Greendland - why not?

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Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

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Anonymous wrote:There could be a silver lining to Trump's deciding he wants Greenland. If trump persists in his attempt to steal Greenland then I believe there are enough Republicans in the House to impeach and enough votes in the Senate to convict.

For this reason, Trump will not invade Greenland.

I think this is correct. There are enough Republicans in the Senate who recognize that invading a NATO country and taking Greenland by force will be catastrophic for the US - from losing all our bases in Europe to the end of the US dollar as the reserve currency to the collapse of the American economy because no one is buying our $39 trillion of debt and on and on. 80 years of post-WWII American dominance would disappear in a heartbeat. And for what? The US is welcome to put more bases and air defense in Greenland right now.

Furthermore, if Trump does order the invasion of Greenland, I suspect there are very few senior military officers who will actually obey that order. Every American officer knows how insane this is and how contrary it is to U.S. national security.

Given all that, Trump is almost certainly to be impeached if he gives the order to take Greenland. Not even conservatives support such stupidity.

But the fact that Trump is pushing this so hard raises very serious questions. Trump is either far too deranged and demented to be president, or he is in fact a Russian agent.

No. You made a great case for why the US shouldn't grab Greenland, but you're wrong on this. The GOP has not effectively restrained Trump on anything of importance so far. There is no reason to believe they will do so now. There is no reason to believe anyone in the Army will resist. You will notice that individuals RESIGN rather than obey orders. There cannot be enough resignations for an invasion not to take place, if one is ordered. There are too many people who will just blindly follow regardless of what the orders are: remember ICE and how it operates. Remember the "normal" Germans who did what they were told.

Our hope is that with sufficient global and domestic outcry, this White House will back off.

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Anonymous wrote:There could be a silver lining to Trump's deciding he wants Greenland. If trump persists in his attempt to steal Greenland then I believe there are enough Republicans in the House to impeach and enough votes in the Senate to convict.

For this reason, Trump will not invade Greenland.

I think this is correct. There are enough Republicans in the Senate who recognize that invading a NATO country and taking Greenland by force will be catastrophic for the US - from losing all our bases in Europe to the end of the US dollar as the reserve currency to the collapse of the American economy because no one is buying our $39 trillion of debt and on and on. 80 years of post-WWII American dominance would disappear in a heartbeat. And for what? The US is welcome to put more bases and air defense in Greenland right now.

Furthermore, if Trump does order the invasion of Greenland, I suspect there are very few senior military officers who will actually obey that order. Every American officer knows how insane this is and how contrary it is to U.S. national security.

Given all that, Trump is almost certainly to be impeached if he gives the order to take Greenland. Not even conservatives support such stupidity.

But the fact that Trump is pushing this so hard raises very serious questions. Trump is either far too deranged and demented to be president, or he is in fact a Russian agent.

No. You made a great case for why the US shouldn't grab Greenland, but you're wrong on this. The GOP has not effectively restrained Trump on anything of importance so far. There is no reason to believe they will do so now. There is no reason to believe anyone in the Army will resist. You will notice that individuals RESIGN rather than obey orders. There cannot be enough resignations for an invasion not to take place, if one is ordered. There are too many people who will just blindly follow regardless of what the orders are: remember ICE and how it operates. Remember the "normal" Germans who did what they were told.

Our hope is that with sufficient global and domestic outcry, this White House will back off.

The US military will be killing British troops. Wonder how the US will resupply Greenland without ice breakers.

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Anonymous wrote:There could be a silver lining to Trump's deciding he wants Greenland. If trump persists in his attempt to steal Greenland then I believe there are enough Republicans in the House to impeach and enough votes in the Senate to convict.

For this reason, Trump will not invade Greenland.

I think this is correct. There are enough Republicans in the Senate who recognize that invading a NATO country and taking Greenland by force will be catastrophic for the US - from losing all our bases in Europe to the end of the US dollar as the reserve currency to the collapse of the American economy because no one is buying our $39 trillion of debt and on and on. 80 years of post-WWII American dominance would disappear in a heartbeat. And for what? The US is welcome to put more bases and air defense in Greenland right now.

Furthermore, if Trump does order the invasion of Greenland, I suspect there are very few senior military officers who will actually obey that order. Every American officer knows how insane this is and how contrary it is to U.S. national security.

Given all that, Trump is almost certainly to be impeached if he gives the order to take Greenland. Not even conservatives support such stupidity.

But the fact that Trump is pushing this so hard raises very serious questions. Trump is either far too deranged and demented to be president, or he is in fact a Russian agent.

His mind is mush. Riddled with general paresis. his brain is damaged and he is in a state of profound mental decline, personality changes, memory loss, delusions of grandeur--he thinks he rules by Divine Right. It isn't impaired judgment because there is no rational thought to anything he says or does.

Neither his cabinet nor Congress will invoke the 25th amendment. I wonder if we citizens can find a loophole and declare a Citizen's arrest and invoke the 25th amendment!

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Anonymous wrote:Citizens of Greenland have more freedom and rights than we do in the US. No one would voluntarily give up any of that for the crap of the US.

They have free healthcare, generous maternity and paternity leave, free education, women’s rights, generous vacation required by law, etc.

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If the Europeans weren't still racist, they'd probably already have jumped ship to China. The only things that America offers at this point are warm beaches and watered down beer. Tourists are safer in China than America.

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Europeans no longer trust US not to attack them. The horses are out the door. The Europeans look at the US and there is no push back against Trump within the US. Trump is not the problem. He is just the head of the mob.

America is no longer the leader of the free world. We are not in that group anymore. There is the free world and China, Russia, Norh Korea, Cuba and the US.

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Do you think the US military will take prisoners or just kill everyone there?

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Anonymous wrote:If the Europeans weren't still racist, they'd probably already have jumped ship to China. The only things that America offers at this point are warm beaches and watered down beer. Tourists are safer in China than America.

What are you talking about? America makes the best beer in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Trump says on Feb 1 he will impose a 10% tariff “on any and all goods sent” to US from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, UK, Netherlands, & Finland, increasing to 25% June 1 “until such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland.”

“I will continue to illegally raise taxes on the American people until the NATO alliance collapses”

Yes, as multiple pundits have said, it’s hard to imagine a less popular policy. And yet there are people here defending it who must have the red dye from their hats leaking into their brains.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

As it turns out, they were right about eveything.

I won't weigh in either way. The point is, you're totally wrong that we have great relationships with these nations and that Trump is suddenly threatening the international balance of power. Things have been deteriorating with them for decades now, and we cannot rely on them to do basically anything. They won't even sit there and shut up while we fight for their oil- they actively sabotage our efforts to protect Europe. When China and Russia come for Greenland, Denmark will not protect it. The 13 soldiers that Germany rounded up and deployed to Greenland also will not be able to protect it. You need to grow up and realize that Greenland is too hot a commodity to continue to be held by a nation as weak as Denmark and decide whose side your on: Russia, China, or the US.

Your Fox News BS is irritating. China and Russia are not coming for Greenland. We aren’t fighting for “their” oil. EU countries are now ponying up the requisite percent of GDP for NATO support.

And this started when Obama was president and phased in over the ensuing decade.

Trump is just irritated because he wants each European country to put 2% of its GDP into his own pocket.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think the US military will take prisoners or just kill everyone there?

They will not take prisoners. There are no rules of engagement. Most likely they will blow up the power supply and force the population out in to the ice fields. The NATO troops will just be shot similar to what ICE does.

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Our Dear Demented Leader who wants a Peace Prize causes protests in Greenland. GREENLAND, folks. Of all places. You can’t make this shit up. Americans with little understanding of the world did this.

A large part of our population just doesn’t get it. Not surprised. We’re still a young country, mere preschoolers next to the rest of the countries of the world who understand peace and diplomacy are better than bringing back the days of Ghengis Khan.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

You are an idiot. It is amazing that people as ignorant as you actually say this stuff out loud!

Checkout US overseas bases and see which ones are in NATO members countries. Look at shared bases. The US will be kicked out of everyone of these bases and countries. No more tanker fleet, no use of any European airspace or overseas territory. Losing Diego Garcia will really hurt. With out Turkey and Italy’s base you can not defend Israel. You can attack Iran because of the refueling assets being most NATO.

The US will not able to project power. We will be out of Europe, the pacific, five eyes, Canadian airspace will be off limits, etc. The US will have to increase defense spending by 5 times and still not have the same abilities we have now. We will not be able to supply our fleet or use port facilities.

NATO countries have a GDP of 27 trillion. The US GDP is 29 trillion. Now look at how much the NATO members spend - 500 billion a year. This is just for European defense. The US spends 825 billion. The European will drop US defense contracts. This will increase procurement and maintenance cost by 2-4 times.

Good grief you have no clue. This is a disaster.

If you really think that Europeans are willing to shift the entire balance of power in the world to defend the current administrative control of Greenland (!), you're a moron.