:

1.AP/IB. They are not only asking others to move, but asking them to accept a whole new curriculum.
2.Bus routes I'm guessing that this will be a nightmare.
3.Staffing: for example--if they add lots of kids to an IB school, how do they intend to address this? Don't teachers have to be given special training?
4. Language instruction varies from school to school. This is sometimes because of interest and sometimes because of teacher availability. This is an additional staffing issue.
5. Community. Not only is this going to disrupt educational instruction, etc, but it is going to divide communities and change so many things.

I hope the Board of Supervisors is paying attention to this. This is not good for Fairfax County. It is ignoring the wishes of the citizens.
Anonymous
Fairhill to Fairfax makes some sense as it touches the Fairfax boundary on the edge. 50 and Pickett near Circle tower. Those kids would no longer cross the Beltway. There have always been complaints from people in the far west about having to come to Fairfax. A huge problem with boundaries is how close Fairfax, Oakton and Woodson are to each other. From my house it's one mile walking to Fairfax and 1.5 miles walking to Oakton and and Woodson is 2.8 miles walking . I suspect this all goes back to the rapid growth and the baby boom post WWII so the eastern and Central county have too much high school capacity and the Western not enough. What a mess and the Dunn Loring Debacle makes it worse as all that housing at the ATT site could have gone to the new Blake Lane ES if that project hadn't been killed after funding it.
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