The Karen meme silences White women

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You do not need to harm all women to call someone a racist. Don’t paint a broader brush than you need to.
There is a whole problem about women in the workforce being seen as bossy unlike men. This slur is not helping that image of women.

https://www.ccl.org/articles/white-papers/bossy-whats-gender-got-to-do-with-it/

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Dp. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

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It clearly doesn't, since we have so many new examples.

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Karens going ham in this thread

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By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

As this thread has amply demonstrated, any assertiveness by a middle-aged white women is apparently Karen behavior.

Use gender-neutral language. Call a racist a racist. Call a jerk a jerk. But stop tarring all middle-aged white women with the bad behavior of a few.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

But pp is saying that calling all middle-aged white women Karens is her way (realistic or not) of getting them to empathize with minorities. And others are saying you're wrong, that all middle-aged white women who try to fix something are Karens.

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Anonymous wrote:Karens going ham in this thread

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For real! I’m a middle aged white woman who isn’t offended at all. But I also have the critical thinking ability to realize that not all middle aged white women are, “Karens” - in fact, plenty are not. It’s only the ones that act that way. I really don’t get what all the fuss is about.

Stop calling the police/ manager/ boss for stupid, inconsequential bs “issues” and you’ll cease to be acting like a Karen. Try to use sound, judgment that isn’t based in conscious or unconscious biases while you’re at it. For example, if someone is robbing me, it’s ok to call the cops. If I see a black man jogging in my neighborhood, it’s not. Honestly, this shouldn’t be so hard.

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By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

As this thread has amply demonstrated, any assertiveness by a middle-aged white women is apparently Karen behavior.

Use gender-neutral language. Call a racist a racist. Call a jerk a jerk. But stop tarring all middle-aged white women with the bad behavior of a few.

Then you haven’t read every post. Just continue to pick and choose which post upsets you the most. If you need an example of a Karen, look at Amy Cooper and the two women in the videos posted in the other off topics thread. If you act like any of those women, then Karen will be an insult.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

But pp is saying that calling all middle-aged white women Karens is her way (realistic or not) of getting them to empathize with minorities. And others are saying you're wrong, that all middle-aged white women who try to fix something are Karens.

That’s one person.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who don't understand the complete and utter lack of sympathy black women have on this subject: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Speaking out against sexism is not what the article is referring to.

The article is about how white women wield their white privilege in a way that is different than white men, and in a way that gives them an easy way to deny that is what they are doing. Every woman has a story or two at least about being on the receiving end of this. You're being called out for it now, and you're all throwing a collective hissy fit.

I know I’m not a Karen but I think all women are hurt by the term. You’re welcome - I’ll be like the military and stick up for you, no matter your beliefs.

You would be wrong. Plenty of woman have said they are not hurt by the term. They have also said they don’t find it racist.

A lot of women said they don’t like it and find it misogynistic. Don’t gaslight us. Listen to what people are saying.

Are you? Bc there have been numerous post (even on this thread) of people saying they don’t find the term Karen offensive or racist. Oh and shocking, there have been numerous articles too. So gaslight yourself. It’s what you do best.

DP. As another poster said, if some find it offensive, then it's best to listen and not use it.

In fact, many here say they think it's offensive.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I think a lot of think you all need to be offended. It's the only thing that will shake you from your comfort and complacency. I think for a lot of you this is the very first time you've experienced this kind of discomfort, and it's why you're losing it. My hope is that the result of feeling this discomfort is greater empathy for those who have no choice but to live in the same discomfort you feel right now, every day of their lives, facing much harsher consequences than being called Karen. You have no real clue what actually being silenced feels like, but if this gets you closer to understanding, it's worth it.

You need to stop imagining you think other people are thinking and feeling. I'm the only woman in my office. I was the only woman in my grad school department. (I work in a male-dominated field, obviously.) I've had plenty of chances to be offended, including fighting off grabby guys.

Do you seriously think calling people "Karen" will spark empathy? Is that why you've been here for 38 pages insisting that "Karen" is a good term for all middle-aged women? You need to rethink this. Sparking empathy is rarely done through confrontation. You're never going to set middle-aged white women back on their heels to the extent other groups have lived for decades. You're just going to piss them off and they won't even make the link to institutionalized racism. This is stupid.

I haven't been here for 38 pages, but please, continue telling me what I need to do.

By all means, keep insulting people as a way of getting them to understand you. Just don't be surprised when you fail.

Or, you can listen, as you'd like to be listened to. And you can stop lecturing strangers about how they've never experienced discomfort. I doubt many white women (except those who've been abused) have experienced discomfort the way minorities in this country have for generations. But to argue that you calling them "Karen" is the "first time" they've experienced ANY discomfort is presumptuous and deluded.

But I don't expect you to pay any attention. You want to insult white women by calling them Karens. OK, you do you.

Do. Not all white women. Just the ones who act like Karen. If you don’t act like Karen then it isn’t an insult.

But pp is saying that calling all middle-aged white women Karens is her way (realistic or not) of getting them to empathize with minorities. And others are saying you're wrong, that all middle-aged white women who try to fix something are Karens.

I didn't say that, but you're hearing what you want to hear. I can't help you.