2028 Girls Lacrosse

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That seems like something a lax dad would do.

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

2028 NL > 2028 BLC.

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Anonymous wrote:You have too much time on your hands and you are too invested. find a hobby or maybe a boyfriend?

I'll invoke what the PP said / requested, which seems relevant here: "Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding."

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

Bro... That's pretty extensive analysis. Shows Pride is on track as usual, among other things. Are you the same poster, or do we have two willing to wade through the historical for us?

One issue, if we know 2028 local players who were at BLC went to Hero's, and who were at Stars and Pride went to M&D, are those 6-10 girls, if they were back on Stars or MOCO teams enough to have brought the local area clubs 2028s back in line, or close to historical averages?

Also, I would offer that the true assessment will be whether the 2028s can match Capital's trajectory for the 2025s-27s. IF so, perhaps the rankings analysis above missed some intangibles, or girls playing in Baltimore returned, or there was a coaching factor.

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Anonymous wrote:You have too much time on your hands and you are too invested. find a hobby or maybe a boyfriend?

Yet you didn't challenge this poster who provided this deep dive ...

You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

Or this one who wrote ...

Respectfully, you may want to check the data again on the top 20 teams. Please let us know if you have a better source for current and historic rankings than usclublax.com. That said, you were right, I was way off. BLC has averaged a ranking of 103.8, not 60s-80, in their 8th grade year over the 5 teams where we have data.

--For the 2025s, you are right, I was too optimistic. BLC 2025 Blue finished their 8th Grade season ('20-'21) ranked 221st. That's 221, not 21. I misread their US Club Lax "rating" (76) as their "ranking", as I didn't expect them to be that far down.

--BLC 2026 Blue finished their 8th Grade season ('21-'22) ranked 77th.

--The very strong 2027 team was acknowledged in the original post (finished 7th in '22-'23). Some great players in that group.

--2028s are currently ranked 201.

--2029s not even in 8th grade yet, but are currently ranked 20th.

Averaging the ratings--2025 (221); 2026 (77); 2027 (7); 2028 (201); and for fairness 2029 (20)--results in an average of 103.8.

**No data is available on the 2024s for their last year in '19-'20.

You see the double standard, right ...? A simple "you make a valid point" would have done just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:You have too much time on your hands and you are too invested. find a hobby or maybe a boyfriend?

Yet you didn't challenge this poster who provided this deep dive ...

You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

Or this one who wrote ...

Respectfully, you may want to check the data again on the top 20 teams. Please let us know if you have a better source for current and historic rankings than usclublax.com. That said, you were right, I was way off. BLC has averaged a ranking of 103.8, not 60s-80, in their 8th grade year over the 5 teams where we have data.

--For the 2025s, you are right, I was too optimistic. BLC 2025 Blue finished their 8th Grade season ('20-'21) ranked 221st. That's 221, not 21. I misread their US Club Lax "rating" (76) as their "ranking", as I didn't expect them to be that far down.

--BLC 2026 Blue finished their 8th Grade season ('21-'22) ranked 77th.

--The very strong 2027 team was acknowledged in the original post (finished 7th in '22-'23). Some great players in that group.

--2028s are currently ranked 201.

--2029s not even in 8th grade yet, but are currently ranked 20th.

Averaging the ratings--2025 (221); 2026 (77); 2027 (7); 2028 (201); and for fairness 2029 (20)--results in an average of 103.8.

**No data is available on the 2024s for their last year in '19-'20.

You see the double standard, right ...? A simple "you make a valid point" would have done just fine.

Deep diver--from one to another--you are all good. Fist bump. Ignore the troll who was happy to have the information, but decided to throw in a smart remark at the same time.

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Does Pride have any interesting games/scrimmages coming up? Also, does anyone know if the current red team has any spots for a mid-season transfer?

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they are DC based?! DMV girls play there so it should be discussed.

Not sure why there are people who care so much about talking about "Baltimore" clubs here! Every parent with a strong player has at one point considered the drive, therefore it is clearly noteworthy here on this forum.

Is the answer no, there are no local 2028 teams that are highly ranked?

I appreciate that you are probably trolling, but if not and are genuinely curious then this is the place for all of your rankings questions -> https://www.usclublax.com/rank?v=2028&alpha=N&y=2023.

Updated link - https://www.usclublax.com/rankings?year=2023

Thanks. It looks like other years currently have top 20 rankings for local teams. It’s a bummer so many talented 2028s moved to Baltimore rather than concentrate on one team locally.

I can't believe I am having to defend Pride here, but as someone noted, Pride is ranked #14 and is a local team.

Interesting, thanks. So Pride is where the 2028 talent is locally concentrated then. It doesn’t look like Pride is as highly ranked for other years but they must have the top local 2028s given the huge gap in rankings.

You either are very new or trolling. Assuming the former, and being friendly, the concentration of local talent occurs in 9th grade at Capital Lacrosse Club. You will note that Capital is #1 for 2025s; #9 for 2026s; and #16 for their new team, the 2027s.

Pride is generally the top local club in rankings through 8th grade (exceptions including 2027 BLC, and 2026 Stars), and the club average a top 15 ranking until 9th grade when many top area players consolidate at Capital. St James-owned Stars is typically the 2nd highest ranked local club through 8th grade (top 40 every year). The MOCO teams, BLC, NL, and MC Elite were traditionally in the high 60s to 80s in the rankings, but BLC and MC Elite has dropped off this year. Hope that helps.

I’m sorry, I have a 2031 girl and I am new to this. Trying to understand what happens next so this is all very interesting. I don’t think the rankings of the clubs are very consistent as you get younger but maybe it’s too soon to tell, or maybe a bunch of our teammates will be playing in Baltimore within the next few years. In any case thank you for the information.

If I am a 2031 parent of a strong player in NoVa I am putting them in either Pride or Stars. Pride seems to develop great girls that make Capital at 9th grade. Stars has a Capital connection and girls that you don't think should make it sometimes do if they come from Stars.

If you are from MoCo I am putting them in BLC and seeing how they do, meaning if they are performing well and start ranking in top 25...good...stay and try out for Capital in 9th. If not go to Hero's ASAP. And no I am not the ex BLC Hero's parent. I have high school girls that thankfully made Capital but I still wonder if going to Heros in middle school would have developed them better by now. Playing with the same girls etc from middle school thru high school has benefits.

To be honest, I would stay away from pride and stars. They don’t develop players like they should. The younger levels are not being taught well and there doesn’t seem to be a cohesive plan/structure to develop players. Much of what you see is kids doing a lot on their own. If it were me I would go to blc. They seem to be doing a better job at teaching lacrosse concepts.

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

Bro... That's pretty extensive analysis. Shows Pride is on track as usual, among other things. Are you the same poster, or do we have two willing to wade through the historical for us?

One issue, if we know 2028 local players who were at BLC went to Hero's, and who were at Stars and Pride went to M&D, are those 6-10 girls, if they were back on Stars or MOCO teams enough to have brought the local area clubs 2028s back in line, or close to historical averages?

Also, I would offer that the true assessment will be whether the 2028s can match Capital's trajectory for the 2025s-27s. IF so, perhaps the rankings analysis above missed some intangibles, or girls playing in Baltimore returned, or there was a coaching factor.

Even if there were ten of the strongest 28 DMV players on MD teams right now (there are fewer than that), and all of them came back, that would average ~three players per each DMV team. Unless each is a Charlotte North prodigy none of us has heard about, they wouldn’t dramatically dent the 2.2X delta that exists when compared against the 26s, the 3X delta v the 27s, and the 3.8X delta v the 29s. The talent for the 28s is just off, and the stats seem to bear this out.

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Many of you on this forum are scary obsessed with girls lacrosse. Very scary.

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

Bro... That's pretty extensive analysis. Shows Pride is on track as usual, among other things. Are you the same poster, or do we have two willing to wade through the historical for us?

One issue, if we know 2028 local players who were at BLC went to Hero's, and who were at Stars and Pride went to M&D, are those 6-10 girls, if they were back on Stars or MOCO teams enough to have brought the local area clubs 2028s back in line, or close to historical averages?

Also, I would offer that the true assessment will be whether the 2028s can match Capital's trajectory for the 2025s-27s. IF so, perhaps the rankings analysis above missed some intangibles, or girls playing in Baltimore returned, or there was a coaching factor.

Even if there were ten of the strongest 28 DMV players on MD teams right now (there are fewer than that), and all of them came back, that would average ~three players per each DMV team. Unless each is a Charlotte North prodigy none of us has heard about, they wouldn’t dramatically dent the 2.2X delta that exists when compared against the 26s, the 3X delta v the 27s, and the 3.8X delta v the 29s. The talent for the 28s is just off, and the stats seem to bear this out.

Ten of the strongest 28 DMV players on MD teams moving to BLC would instantly make them a good team. Also, BLC is not even close to being the third best 2028 DMV team. Your analysis is terribly flawed.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Pride have any interesting games/scrimmages coming up? Also, does anyone know if the current red team has any spots for a mid-season transfer?

No interesting games until NGLL in March. Pride and Stars play a couple of times at St James next month. Not sure about spaces.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Pride have any interesting games/scrimmages coming up? Also, does anyone know if the current red team has any spots for a mid-season transfer?

No interesting games until NGLL in March. Pride and Stars play a couple of times at St James next month. Not sure about spaces.

Just to clarify, St James are scrimmages, don't count for rankings, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

Bro... That's pretty extensive analysis. Shows Pride is on track as usual, among other things. Are you the same poster, or do we have two willing to wade through the historical for us?

One issue, if we know 2028 local players who were at BLC went to Hero's, and who were at Stars and Pride went to M&D, are those 6-10 girls, if they were back on Stars or MOCO teams enough to have brought the local area clubs 2028s back in line, or close to historical averages?

Also, I would offer that the true assessment will be whether the 2028s can match Capital's trajectory for the 2025s-27s. IF so, perhaps the rankings analysis above missed some intangibles, or girls playing in Baltimore returned, or there was a coaching factor.

Even if there were ten of the strongest 28 DMV players on MD teams right now (there are fewer than that), and all of them came back, that would average ~three players per each DMV team. Unless each is a Charlotte North prodigy none of us has heard about, they wouldn’t dramatically dent the 2.2X delta that exists when compared against the 26s, the 3X delta v the 27s, and the 3.8X delta v the 29s. The talent for the 28s is just off, and the stats seem to bear this out.

I’ve watched most of these MD players from the DMV. Don’t mean this to be at all derogatory but I do not see aby real difference in them and the top 3 Pride or top 2 Stars players.

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Anonymous wrote:You may say I took the bait, but I looked at the rankings data for local clubs 8th grade seasons from 25s-28s.

If you take out the rankings anomaly caused by BLC's historically-strong 2027 team (which had a number of players who now play for Baltimore clubs), and historically weak 2028 team, the rest of the DC-area teams are about on par with the '25, '26, '27 teams in average ranking.

Stars (#38) and Pride (#14) are consistent with historical track records. Next Level's actually better (at #67). If we want to count Renegades' successor, 3D Maryland, who has their highest ranked club yet with the 2028s (#36), that further balances the scales.

The big drop-offs are the local Maryland (MOCO) teams, BLC (#201 down from #7 for the 2027s) and MC Elite (#177), which are ranked much lower than historical averages. This thread has talked at length about how top players that may have traditionally played in MOCO are now playing with Baltimore clubs at the 2028 level, and whether any might consider coming back and trying out for Capital.

So the data does not support the conclusion that the local area 2028s are not as strong as prior years. It does appear, however, that MOCO talent may indeed have moved North for club play.

Proof will be mid season 2024-25 when the Capital '28s have built a track record.

2028 is an off year for talent across the board, unfortunately. It’s too bad — every now and again there’s a drop.

The best of BLC 2027 went to Capital (about ten players). BLC 2029 is a top 20 team - no sign of any players moving to Balto. They would have done so by now if they felt they needed / wanted to. It doesn’t make sense for them to move since they’re on a Capital track. When you check the Capital 2024 and 2025 commits and compare them with Hero’s, Capital has the edge in sending girls to better schools and programs.

Fairly weak argument to respond to a substantive post with a declarative statement and no supporting data. If you want to back your statement, great, if not I will remain unpersuaded that there is some dramatic change--your clever condescension notwithstanding.

Stats that show the local talent at the 2028 level is “off”:

- Prior to HS, at 2026, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #33. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #77; BLC 7th grade = #85 (77+85 / 2 = #81 average) **6th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 8th grade = #9; 7th grade = #7 (9 + 7 / 2 = #8 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #14 (7 + 14 / 2 = #11 average)
- 81 + 8 + 11 / 3 = 33
- Prior to HS, at 2027, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #24. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #7; 7th grade = #7; 6th grade = #4 (7 + 7 + 4 / 3 = #6 average)
- Pride 8th grade = #23; 7th grade = #14; 6th grade = #10 (23 + 14 + 10 / 3 = #16 average)
- Stars 8th grade = #42; 7th grade = #64; 6th grade = #43 (42 + 64 + 43 / 3 = #50 average)
- 6 + 16 + 50 / 3 = 24
- Prior to HS, at 2028, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) averaged a national ranking of #72. The math (rounded):
- BLC 8th grade = #201; 7th grade = #157; BLC 6th grade = #118 (201+157+118 / 3 = #159 average
- Pride 8th grade = #14; 7th grade = #19; 6th grade = #17 (14 + 19 + 17 / 3 = #17 average
- Stars 8th grade = #38; 7th grade = #45; 6th grade = #36 (38 + 45 + 36 / 3 = #40 average
- 159 + 17 + 40 / 3 = 72
- At 2029, the top three DMV teams (BLC, Pride Red, Stars LB) average a national ranking of #19. The math (rounded):
- BLC 7th grade = #20; 6th grade = #11 (20 + 11 / 2 = #16 average) ** 5th grade stats are unavailable
- Pride 7th grade = #23; 6th grade = #15 (23 + 15 / 2 = #19 average)
- Stars 7th grade = #26; 6th grade = #20 (26 + 20 / 2 = #23 average)
- 16 + 19 + 23 / 3 = 19

Bro... That's pretty extensive analysis. Shows Pride is on track as usual, among other things. Are you the same poster, or do we have two willing to wade through the historical for us?

One issue, if we know 2028 local players who were at BLC went to Hero's, and who were at Stars and Pride went to M&D, are those 6-10 girls, if they were back on Stars or MOCO teams enough to have brought the local area clubs 2028s back in line, or close to historical averages?

Also, I would offer that the true assessment will be whether the 2028s can match Capital's trajectory for the 2025s-27s. IF so, perhaps the rankings analysis above missed some intangibles, or girls playing in Baltimore returned, or there was a coaching factor.

Even if there were ten of the strongest 28 DMV players on MD teams right now (there are fewer than that), and all of them came back, that would average ~three players per each DMV team. Unless each is a Charlotte North prodigy none of us has heard about, they wouldn’t dramatically dent the 2.2X delta that exists when compared against the 26s, the 3X delta v the 27s, and the 3.8X delta v the 29s. The talent for the 28s is just off, and the stats seem to bear this out.

I’ve watched most of these MD players from the DMV. Don’t mean this to be at all derogatory but I do not see aby real difference in them and the top 3 Pride or top 2 Stars players.

Yes, but could you imagine if the top three from Pride and the top two from Stars joined forces for a sixes game? That would be interesting to watch