[Bethesda cyclist] Do you know this man?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

C’mon, really. Is this really about his aggressive behavior or the fact that the others were wall-papering the trail with BLM flyers? There’s a large degree of political pandering when this case becomes a priority of the state AG.

Wait, are you suggesting the AG doesn’t usually get involved personally in second degree assault cases? I’m sure the involvement of BLM posters had no impact on this anomaly.

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The only people that claim cyclists don't suck at being people are cyclists.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no way this guy hasn't been ID'd by now. Someone is protecting him and they should know better at this point because it won't end well for to protectors either.

Not really. The problem is that there are several white males that fit the profile and the photo. The police have been investigating and have ruled out several suspects. You can see details of some of the individuals who were interviewed and cleared.

They have another strong suspect currently being investigated.

https://patch.com/maryland/bethesda-chevychase/biker-who-attacked-students-may-have-been-identified-police-say

The problem is that even when there is a good suspect, the police still have to investigate the person and make sure they have a case against the person.

Um, there is a video.

DP. They need to make sure they have the right person. They need to try to gather other evidence about what happened before the video and also what happened at the end of the video and after.

If they can’t get other evidence tying the suspect to the bike (Strava, other pics of him with the bike, etc), it won’t be as much of a slam dunk case as you think.

In fact, the Twitter vigilantes who identified other bikers who looked like the perpetrator have handed the real person an opportunity to create reasonable doubt.

I’m not a criminal lawyer but I’m pretty sure from watching the Brady Bunch that you can’t use random people’s twitter posts as a defense.

And I am sure from law school and a lengthy legal career that the identification of other suspects is helpful to the defense. If raised by the defense, the prosecutors will have to explain why those people were excluded. Depending on how airtight the case is that it couldn’t have been that person, you may have enough to create reasonable doubt. You only need one juror to not buy into the case.

Again, I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that any of the Twitter suspects will be easily ruled out because they won’t have the distinctive body type of the attacker. (Sorry, alleged attacker.)

They were similar enough to have people convinced they were the right person. They were close enough that the cops interviewed them. Exactly how much they will help will depend on a number of things, but it is helpful for the defense to have something to point to, especially in a case where there is video - so it will focus less on what happened and more on is it the right person.

Read carefully. The people on Twitter only saw the 2 alleged suspects faces. They did not see their bodies. The cyclist had a very distinctive body. Why do you think the first guy was cleared so quickly. I can’t continue discussing this because it’s making me more dumb.

No, dumb was you repeatedly pointing out that you were not a lawyer and then repeatedly commenting on how things would play out in a criminal trial.

Hmm, now what have you got to say? Where is his criminal defense lawyer arguing about all of the other suspects?

I would say he made a very poor strategic decision to admit guilt right away. This is not a case where an apology is going to make it go away. If he had let the process play out more, which doesn’t necessarily mean take it to trial (very little actually goes to trial), he probably would have fairer better.

They removed evidence from his home, likely the bike, the clothing he was wearing, his phone which he used to film the kids allegedly, GPS, and the helmet. The other guys were interviewed, don't have those things, likely have proof about where they were at the time of the assault (likely on their phones too), and actually don't look much like him anyway.

Even if he wouldn’t have been able to sow some doubt (which doesn’t require a lot) by pointing to other suspects, he gains very little by admitting guilt immediately, unless there is already a deal in place.

He needed time to call PR people, to save his sorry arse the best he could - that is what people who are wrong do.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no way this guy hasn't been ID'd by now. Someone is protecting him and they should know better at this point because it won't end well for to protectors either.

Not really. The problem is that there are several white males that fit the profile and the photo. The police have been investigating and have ruled out several suspects. You can see details of some of the individuals who were interviewed and cleared.

They have another strong suspect currently being investigated.

https://patch.com/maryland/bethesda-chevychase/biker-who-attacked-students-may-have-been-identified-police-say

The problem is that even when there is a good suspect, the police still have to investigate the person and make sure they have a case against the person.

Um, there is a video.

DP. They need to make sure they have the right person. They need to try to gather other evidence about what happened before the video and also what happened at the end of the video and after.

If they can’t get other evidence tying the suspect to the bike (Strava, other pics of him with the bike, etc), it won’t be as much of a slam dunk case as you think.

In fact, the Twitter vigilantes who identified other bikers who looked like the perpetrator have handed the real person an opportunity to create reasonable doubt.

I’m not a criminal lawyer but I’m pretty sure from watching the Brady Bunch that you can’t use random people’s twitter posts as a defense.

And I am sure from law school and a lengthy legal career that the identification of other suspects is helpful to the defense. If raised by the defense, the prosecutors will have to explain why those people were excluded. Depending on how airtight the case is that it couldn’t have been that person, you may have enough to create reasonable doubt. You only need one juror to not buy into the case.

Again, I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that any of the Twitter suspects will be easily ruled out because they won’t have the distinctive body type of the attacker. (Sorry, alleged attacker.)

They were similar enough to have people convinced they were the right person. They were close enough that the cops interviewed them. Exactly how much they will help will depend on a number of things, but it is helpful for the defense to have something to point to, especially in a case where there is video - so it will focus less on what happened and more on is it the right person.

Read carefully. The people on Twitter only saw the 2 alleged suspects faces. They did not see their bodies. The cyclist had a very distinctive body. Why do you think the first guy was cleared so quickly. I can’t continue discussing this because it’s making me more dumb.

No, dumb was you repeatedly pointing out that you were not a lawyer and then repeatedly commenting on how things would play out in a criminal trial.

Hmm, now what have you got to say? Where is his criminal defense lawyer arguing about all of the other suspects?

I would say he made a very poor strategic decision to admit guilt right away. This is not a case where an apology is going to make it go away. If he had let the process play out more, which doesn’t necessarily mean take it to trial (very little actually goes to trial), he probably would have fairer better.

Hows it going to be worse? He should get some kind of diversion program. He’s been named and shamed and apologized. What more could be given to him?

Maybe 200 hours of community service at an inner city youth center would do him some good!

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His own personal hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

C’mon, really. Is this really about his aggressive behavior or the fact that the others were wall-papering the trail with BLM flyers? There’s a large degree of political pandering when this case becomes a priority of the state AG.

Wait, are you suggesting the AG doesn’t usually get involved personally in second degree assault cases? I’m sure the involvement of BLM posters had no impact on this anomaly.

The late Sen. Ted Kennedy got a two months’ suspended sentence for leaving the scene of a homicide where a young woman died in a car that he had been driving. Care to put odds on what this guy will get, for acting like a jerk on the trail?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

All. For. Show.

This is how his type rolls.

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

He must not have kids. My father is a mean old fart, but he would never approach, threaten or put his hands on somebody else's kids.

He apparently has 3 kids. I still can’t wrap my head around the instinct to dominate someone so much smaller than you. The tiny teen girl must have ended up with bruises all over her arm from where he wrestled the tape off of it. I don’t think there would have been nearly the same amount of outrage over this crime if we didn’t all feel so protective of that girl/young woman.

I have seen no reports that she suffered injuries of any kind and his actions, while completely out of line, did not look to me like it would have caused bruising like you described. Injury to the guy he apparently knocked over would have been more likely, but if there were any injury I assume it would have been widely reported.

The teen recording the video ended up with a cut on his calf from where the bike struck him. He posted a pic on Reddit. I disagree re the arm bruising. If you look at the video, the large tape roll was around her arm, and he grabbed her arm quite roughly and pulled hard at the tape while she resisted. The teen who posted on Reddit said both his friends valued their privacy and didn’t want to be IDd, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect any updates if the small one had bruises or scrapes.

I am also not sure if bruising would change the second degree assault charge to something more serious; presumably not, since the boy was injured and the assault on him was classified as second degree as well.

Should it matter if they have any injuries? My God, look at the rage on the guy! Plus, he came back onto the trail for the sole purpose of doing what he did - awful excuse for a human being. Awful.

[Anonymous]

This guy got all up in my face yelling and started pushing me over a parking spot at Bethesda Trader Joe’s last year. Can’t wait for justice to be served

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

All. For. Show.

This is how his type rolls.

Wouldn’t that be how pretty much anyone would roll?

I’m in court plenty and pretty much every defendant of every background is remorseful, truthfully or not, when admitting guilt.

This isn’t unique to white middle age men.

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

He must not have kids. My father is a mean old fart, but he would never approach, threaten or put his hands on somebody else's kids.

He apparently has 3 kids. I still can’t wrap my head around the instinct to dominate someone so much smaller than you. The tiny teen girl must have ended up with bruises all over her arm from where he wrestled the tape off of it. I don’t think there would have been nearly the same amount of outrage over this crime if we didn’t all feel so protective of that girl/young woman.

I have seen no reports that she suffered injuries of any kind and his actions, while completely out of line, did not look to me like it would have caused bruising like you described. Injury to the guy he apparently knocked over would have been more likely, but if there were any injury I assume it would have been widely reported.

The teen recording the video ended up with a cut on his calf from where the bike struck him. He posted a pic on Reddit. I disagree re the arm bruising. If you look at the video, the large tape roll was around her arm, and he grabbed her arm quite roughly and pulled hard at the tape while she resisted. The teen who posted on Reddit said both his friends valued their privacy and didn’t want to be IDd, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect any updates if the small one had bruises or scrapes.

I am also not sure if bruising would change the second degree assault charge to something more serious; presumably not, since the boy was injured and the assault on him was classified as second degree as well.

Should it matter if they have any injuries? My God, look at the rage on the guy! Plus, he came back onto the trail for the sole purpose of doing what he did - awful excuse for a human being. Awful.

Ask yourself if your “awfulness” meter would register so high if the young people had been plastering posters praising Trump for his tough response ? Hmmm.

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

He must not have kids. My father is a mean old fart, but he would never approach, threaten or put his hands on somebody else's kids.

He apparently has 3 kids. I still can’t wrap my head around the instinct to dominate someone so much smaller than you. The tiny teen girl must have ended up with bruises all over her arm from where he wrestled the tape off of it. I don’t think there would have been nearly the same amount of outrage over this crime if we didn’t all feel so protective of that girl/young woman.

I have seen no reports that she suffered injuries of any kind and his actions, while completely out of line, did not look to me like it would have caused bruising like you described. Injury to the guy he apparently knocked over would have been more likely, but if there were any injury I assume it would have been widely reported.

The teen recording the video ended up with a cut on his calf from where the bike struck him. He posted a pic on Reddit. I disagree re the arm bruising. If you look at the video, the large tape roll was around her arm, and he grabbed her arm quite roughly and pulled hard at the tape while she resisted. The teen who posted on Reddit said both his friends valued their privacy and didn’t want to be IDd, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect any updates if the small one had bruises or scrapes.

I am also not sure if bruising would change the second degree assault charge to something more serious; presumably not, since the boy was injured and the assault on him was classified as second degree as well.

Should it matter if they have any injuries? My God, look at the rage on the guy! Plus, he came back onto the trail for the sole purpose of doing what he did - awful excuse for a human being. Awful.

Ask yourself if your “awfulness” meter would register so high if the young people had been plastering posters praising Trump for his tough response ? Hmmm.

Say what? Jackass wouldn't have attacked the teens if the flyers were pro Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Triggered...



is there a white male verson of the k@r3n? if so this guy is it.... of course he does looks like the T1000 from terminator 2




its skynet. its the start of judgement day... screw the murder hornets. we are boned

I had the exact same image of the terminator cop. The scarier reality he’s a trump supporter on roid rage.

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

He must not have kids. My father is a mean old fart, but he would never approach, threaten or put his hands on somebody else's kids.

He apparently has 3 kids. I still can’t wrap my head around the instinct to dominate someone so much smaller than you. The tiny teen girl must have ended up with bruises all over her arm from where he wrestled the tape off of it. I don’t think there would have been nearly the same amount of outrage over this crime if we didn’t all feel so protective of that girl/young woman.

I have seen no reports that she suffered injuries of any kind and his actions, while completely out of line, did not look to me like it would have caused bruising like you described. Injury to the guy he apparently knocked over would have been more likely, but if there were any injury I assume it would have been widely reported.

The teen recording the video ended up with a cut on his calf from where the bike struck him. He posted a pic on Reddit. I disagree re the arm bruising. If you look at the video, the large tape roll was around her arm, and he grabbed her arm quite roughly and pulled hard at the tape while she resisted. The teen who posted on Reddit said both his friends valued their privacy and didn’t want to be IDd, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect any updates if the small one had bruises or scrapes.

I am also not sure if bruising would change the second degree assault charge to something more serious; presumably not, since the boy was injured and the assault on him was classified as second degree as well.

Should it matter if they have any injuries? My God, look at the rage on the guy! Plus, he came back onto the trail for the sole purpose of doing what he did - awful excuse for a human being. Awful.

Ask yourself if your “awfulness” meter would register so high if the young people had been plastering posters praising Trump for his tough response ? Hmmm.

NP. On no planet would I assault teens, no matter how misguided I thought they were.

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Anonymous wrote:The apology is bunk. No one just snaps and attacks, rages like this out of the blue for the first time ever. I'm sure he's had many raging encounters - on the trail, on the road, with people he knows... this is just the first time he got caught and is being held accountable.

And now he realizes he needs help. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Is no one in your world entitled to a second chance?

He must not have kids. My father is a mean old fart, but he would never approach, threaten or put his hands on somebody else's kids.

He apparently has 3 kids. I still can’t wrap my head around the instinct to dominate someone so much smaller than you. The tiny teen girl must have ended up with bruises all over her arm from where he wrestled the tape off of it. I don’t think there would have been nearly the same amount of outrage over this crime if we didn’t all feel so protective of that girl/young woman.

I have seen no reports that she suffered injuries of any kind and his actions, while completely out of line, did not look to me like it would have caused bruising like you described. Injury to the guy he apparently knocked over would have been more likely, but if there were any injury I assume it would have been widely reported.

The teen recording the video ended up with a cut on his calf from where the bike struck him. He posted a pic on Reddit. I disagree re the arm bruising. If you look at the video, the large tape roll was around her arm, and he grabbed her arm quite roughly and pulled hard at the tape while she resisted. The teen who posted on Reddit said both his friends valued their privacy and didn’t want to be IDd, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect any updates if the small one had bruises or scrapes.

I am also not sure if bruising would change the second degree assault charge to something more serious; presumably not, since the boy was injured and the assault on him was classified as second degree as well.

Should it matter if they have any injuries? My God, look at the rage on the guy! Plus, he came back onto the trail for the sole purpose of doing what he did - awful excuse for a human being. Awful.

Ask yourself if your “awfulness” meter would register so high if the young people had been plastering posters praising Trump for his tough response ? Hmmm.

First, you don’t know that. Maybe he is a simply a biker speed demon as which was pissed off that they were lollying about on the trail. Or maybe he doesn’t like litter. Or maybe some other jerk who worships “the Movement” would have taken umbrage at such blatant support for the President infringing on his or her “safe space.”

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Anonymous wrote:He grabbed the girl. That's assault. The ramming of the bike against the other kid is assault. Anthony Brennan III (can we dub him "Tony Three Sticks" to make this a little more fun?) is in trouble with the power system he so righteously defended.

Separate question: what are the chances he's a Trump supporter?

Tony three sticks! That’s his street name.

I hope he truly gets help for his obvious anger management issues. I don’t hold out hope that he won’t vote for trump again.

You may not have meant it but , by pushing this anger issues angle , you're giving the guy a sort of benefit of the doubt that's unacceptable. He's a thug, call him for what he truly is and stop pivoting to the 'anger issues' excuse that seem to be often reserved for middle aged Caucasian males. Enough !