Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

1. I think all noise complaints are overblown. I used to live on a busy road and it was noisy but not disruptive to daily life. I used to live in Arlington and would frequently have my windows open and planes would fly over, yes you’d hear them but you could still have a conversation.

2. Did any of you move in before the airport was there? If not, STFU. We need an airport. If airplane noise bothers you, go somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

they are not at all

look at the foxhall poster on this board: flying low, every minute, 5am-1am

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Anonymous wrote:Foxhall is horrendous. A plane flies by every 25 seconds. It has been a nightmare, I am losing my sanity. The most expensive place I’ve rented in my life and it is uninhabitable.

Stop trolling.

Stop it. They are not trolling.
Not to be ableist but you just need eyes and ears. Pollution will put paid to all else.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

No. They don't. There is essentially one runway at DCA, and planes can't fly over the White House, Capitol, etc.

So, no.

I dunno looks like the do https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

This was a pretty minor change that redistributed the noise between already heavily affected areas. Since they did this there is a bit less noise over Georgetown and Foxhall and more over Virginia. The path still follows the river though and that is unlikely to change.

https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

As others point out, you are incorrect that this was done to redistribute the noise between DC and Arlington. The FAA would not be "redistributing the noise". The change happened in response to a request from the secret service to keep the flight path further away from the prohibited areas. It was not a minor change. However, the Potomac residents and members of the Montgomery County delegation on the Community Noise Working Group at National airport used that opportunity to ask the FAA to also make changes in MoCo by shifting the flightpath away from Potomac and towards the river. In response to that request the FAA moved the flight path south towards Carderock and River Falls.

The process is described here. The map on page 4 shows in yellow the areas where the noise has increased as a result.

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/air_traffic/community_engagement/dca_p56/MD_SHPO_Notice_of_Availability_Letter_DCA_Permanent_HOLTB.pdf

This is the problem exactly. Not only are ARL and MoCo better organized, but DC can't even get the people to admit the problem.

Not a surprise if you know the history of the Spring Valley. But counterproductive nonetheless

[Anonymous]

We live in Westmoreland Hills. Every time we have out of town guests, they remark on the plane noise. I have to admit I don't notice it until the third or fourth guest commented.

Since I started reading these threads, I realize that, yes, it is pretty constant. I can hear it now.

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7000 complaints from a single address.

https://jalopnik.com/reagan-national-airport-received-almost-7-000-noise-com-1851312692

[Anonymous]

I’m genuinely appalled about this person cross-posting the “news” from 2015 across 3 threads when they know very well this reporting was an organized effort to report on behalf of the neighbors to the FAA to try and improve the situation for everyone.

For more about that time, why the neighbors felt they had to act and how it felt to live there, here is a much better and more detailed article:

https://wamu.org/story/16/10/26/jet_noise_is_no_joke_for_residents_burned_by_report_on_airport_complaints/

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

No. They don't. There is essentially one runway at DCA, and planes can't fly over the White House, Capitol, etc.

So, no.

I dunno looks like the do https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

This was a pretty minor change that redistributed the noise between already heavily affected areas. Since they did this there is a bit less noise over Georgetown and Foxhall and more over Virginia. The path still follows the river though and that is unlikely to change.

https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

As others point out, you are incorrect that this was done to redistribute the noise between DC and Arlington. The FAA would not be "redistributing the noise". The change happened in response to a request from the secret service to keep the flight path further away from the prohibited areas. It was not a minor change. However, the Potomac residents and members of the Montgomery County delegation on the Community Noise Working Group at National airport used that opportunity to ask the FAA to also make changes in MoCo by shifting the flightpath away from Potomac and towards the river. In response to that request the FAA moved the flight path south towards Carderock and River Falls.

The process is described here. The map on page 4 shows in yellow the areas where the noise has increased as a result.

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/air_traffic/community_engagement/dca_p56/MD_SHPO_Notice_of_Availability_Letter_DCA_Permanent_HOLTB.pdf

This is the problem exactly. Not only are ARL and MoCo better organized, but DC can't even get the people to admit the problem.

Not a surprise if you know the history of the Spring Valley. But counterproductive nonetheless

In my opinion people in DC and especially the Palisades and Georgetown are well organized, but there is not much they can do. There is only one route that airplanes can take. In 2017 or 2018 residents used their own money to file a lawsuit against the FAA. Most of the work in Montgomery County is done by Potomac and Cabin John residents on the Community Noise Working Group at DCA and for the benefit of those communities. The president of MoCo County Council is from Potomac too. The change in the flight path in 2021 that is mentioned above has been detrimental to other neighborhoods. Look at the map again.

The work of DC representatives is impressive.
https://www.flyreagan.com/about-airport/aircraft-noise-information/dca-reagan-national-community-working-group

[Anonymous]

Just a reply that I am the OP that started this thread (perhaps a bit misguidedly about a year ago). We are still happily living in 20816 and the airplanes don't bother me.

[Anonymous]

I don’t see how that’s humanly possible from the noise or pollution standpoint but good for you

[Anonymous]

We are in Alexandria and hear the planes if they head / land south. I always know when 5am hits because I can hear them in the distance!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People in thread are clinically OCD. You all need help. FYI, DARIC is being changed sometime next year, which should lower noise along the nicest part of Bethesda (GEH, GE), so thank god for that.

The changes in arrival procedures that are coming this summer in Montgomery County are not about changing waypoint DARIC but about disconnecting waypoint FERGI. It is illustrated on pages 16 (current) and 17 (future). Currently the flights begin their final approach at waypoint Fergi in Potomac. The MoCo delegation on the DCA Community Noise Working Group has been working for the last few years to change the location of the final approach from Fergi in Potomac to Daric in Glen Echo. Airplanes will also be approaching Daric along different routes as shown on page 17. The FAA has been testing this new procedure with a few flights for the last two years.

https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/legacyfiles/post_abcx2_presentation_of_noa_recommendations_to_cwg_20210722.pdf

After reviewing the proposal from Montgomery County, the FAA amended it by shifting the location of Daric slightly west. So yes, thank god for that. I don't know where to find the updated map.

All of this should be discussed at the DCA meeting tonight. Anybody can watch it online.

https://www.flyreagan.com/about-airport/aircraft-noise-information/dca-reagan-national-community-working-group

Members of the DCA Community Noise Working Group:
https://www.flyreagan.com/sites/flyreagan.com/files/2023-10/Reagan%20National_Noise%20Working%20Group_Voting%20Members_Oct302023%20%281%29.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. I think all noise complaints are overblown. I used to live on a busy road and it was noisy but not disruptive to daily life. I used to live in Arlington and would frequently have my windows open and planes would fly over, yes you’d hear them but you could still have a conversation.

2. Did any of you move in before the airport was there? If not, STFU. We need an airport. If airplane noise bothers you, go somewhere else.

lol - that’s great that that was your experience in Arlington, but when the planes fly over our house they fly low and the noise is so loud you cannot hear a single other thing. They’re spaced such that as one recedes the next begins. You get used to it, but I would never move to this house if I knew it would become the noise dumpster it’s become. We don’t live near the airport and we weren’t always this menaced by air traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

No. They don't. There is essentially one runway at DCA, and planes can't fly over the White House, Capitol, etc.

So, no.

I dunno looks like the do https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

This was a pretty minor change that redistributed the noise between already heavily affected areas. Since they did this there is a bit less noise over Georgetown and Foxhall and more over Virginia. The path still follows the river though and that is unlikely to change.

https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

As others point out, you are incorrect that this was done to redistribute the noise between DC and Arlington. The FAA would not be "redistributing the noise". The change happened in response to a request from the secret service to keep the flight path further away from the prohibited areas. It was not a minor change. However, the Potomac residents and members of the Montgomery County delegation on the Community Noise Working Group at National airport used that opportunity to ask the FAA to also make changes in MoCo by shifting the flightpath away from Potomac and towards the river. In response to that request the FAA moved the flight path south towards Carderock and River Falls.

The process is described here. The map on page 4 shows in yellow the areas where the noise has increased as a result.

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/air_traffic/community_engagement/dca_p56/MD_SHPO_Notice_of_Availability_Letter_DCA_Permanent_HOLTB.pdf

This is the problem exactly. Not only are ARL and MoCo better organized, but DC can't even get the people to admit the problem.

Not a surprise if you know the history of the Spring Valley. But counterproductive nonetheless

I have to disagree. DC representatives on the DCA Noise Working Group are very responsive to those that are supposed to represent. They keep DC residents well informed and seek feedback. That is not the case in Montgomery County where residents were never notified about or asked for input on the request to the FAA to amend the departure procedures over Montgomery County in 2021. What's even worse, MoCo residents were not notified by their reps that the FAA had opened a comment period for the residents of the County to provide feedback on that proposal. Hence, no feedback was received.

That's how Montgomery County rolls.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

No. They don't. There is essentially one runway at DCA, and planes can't fly over the White House, Capitol, etc.

So, no.

I dunno looks like the do https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

This was a pretty minor change that redistributed the noise between already heavily affected areas. Since they did this there is a bit less noise over Georgetown and Foxhall and more over Virginia. The path still follows the river though and that is unlikely to change.

https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

As others point out, you are incorrect that this was done to redistribute the noise between DC and Arlington. The FAA would not be "redistributing the noise". The change happened in response to a request from the secret service to keep the flight path further away from the prohibited areas. It was not a minor change. However, the Potomac residents and members of the Montgomery County delegation on the Community Noise Working Group at National airport used that opportunity to ask the FAA to also make changes in MoCo by shifting the flightpath away from Potomac and towards the river. In response to that request the FAA moved the flight path south towards Carderock and River Falls.

The process is described here. The map on page 4 shows in yellow the areas where the noise has increased as a result.

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/air_traffic/community_engagement/dca_p56/MD_SHPO_Notice_of_Availability_Letter_DCA_Permanent_HOLTB.pdf

This is the problem exactly. Not only are ARL and MoCo better organized, but DC can't even get the people to admit the problem.

Not a surprise if you know the history of the Spring Valley. But counterproductive nonetheless

I have to disagree. DC representatives on the DCA Noise Working Group are very responsive to those that are supposed to represent. They keep DC residents well informed and seek feedback. That is not the case in Montgomery County where residents were never notified about or asked for input on the request to the FAA to amend the departure procedures over Montgomery County in 2021. What's even worse, MoCo residents were not notified by their reps that the FAA had opened a comment period for the residents of the County to provide feedback on that proposal. Hence, no feedback was received.

That's how Montgomery County rolls.

Does Montgomery County have Inspector General?

This would never fly in the Palisades.