Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

15% of people who come to a doctor asking for help with depression end up committing suicide within the next month if they are not treated. I can't figure out why you think that is okay, because the point you are trying to make with your anti medication agenda is more important than those people's lives.

You could advocate for better mental health access to services without advocating letting those people for, but you don't. Why?

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(without advocating letting those people die)

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I understand how people can become depressed and anxious, but once prescribed these meds people generally never come off of them. This seems like a racket to me. And why is it that every other person I know takes a psych med? Something is very wrong with this. I have become jaded and hardened perhaps, I have highly functioning autistic family members who can’t be ‘fixed’ and there is no help for them, it’s who they are. It’s my job in life to give them life experiences and tools to cope. There is very little help for high functioning autistic people. It’s hard, very hard, I think of other people complaining and crying about their cushy lives and how they need their zoloft. It’s just unreal, they just seem so weak and have such a victim mentality.

Around 50% of people who begin taking an antidepressant do not discontinue it because it helps them. It improves their mental health, so why would they discontinue it?

It’s good for your family member that you recognize they struggle amidst their autism diagnosis. To dismiss the struggle of people with mental illness when you don’t actually know anything about it is sad. You’re not in their therapy or psychiatry appointments, so why do you feel entitled to judge their medical treatment?

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

15% of people who come to a doctor asking for help with depression end up committing suicide within the next month if they are not treated. I can't figure out why you think that is okay, because the point you are trying to make with your anti medication agenda is more important than those people's lives.

You could advocate for better mental health access to services without advocating letting those people for, but you don't. Why?

What is your source for this statistic of 15% die from suicide after asking for help? I think you have gotten something wrong from whatever research study this came from.

And to the other above poster, the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness has long been debunked. That was a theory used in the 1960s to try to explain in very rough terms that mental illness had a biological component and was not weakness or laziness or poor character. For some reason it has continued to circulate like an old wives tale until today despite being known to be inaccurate in the health and science communities for decades.

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NP but here are some relevant statistics that indicate that suicidal people do often seek medical care prior to an attempt:

Overall, 38 percent of patients made some type of healthcare visit within a week before attempting suicide. The visit came within a month before the suicide attempt in 64 percent of patients, and within a year in nearly 95 percent. The percentage of visits with mental health or substance abuse diagnoses was about 25 percent within a week, 44 percent within a month, and 73 percent within a year before the attempt.

From “High Rate of Healthcare Visits Before Suicide Attempts,” https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/news/high-rate-of-healthcare-visits-before-suicide-attempts

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

15% of people who come to a doctor asking for help with depression end up committing suicide within the next month if they are not treated. I can't figure out why you think that is okay, because the point you are trying to make with your anti medication agenda is more important than those people's lives.

You could advocate for better mental health access to services without advocating letting those people for, but you don't. Why?

What is your source for this statistic of 15% die from suicide after asking for help? I think you have gotten something wrong from whatever research study this came from.

And to the other above poster, the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness has long been debunked. That was a theory used in the 1960s to try to explain in very rough terms that mental illness had a biological component and was not weakness or laziness or poor character. For some reason it has continued to circulate like an old wives tale until today despite being known to be inaccurate in the health and science communities for decades.

Re: 15%
So this was not something you knew, I take it? Maybe you should make sure you understand why professionals disagree with you if you are going to hold forth on the topic.

I'll post when I'm off the phone.

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What is your source for this 15% commit suicide stat you quote? I feel like maybe there is a misunderstanding of the research.

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

15% of people who come to a doctor asking for help with depression end up committing suicide within the next month if they are not treated. I can't figure out why you think that is okay, because the point you are trying to make with your anti medication agenda is more important than those people's lives.

You could advocate for better mental health access to services without advocating letting those people for, but you don't. Why?

What is your source for this statistic of 15% die from suicide after asking for help? I think you have gotten something wrong from whatever research study this came from.

And to the other above poster, the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness has long been debunked. That was a theory used in the 1960s to try to explain in very rough terms that mental illness had a biological component and was not weakness or laziness or poor character. For some reason it has continued to circulate like an old wives tale until today despite being known to be inaccurate in the health and science communities for decades.

Re: 15%
So this was not something you knew, I take it? Maybe you should make sure you understand why professionals disagree with you if you are going to hold forth on the topic.

I'll post when I'm off the phone.

I am a different poster, that stat doesn’t seem right to me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

15% of people who come to a doctor asking for help with depression end up committing suicide within the next month if they are not treated. I can't figure out why you think that is okay, because the point you are trying to make with your anti medication agenda is more important than those people's lives.

You could advocate for better mental health access to services without advocating letting those people for, but you don't. Why?

What is your source for this statistic of 15% die from suicide after asking for help? I think you have gotten something wrong from whatever research study this came from.

And to the other above poster, the chemical imbalance theory of mental illness has long been debunked. That was a theory used in the 1960s to try to explain in very rough terms that mental illness had a biological component and was not weakness or laziness or poor character. For some reason it has continued to circulate like an old wives tale until today despite being known to be inaccurate in the health and science communities for decades.

Exactly, depression and anxiety unlike schizoaffective disorders are largely subjective meaning there are no tests for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.

We don't know that she's paralyzed. The lawyer only said that "she can't walk." She might just have 2 broken ankles.

The DA thinks she can move.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/lindsay-clancy-mental-health-psychological-evaluation-arraignment-set-duxbury-massachusetts/42758331#

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Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.

We don't know that she's paralyzed. The lawyer only said that "she can't walk." She might just have 2 broken ankles.

The DA thinks she can move.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/lindsay-clancy-mental-health-psychological-evaluation-arraignment-set-duxbury-massachusetts/42758331#

I will be curious to see what the truth is. As of this morning, the DA also had said she had been in contact with her parents and the lawyer shut that down and said her parents were turned away when they showed up to the hospital on Thursday. I believe she is now being able to see or talk to her parents (as of Friday night). So a little bit of back and forth between the attorney and the DA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

How do you know this? I was suicidal several years ago and went to my Dr and got on antidepressants. The only people I ever told about my suicidal thoughts were my Dr. and my spouse. Didn’t tell my parents, my siblings, my friends, or anyone else. I told all of those ppl I was on anti depressants but not that I had been suicidal. I don’t think you know as much as you think you know about others’ lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

How do you know this? I was suicidal several years ago and went to my Dr and got on antidepressants. The only people I ever told about my suicidal thoughts were my Dr. and my spouse. Didn’t tell my parents, my siblings, my friends, or anyone else. I told all of those ppl I was on anti depressants but not that I had been suicidal. I don’t think you know as much as you think you know about others’ lives.

People who express suicidal ideation are not allowed home, generally they are sent to a crisis center and evaluated there. Then admitted to a psych floor.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

Well I doubt she had PPP. She still needs to be held accountable regardless, and as an RN I would have thought she’d be more aware of potential med interactions/contraindications, MDs aren’t always correct, she was fairly young and inexperienced though and probably all of her friends are taking some sort of psych med. Everyone seems to be nowadays. Also many school shooters were found to be on SSRIs just remember that.

Sheis a college educated woman in her 30s! That's not "young and inexperienced!"

She’s been a nurse for what? 10 years? An L&D nurse at that. She is inexperienced and seemingly naive.

Anything to victimize a whit lady. She's a fully grown woman in her 30s who killed her kids. Not only was she an Land D nurse which takes training and skill. She was a nurse midwife which is additional training. And in the state of MA nurse midwifes can prescribe so she knew a thing or two about medication

She wasn’t even a midwife and I am certain not excusing her.

Since when? Every write up I've seen she's described as such
. And by describing her as young and experienced you are excusing her

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

How do you know this? I was suicidal several years ago and went to my Dr and got on antidepressants. The only people I ever told about my suicidal thoughts were my Dr. and my spouse. Didn’t tell my parents, my siblings, my friends, or anyone else. I told all of those ppl I was on anti depressants but not that I had been suicidal. I don’t think you know as much as you think you know about others’ lives.

People who express suicidal ideation are not allowed home, generally they are sent to a crisis center and evaluated there. Then admitted to a psych floor.

Not necessarily. I find it sad how much judgement you have for people who are depressed.