ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

Only our RL players go to MLS1. Just look at Surf College Cup last weekend. Most MLS1 teams are at the bottom of the group.

This happened at the Copa Rayados Internacional in Houston last week as well. Poor performance by MLSN teams. Got beaten consistently by ECNL RL teams.

Maybe they were feeling down, thinking the entire platform would have to switch to SY. Now, watch out!

Losers always try to find an excuse, no exception.

You don't recognize sarcasm, I see.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

HS exp cannot be replaced. ECNL has both. The top scorer of a top MLS1 team just quit, in order to play our HS in his senior year. Now MLS2 is officially a money grab.

So he was already recruited and committed to a college then is making the silly decision to risk injury to play low-quality high injury HS soccer?

If you only think of soccer in HS soccer, I bet you are not a successful person currently.

Those memories of HS soccer will carry much further and deeper than club. Especially when most club players go nowhere . Better to feel connected and part of community and have peers come watch you play than only parents win or lose. That stuff stays with you .

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

HS exp cannot be replaced. ECNL has both. The top scorer of a top MLS1 team just quit, in order to play our HS in his senior year. Now MLS2 is officially a money grab.

So he was already recruited and committed to a college then is making the silly decision to risk injury to play low-quality high injury HS soccer?

If you only think of soccer in HS soccer, I bet you are not a successful person currently.

Those memories of HS soccer will carry much further and deeper than club. Especially when most club players go nowhere . Better to feel connected and part of community and have peers come watch you play than only parents win or lose. That stuff stays with you .

I think this says more about the current state of club soccer that is all about the individual and not the team. It has not always been this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

HS exp cannot be replaced. ECNL has both. The top scorer of a top MLS1 team just quit, in order to play our HS in his senior year. Now MLS2 is officially a money grab.

So he was already recruited and committed to a college then is making the silly decision to risk injury to play low-quality high injury HS soccer?

If you only think of soccer in HS soccer, I bet you are not a successful person currently.

Those memories of HS soccer will carry much further and deeper than club. Especially when most club players go nowhere . Better to feel connected and part of community and have peers come watch you play than only parents win or lose. That stuff stays with you .

Every student will pass through your kid's senior portrait hanging outside the stadium wall before they enter school for the next 3 months. The usual close derby will get a lot of audience and cheer for the school. You cannot get that comradeship from the top club soccer team like MLS or ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:MLS2 is a dead end and will fold soon. Actually it should never get started in 2025.

You're missing the bigger picture and why there are a bunch of MLSN haters here, although there are certainly legit complaints/concerns and MLSN will be under the gun to make it all work. MLSN/GA is in a competitive battle with ECNL for the top end of Youth Soccer. MLSN2 isn't just 2nd teams. There were a bunch of solid USYS clubs who picked that vs. ECNL or ECRL. Many of those clubs are geared toward HS, so in that context, the decision for them to go SY makes a ton of sense. Those clubs don't necessarily do better under the ECNL system, especially while the other leagues fragment even more.

MLS2 only club just got screwed. It will be much harder for them to sell the pathway to MLS1 if their club can ever be promoted to it. You are talking about $25K a year with everything and parents are not stupid.

I guess you'd buy that bridge ECNL is selling. SMH.

Been with both MLS1 and ECNL. The cost is similar. If I have to spend that amount of money, it has to be in the first team or have a clear pathway. That is why, when our club's RL team moved up to RL2, I immediately moved my other kid to a local team with similar competition, at a much lower cost and with no faraway games.

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Anonymous wrote:MLS2 is a dead end and will fold soon. Actually it should never get started in 2025.

You're missing the bigger picture and why there are a bunch of MLSN haters here, although there are certainly legit complaints/concerns and MLSN will be under the gun to make it all work. MLSN/GA is in a competitive battle with ECNL for the top end of Youth Soccer. MLSN2 isn't just 2nd teams. There were a bunch of solid USYS clubs who picked that vs. ECNL or ECRL. Many of those clubs are geared toward HS, so in that context, the decision for them to go SY makes a ton of sense. Those clubs don't necessarily do better under the ECNL system, especially while the other leagues fragment even more.

MLS2 only club just got screwed. It will be much harder for them to sell the pathway to MLS1 if their club can ever be promoted to it. You are talking about $25K a year with everything and parents are not stupid.

I guess you'd buy that bridge ECNL is selling. SMH.

Been with both MLS1 and ECNL. The cost is similar. If I have to spend that amount of money, it has to be in the first team or have a clear pathway. That is why, when our club's RL team moved up to RL2, I immediately moved my other kid to a local team with similar competition, at a much lower cost and with no faraway games.

Why do all these threads end up being about the humble-brag/only I know how to do it-ism?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

HS exp cannot be replaced. ECNL has both. The top scorer of a top MLS1 team just quit, in order to play our HS in his senior year. Now MLS2 is officially a money grab.

So he was already recruited and committed to a college then is making the silly decision to risk injury to play low-quality high injury HS soccer?

If you only think of soccer in HS soccer, I bet you are not a successful person currently.

Those memories of HS soccer will carry much further and deeper than club. Especially when most club players go nowhere . Better to feel connected and part of community and have peers come watch you play than only parents win or lose. That stuff stays with you .

I think this says more about the current state of club soccer that is all about the individual and not the team. It has not always been this way.

HS sports always better than club. HS baseball better than legion ball 100%. HS better than college even. Too many parents on this board coked up on club soccer probably bc you’re paying an arm and a leg for it and can’t see the forest for the trees. Your kid ain’t the next Pulisic trust me.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

HS exp cannot be replaced. ECNL has both. The top scorer of a top MLS1 team just quit, in order to play our HS in his senior year. Now MLS2 is officially a money grab.

So he was already recruited and committed to a college then is making the silly decision to risk injury to play low-quality high injury HS soccer?

If you only think of soccer in HS soccer, I bet you are not a successful person currently.

Those memories of HS soccer will carry much further and deeper than club. Especially when most club players go nowhere . Better to feel connected and part of community and have peers come watch you play than only parents win or lose. That stuff stays with you .

Romanticizing to create a preferable reality

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How much do ECNL and MLSN cost?

[Anonymous]

I just realized that since bioband is widely used MLSN1 in our club, so MLSN1 (BY + bioband) can roughly align with MLSN2 (SY) and ECNL (SY) for either tournament or player promotion pathways

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Anonymous wrote:I just realized that since bioband is widely used MLSN1 in our club, so MLSN1 (BY + bioband) can roughly align with MLSN2 (SY) and ECNL (SY) for either tournament or player promotion pathways

Yep, this is why all the crazytowns screeching that the sky is falling are just dumb.

99% of the posts are parents trying to fight for their kids team/coach/club/league.

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Anonymous wrote:I just realized that since bioband is widely used MLSN1 in our club, so MLSN1 (BY + bioband) can roughly align with MLSN2 (SY) and ECNL (SY) for either tournament or player promotion pathways

Yep, this is why all the crazytowns screeching that the sky is falling are just dumb.

99% of the posts are parents trying to fight for their kids team/coach/club/league.

Yes, but most kids who have made and stayed on MLS 1 teams with Q4 birthdays are not also smaller/later developers. Being both young and a late developer by U14 or so likely caused them to already be relegated to a lower tier. Yes, there are some and they definitely should take advantage of the biobanding option. I stated this a couple of pages ago when I mentioned my Q4 2011 son who has taken the bioband path this year and played 2012 MLS 1 with mostly other 8th graders. It’s the perfect scenario for the younger later developers like him but from what I’ve seen most biobands are actually Q1 or Q2 from the year prior, so older for their BY.

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Anonymous wrote:I just realized that since bioband is widely used MLSN1 in our club, so MLSN1 (BY + bioband) can roughly align with MLSN2 (SY) and ECNL (SY) for either tournament or player promotion pathways

No it will not work. Good players will not do biobanding. Biobanding is only for players who cannot get a minute but desperately want to stay in the top team. If I have to bioband to play down to be ashamed, why not just go to the 2nd team and also play HS soccer?

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For legitimate bioband cases, like 2011 Q3/Q4, to play with the 2012 MLSN1 team, make sense, as they are on the same 8th grade. That's why I say the clubs could make MSLN1/2 'roughly' align in the future by intelligently use bioband

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With 'legitimate' bioband, MLSN1 teams can go into the same SY tournament as a whole against ECNL teams without much age disadvantages. But sarcastically, these MLSN1 teams cannot go as whole to formal international games, though MSLN claims that aligning with FIFA is the reason for BY...