Maureen Dowd column on Landon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were the parent of one of those girls on the list .... honestly, you'd have to hold me back. I don't doubt the issue wasn't pushed from that side of the coin. I know 2 of the girls on that list and they are the sweetest young ladies - the farthest thing from a "slampig". I don't doubt their parents had something to do with pushing this issue to the forefront, riding on the publicity of the Love murder.

Has it been established for a fact that none of the girls were in on this? Because girls themselves have participated in this sort of thing. I have children of both sexes in several single sex schools and i know this has happened, and I suspect others reading this know I am right although none of us wants to "out" the girls school involved. Hardly an excuse for the boys--they are bigger and stronger and so there is always the potential for disrepect for young women turning into something vicious and ultimately criminal. But if you have girls, it behooves you to remind them to avoid drunkenness and not to send out double messages. If you have a religious orientation, this is easier.

Are your children teenagers? grades 7 and 8? High school? There are groups of girls who are ready willing and produce. Even the same guys done by friends.

[Anonymous]

They're asking for it, I tell you....

Geez now we know what kind of parents (mothers?) produce these boys....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They're asking for it, I tell you....

Geez now we know what kind of parents (mothers?) produce these boys....

I'm not going to post names but you are on track with possibly one of them. You are off track with possibly thinking girls are all nice. These girls might be but I know of many that are not.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, but the logic of "she was asking for it" is that the victim, presumptively, must have been one of the not-nice girls.

[Anonymous]

It is irrelevant, legally and morally, whether a girl is a "nice" girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They're asking for it, I tell you....

Geez now we know what kind of parents (mothers?) produce these boys....

The last thing I would tell my daughter is that she can behave any way she wants, get drunk, sext boys, etc. and she has NO responsibility. The implication here is that by exhorting girls to be smart and conduct themselves with SOME sense of propriety means that boys are let off the hook. How dumb. Nobody wants their daughter to get taken advantage of whilst in a drunken stupor at a party to prove a point that boys can be jerks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're asking for it, I tell you....

Geez now we know what kind of parents (mothers?) produce these boys....

The last thing I would tell my daughter is that she can behave any way she wants, get drunk, sext boys, etc. and she has NO responsibility. The implication here is that by exhorting girls to be smart and conduct themselves with SOME sense of propriety means that boys are let off the hook. How dumb. Nobody wants their daughter to get taken advantage of whilst in a drunken stupor at a party to prove a point that boys can be jerks.

Boys and girls should have some sense of propriety. Neither should get off the hook. Your 1st sentence is mild compared to the extent of some behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Tell boys: you are stronger. Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. If you have sex with a girl who is ambivalent, or drunk, you could be charged with rape. If you have unprotected sex (even if you thought it was protected) and the girl gets pregnant, you have no say about what she decides to do about the pregnancy.
Tell your girls: Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. Do not put yourself in a situation where people who are bigger and stronger than you can take advantage of you--therefore avoid drunkenness when you are vulnerable, don't leave your drink unattended at fraternity parties. Don't fight with drunks. Know something about the guy you go out with--get informal references through friends at the least.
Then pray.

[Anonymous]

Stronger meaning--never get physical with a girl no matter what! Sorry; not clear.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't put any stock in an article in the Washington Examiner. Everyone knows it's a crappy, conservative paper.

Anonymous wrote:You're being naive pp. Of course, everyone in the Greater DC area knows that PG county is largely AA. You'd have to live under a rock not to know that.

Actually, an AA mana wrote a really interesting story for the Wash. Examiner saying he thought the white boys were being unfairly tarnished by this story because they were privileged and white. I thought that was interesting for him to raise that.

[Anonymous]

I can't read this whole thread, so pardon me if this point has already been brought up - but why is this a big deal? Is it because it's Landon? If not, then I don't see the big deal, this happens in every school. There is always a group of boys like this and there are also not so prudish girls out there. It doesn't make it right, but it's hardly a shocker, or worthy of a column.

[Anonymous]

Hugely attended Mater Dei for most of hos life pre-Landon, and respectfully, I do not believe either school "caused" his issues.

Monied access to alcohol and drugs, possibly, but those are widely available in DC close in suburbs. It's neither a "guy" issue any more tha it is a "female issue", in the sens ethat both were jocks, bith widely used alcohol, and ?? drugs as well.

MANY public and privates had issues this year, none made the press, altho the St. Albans lock-down almost got "rest of the story" in the press--ooh, but not quite.

Media go after males in general, and yes, this case IS sadly unusua; and sad,m but many factors are invloved--including factors cmmon to anyone looking at this site. Get real folks.

This is reality TV, just in reverse. Cute when a TV ratings, and criminally sad when real--but we/you all support it--look at Nielsen ratings for reality shows/DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell boys: you are stronger. Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. If you have sex with a girl who is ambivalent, or drunk, you could be charged with rape. If you have unprotected sex (even if you thought it was protected) and the girl gets pregnant, you have no say about what she decides to do about the pregnancy.
Tell your girls: Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. Do not put yourself in a situation where people who are bigger and stronger than you can take advantage of you--therefore avoid drunkenness when you are vulnerable, don't leave your drink unattended at fraternity parties. Don't fight with drunks. Know something about the guy you go out with--get informal references through friends at the least.
Then pray.

Good post. There are teens like this but not part of the popular crowd.

[Anonymous]

The main problem with Landon is that there are way too many Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell boys: you are stronger. Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. If you have sex with a girl who is ambivalent, or drunk, you could be charged with rape. If you have unprotected sex (even if you thought it was protected) and the girl gets pregnant, you have no say about what she decides to do about the pregnancy.
Tell your girls: Do not have sex outside a committed relationship. Do not put yourself in a situation where people who are bigger and stronger than you can take advantage of you--therefore avoid drunkenness when you are vulnerable, don't leave your drink unattended at fraternity parties. Don't fight with drunks. Know something about the guy you go out with--get informal references through friends at the least.
Then pray.

Good post. There are teens like this but not part of the popular crowd.

No, they're not part of the hyper-social, anything-to-be-cool crowd, but those kids are not necessarily the most popular ones. At least at my DC's school, they peaked in middle school.