Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:A few comments as someone who used to have au pairs:

1. You agree with them in advance on their weekly schedule. So if Juliana is to be believed, she probably was slated to start work that morning at 8 AM. She could've taken the family's car to run an errand before her shift. I would be interested to hear if she took the child with her to run the errand. That would be highly unusual, since the au pair's "off time" means no child responsibilities. Would be quite suspicious.

2. Au pairs get a J-1 visa good for 1 year. Once her year is up (which apparently was now), they can:

1. Return home;
2. Continue staying with their host family for another year (called extending); or
3. Request to extend with a new host family (in which case they interview and hope to "match" with a family).

In the case of 2 and 3, that allows them to stay legally in the US for an additional year.

However, 2 and 3 require (1) the au pair agency to agree to the extension and (2) the Department of State to approve the extension. I'd be interested in how the agency handled this. I imagine they wanted her to leave the country right after the murder, or immediately re-match with a different family. The au pair agencies are pretty hands off, but allowing an au pair to stay in a home where the host mother was murdered seems... a lot, even for them.

Also, what BS that the au pair knows all about some sordid relationship between CB and JR but doesn't recognize his car?! Sure.

I thought this was an extended year with the Banfields? Am I mixing up their aps? So, then would have to rematch? And had applied to extend visa? Wonder what type and on what basis?

Hey, that girl KNOWS from sordid! And she was so in fear she did not call 911, did not go to a neighbor for help, but barged in with small child in tow? Totes plausible. But necessary tall tale to set up their discredited narrative.

If she was already in her extension year (i.e., this is her second year as an au pair), then there would be no way for her to extend her J-1 visa. The only way she would be able to stay in the US legally would be to switch to a student visa (difficult but not impossible for Au pairs to do) or get married. Either way, if her visa was up, it makes perfect sense that LE would make a move now to prevent her from going back to Brazil

Also she is already under pressure from visa status, opportune time to tighten the screws with a bit of an overcharge.

Her mother claims she recently applied to extend her visa. A poster on here said she was looking for childcare work, isn't that restricted for au pairs? If she had done 1 year with Banfields and was re-matching with Brendan, why would she be looking for other work? To extend her J-1 she would have to HAVE a match, yes? Anyone who knows more re: her current/future match care to chime in?

Yes, au pairs are not permitted to work for other families (or work any job - DoorDash, Starbucks, etc) while they are here on their J-1 visa. But, some au pairs do babysit on the side for extra spending money.

If she was trying to pick up a full time nanny job, then she intended to stay in the country illegally and get paid under the table. There's no way to do this legally. Au pair agencies are aware, but turn a blind eye. They basically send the au pair her plane ticket home at the end of her time in the program, and she simply doesn't board the plane. Instead, she stays in the US illegally and finds work as a nanny, getting paid in cash. Some au pairs do this.

If she was trying to pick up babysitting gigs here and there, she probably just wanted extra spending money while in the au pair program.

[Anonymous]

Not to veer too hard into speculation (I know, as though that’s not what all of this has been), but it looks like CB never engaged with any IG posts made by BB’s mom (aka her MIL) when BB’s mom occasionally posted granddaughter pics and tagged CB in them. That might mean nothing, or it could mean the relationship between CB and her MIL wasn’t mutually warm, which also could mean nothing in terms of the case. But the lack of interaction did catch my attention.

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That's interesting given how often BB's mom posts about her now.

And how she and ap engage.

Just feel so sad for Christine and Joe, the betrayal and deception, and for what?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to veer too hard into speculation (I know, as though that’s not what all of this has been), but it looks like CB never engaged with any IG posts made by BB’s mom (aka her MIL) when BB’s mom occasionally posted granddaughter pics and tagged CB in them. That might mean nothing, or it could mean the relationship between CB and her MIL wasn’t mutually warm, which also could mean nothing in terms of the case. But the lack of interaction did catch my attention.

Different poster, but on a similar note, I'm sure others have noticed that BB sometimes responded to the AP's Facebook.

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The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

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Yes, au pairs are not permitted to work for other families (or work any job - DoorDash, Starbucks, etc) while they are here on their J-1 visa. But, some au pairs do babysit on the side for extra spending money.

If she was trying to pick up a full time nanny job, then she intended to stay in the country illegally and get paid under the table. There's no way to do this legally. Au pair agencies are aware, but turn a blind eye. They basically send the au pair her plane ticket home at the end of her time in the program, and she simply doesn't board the plane. Instead, she stays in the US illegally and finds work as a nanny, getting paid in cash. Some au pairs do this.

If she was trying to pick up babysitting gigs here and there, she probably just wanted extra spending money while in the au pair program.

Thanks for this detail.

If her mom is correct and she has recently applied to extend visa then it would have to be a J-1, so extension with Banfield in all likelihood, unless another family matched even given the circumstances.

Anyone who has met her, what is she like in personality? Anyone suspect anything re: BRB even before the IG photos?

It must be surreal to interact with him now, on leave will he go to the class Halloween party or trip to the pumpkin patch? That poor child. BRB seems cold and superior but who knows, maybe he can turn on the charm and was liked?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to veer too hard into speculation (I know, as though that’s not what all of this has been), but it looks like CB never engaged with any IG posts made by BB’s mom (aka her MIL) when BB’s mom occasionally posted granddaughter pics and tagged CB in them. That might mean nothing, or it could mean the relationship between CB and her MIL wasn’t mutually warm, which also could mean nothing in terms of the case. But the lack of interaction did catch my attention.

Different poster, but on a similar note, I'm sure others have noticed that BB sometimes responded to the AP's Facebook.

I don't have FB so thanks for sharing this. What kinds of things does he say? Is this only since the murders or before? Did she and Christine interact on socials? Christine had been close to the prior au pair, wonder if she suspected something was afoot?

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Anonymous wrote:The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

It was also reported that the husband did not know Joe either. So if he did orchestrate it, most likely he did it through Christine's phone.

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Anonymous wrote:The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

I think the recent LE statement was he was known to Christine and they put it that way because they have electronic records showing that. Joe's family has been in contact since the tragic day and surely has provided HIS electronics. It has been implied elsewhere that he knew Brendan, not sure if in the biblical sense before the harridans descend, and that he had been to the house previously. All that can likely be documented, and Joe may have had a safety plan, telling someone where the was going, who, etc. He was very openly in the c*ck/swinging lifestyle, his family and friends knew. Early on it was said that all parties were known to one another. I'm sure more will come out on that point, once a charge is made for the stabbing. More or less detail depending on if Juliana switches to sharing the truth.

I think Brendan set up the whole scenario between Christine and Joe as a way to lure a patsy. May have been something they had a past with, but would not be surprised if whole "hotwife" thing was new. And Joe had met them fairly recently per his friend, purportedly on a fetish website. The strategy seems to have been not only to kill Joe and Christine but then to continue to smear them in death.

For what, so they could go to FOB? I mean, they could do that anyway?

The contempt and derision, the lack of cooperation by the not so grief stricken husband, not getting a Mr. Rogers vibe.

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Anonymous wrote:The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

It was also reported that the husband did not know Joe either. So if he did orchestrate it, most likely he did it through Christine's phone.

More detail on this is likely to come out in the future.

I think Joe and Christine thought Brendan had consented in some kind of "hotwife" thing which is not the same as a c&ck thing, who knew? Could see that, even the imgur pic had that showing off vibe and it seems like something a narc would go for, kind of vicarious dick measuring.

All 4 could have been having orgies every time the kid was out of the room and it still means all 4 should be alive. But it's possible that no actual sex occurred between Joe and either Banfield. He was just there to be the scapegoat regardless of what pretext was used to lure.

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Anonymous wrote:The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

Doubtful.

I think they are going off LE saying he was known to Christine, which is not the same as saying Juliana did not know who he was, had not seen his car before, etc.

Think, if you were a childminder and you thought a crime was happening in a home, would you

a) call 911
b) go to a neighbor for help (early people were home)
c) drive to safety or
d) barge in, preschooler in tow?

Would you lie to the police about the death of your boss and then f&ck her husband? She has stuck to the bs script in her chats with LE, so, think they both planned, plotted and practiced. Doesn't have to be plausible, just consistent so LE has to work for it.

By trying to smear Joe and Christine in death, even via a proxy, they may be trying to taint a jury pool, who knows?

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https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/10/19/reston-au-pair-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-shooting-and-stabbing-case/

This does say he was not known to her.

I am definitely not well versed in these details so maybe I’m missing something but my theory is BB stabbed her, lured Joe over and manipulated AP into thinking he was an intruder which resulted in her shooting him… 23 is so, so young and someone who is an au pair is not typically a criminal mastermind but definitely easily manipulated for love. I wonder how much of this she was even aware of outside of thinking she loves him, this was all an unfortunate accident and they are protecting each other. Now they want her to turn on him.

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Anonymous wrote:^ messed up the quotes but the gist of it is she is telling the discredited story Brendan and Juliana have been telling all along and trying to smear Christine and Joe for having sex. No mention of her daughter's own affair with Brendan Banfield.

Her daughter also told her the case was closed 3 months ago.

In her telling, Juliana is a hero, not a killer.

She mentions her "arriving for work" but in the People article she had said she and the child had been out.

I don't get the "arriving for work" thing in the article b/c she lived there! Also, she said the kid was with her. Maybe it was something lost in translation.

No you can’t read. They arrested her last week when she was arriving to work. She has another job.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly why I never wanted an Au Pair.

We just had a horrible first time au pair experience and fired her and dropped the agency. I was angry at losing the Hoge placement fee to the agancy (bc they completely misrepresented the au pair - she didn’t have the skills they said she had and she had mental health issues that the agency knew about), but I keep thinking maybe we dodged a bullet?

You just bad luck. We have only had positive experiences with our au pairs.

We also had a terrible experience. We used one of the more expensive agencies that specializes in au pairs that are slightly older with some work experience. But she had criiplojng anxiety and could barely leave the house. From talking to lots of friends and neighbors with au pairs, it seems like about 25% are super great, 50% are okay/fine/some issues, and 25% are just terrible or have significant issues.

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Anonymous wrote:The local report on the arrest says they do not believe Juliana knew who the victim was ie he was unknown to her. Could the husband have orchestrated it alone?

If you listen to the law enforcement press conference, in its entirety, they don’t exactly say he was unknown. They just say so far the investigating has shown he has only known to Christine. That doesn’t mean he is not known to the others. It’s a very interesting choice of words using per the investigation…