ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

Stupid comment

You play down if your league cutoff designates you a U15 but you're playing U14

If SY cutoff makes you U15 being born in September and everyone born in September is also U15, how are you playing down?

By playing down he means kids aug-dec birthday kids play down, in other words repeat their current age group. If you're U15 right now and play in the MLSN2 team and will stay in the MLSN2 team next year (which most will) you will play U15 again, which is essentially means playing down

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

Stupid comment

You play down if your league cutoff designates you a U15 but you're playing U14

If SY cutoff makes you U15 being born in September and everyone born in September is also U15, how are you playing down?

The two different age cutoffs create this mess. It’s playing down compared to the eligible age group for mls1.

An August 2012 will be u15 for MLSN1 and u14 for mlsn2. If the goal is playing mlsn1, playing for mlsn2 will be “playing down” an age group.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

If MLSN2 is second to MLS Next, how is it 3rd overall?

I would say mlsn2 is still a second tier option but only because ECNL and Mlsn1 are on the same level now. They are the top SY and BY leagues respectively

Funny guy

Toyota and Rolls Royce are on same level because they are both top in their categories

If you look at Surf College Cup result, MLS1 teams are usually on the bottom of their group and some are even beaten by RL teams. One MLS1 team got tied by a younger ECNL team that plays up. P2P MLS1 which are 90% of MLS1 teams are just mediocre.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Q4 kid. 11 yr old. Was starting mls pipeline and looking likely mls2. We will try out at ECNL. Even if 2nd team there, have a chance to make the top team at some point. Either way, would likely be more of an impact on ECNL 2nd team than MLS2. Also, MLS is too disorganized. Club will have a nightmare. [/quote]

Why is soccer such a mess? [/quote]

Great question!

Now, US is the only country in the world with 2 different age cutoff systems for youth soccer.

Also, soccer is the only youth sport in US (as far as I know) with 2 different age cutoff systems.

So yes, soccer in US is a mess!

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No US has 2 different soccer pathways.

BY = Pro
SY = Youth HS College

If college soccer didn't exist (which it doesnt in other countries) there wouldn't be a reason to do SY.[/quote]There is no pro path. Just a couple of players every year in a country of over 300 million able to play for more than minimum wage salary. Good on the few that get a few months in USL but there is no pro path.

[Anonymous]

Time to revive that NCAA commercial from way back about student athletes lol.

[Anonymous]

Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

They can't play down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

If MLSN2 is second to MLS Next, how is it 3rd overall?

I would say mlsn2 is still a second tier option but only because ECNL and Mlsn1 are on the same level now. They are the top SY and BY leagues respectively

Funny guy

Toyota and Rolls Royce are on same level because they are both top in their categories

College is more sought after, so you can argue ECNL will end up with better depth of talent. But there wasn’t much difference in average talent between the two leagues before and this age differential evens the playing field even more, so to speak.

Colleges prioritize MLS Next, unless you've been living under a rock

You must be speaking of girls

P2P MLSN and ECNL have similar numbers of kids playing in college. With ECNL players being about 6 months older than MLSN P2P, MLSN P2P is lining up to be 2nd choice for colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Agree, probably while replacing best Aug-Dec who go from MLSN p2p to ECNL. ECNL is lined up better for colleges so BY will be unsustainable for MLSN p2p because almost nobody goes pro as there is so little money in MLS for American players.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

They can't play down.

They will be eligible to play on a younger year B team or an older year A team. So playing down or playing up depending on where they go/where the club puts them. What’s so confusing? This makes perfect sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

They can't play down.

By "playing down" it means kids aug-dec birthday will AGAIN play with their current age group, in other words repeat their current age group. For example, if you're U15 right now and CURRENTLY play in the MLSN2 team and will STAY in the MLSN2 team next year (which most will) you will play U15 again, which is essentially means "playing down"

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine kidwith their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Sure. That’s why 1st teams usually consist of the bigger kids with Q1 and Q2 birthdays

Yeah yeah yeah... we all know relative age effect has a presence
That's not the context of this discussion

And since you mentioned that, Q1 and Q4 in SY will be shifted

It is relative because MLSN is now screwing the aug-dec (RAE) kids by making MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY. RAE kids will not have a change at this point. They could either play down with the MLSN2 teams or play up with the MLSN2 team where there will even be older kids.

You cant choose to play down an age group

Given the changes in MLSN2 from current BY to SY, aug-dec birthday kids WILL play down, but if they want to play up they can they would have to play with even OLDER kids, in the older MLSN2 team. good luck with that...

Stupid comment

You play down if your league cutoff designates you a U15 but you're playing U14

If SY cutoff makes you U15 being born in September and everyone born in September is also U15, how are you playing down?

By playing down he means kids aug-dec birthday kids play down, in other words repeat their current age group. If you're U15 right now and play in the MLSN2 team and will stay in the MLSN2 team next year (which most will) you will play U15 again, which is essentially means playing down

There's no essentially

The kid will be playing On Age in the new system

[Anonymous]

Do over year..... What an oppertunity....

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

If MLSN2 is second to MLS Next, how is it 3rd overall?

I would say mlsn2 is still a second tier option but only because ECNL and Mlsn1 are on the same level now. They are the top SY and BY leagues respectively

Funny guy

Toyota and Rolls Royce are on same level because they are both top in their categories

If you look at Surf College Cup result, MLS1 teams are usually on the bottom of their group and some are even beaten by RL teams. One MLS1 team got tied by a younger ECNL team that plays up. P2P MLS1 which are 90% of MLS1 teams are just mediocre.

MLS Next is still the premier league and the college recruiting and rosters verify that

[Anonymous]

Looks like people are starting to figure out that players need to play with their grade if they plan to be recruited and play in college.

Seriously dont listen to the numbnut that says playing on a grade down team is a good thing.

Logically it doesnt make sense.