Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:The parents are not mentally unstable as a group. Just spoiled and privileged and entitled. At least where I live. That’s enough to drive this insanity when you add in pressure from Wash Post and NY Times about learning loss. But the truth is, you can’t deal with learning loss if your teachers are sick or quit. And most of kids you need to target aren’t coming in. Because their parents aren’t privileged and spoiled and living in a bubble. They have seen COVID up front and aren’t drinking the Kool Aid. Hybrid is not the answer right now. Wait 2-3 months. Then try.

Agree. Wait 2-3 months until the holiday surge subsides.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

The younger two are learning the exact same thing their older sibling learned in previous years. iReady scores look great. I'm not sure whether they're doing the IAAT, but I expect our oldest child to do well on it if they do. His school sent out a couple sample questions and he had no problem with them.

They're receiving curriculum at the same pace and depth?

Yes. I think they're more focused and learning more than in previous years because there are not classroom disruptions and they have more time during the day to work independently.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

The younger two are learning the exact same thing their older sibling learned in previous years. iReady scores look great. I'm not sure whether they're doing the IAAT, but I expect our oldest child to do well on it if they do. His school sent out a couple sample questions and he had no problem with them.

They're receiving curriculum at the same pace and depth?

Yes. I think they're more focused and learning more than in previous years because there are not classroom disruptions and they have more time during the day to work independently.

So regardless of COVID, going back to in-person instruction this/next year is going to be detrimental to your kid's education. I imagine that's going to be disappointing.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

DP. Why would you do that?? This is NOT a traditional year! The learning is of course going to be impacted like everything else. Is your work output equal to other years? Your happiness? Your relationships? Health of your stocks? Your weight? Productivity? No. It is ludicrous to have expected that in ANY format of learning kids would have had equal or better progress than a typical year. It isn’t a typical year in ANYONES life in any aspect.

I realize you're a DP...but your definition of thriving is that DL is not completely failing? That sounds about right.

Nobody is thriving this year. Nobody. Your kids are safe and healthy. Cared for. Learning something. That is literally the best case scenario right now. You have no concept of how little you are actually struggling if your biggest concern is that compared to any other school year your kid isn’t learning the same amount of material.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

The younger two are learning the exact same thing their older sibling learned in previous years. iReady scores look great. I'm not sure whether they're doing the IAAT, but I expect our oldest child to do well on it if they do. His school sent out a couple sample questions and he had no problem with them.

They're receiving curriculum at the same pace and depth?

Yes. I think they're more focused and learning more than in previous years because there are not classroom disruptions and they have more time during the day to work independently.

So regardless of COVID, going back to in-person instruction this/next year is going to be detrimental to your kid's education. I imagine that's going to be disappointing.

You really don’t remember or understand what a miserable and horrible experience school is for a lot of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

DP. Why would you do that?? This is NOT a traditional year! The learning is of course going to be impacted like everything else. Is your work output equal to other years? Your happiness? Your relationships? Health of your stocks? Your weight? Productivity? No. It is ludicrous to have expected that in ANY format of learning kids would have had equal or better progress than a typical year. It isn’t a typical year in ANYONES life in any aspect.

I realize you're a DP...but your definition of thriving is that DL is not completely failing? That sounds about right.

Nobody is thriving this year. Nobody. Your kids are safe and healthy. Cared for. Learning something. That is literally the best case scenario right now. You have no concept of how little you are actually struggling if your biggest concern is that compared to any other school year your kid isn’t learning the same amount of material.

DL fanatics have been posting for months that their kids are thriving. There is a poster on this very page that says their kids are learning as much, if not more, than a traditional school year. So not sure who you're arguing with, actually. You should probably talk to the DL crowd and let them know they're lying to themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

The younger two are learning the exact same thing their older sibling learned in previous years. iReady scores look great. I'm not sure whether they're doing the IAAT, but I expect our oldest child to do well on it if they do. His school sent out a couple sample questions and he had no problem with them.

They're receiving curriculum at the same pace and depth?

Yes. I think they're more focused and learning more than in previous years because there are not classroom disruptions and they have more time during the day to work independently.

So regardless of COVID, going back to in-person instruction this/next year is going to be detrimental to your kid's education. I imagine that's going to be disappointing.

You really don’t remember or understand what a miserable and horrible experience school is for a lot of kids.

So COVID has been a welcome respite? Happy for the holidays because it'll keep those case counts elevated for a while?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

The younger two are learning the exact same thing their older sibling learned in previous years. iReady scores look great. I'm not sure whether they're doing the IAAT, but I expect our oldest child to do well on it if they do. His school sent out a couple sample questions and he had no problem with them.

They're receiving curriculum at the same pace and depth?

Yes. I think they're more focused and learning more than in previous years because there are not classroom disruptions and they have more time during the day to work independently.

So regardless of COVID, going back to in-person instruction this/next year is going to be detrimental to your kid's education. I imagine that's going to be disappointing.

You really don’t remember or understand what a miserable and horrible experience school is for a lot of kids.

So COVID has been a welcome respite? Happy for the holidays because it'll keep those case counts elevated for a while?

Seriously what’s wrong with you? People can say “DL has been okay for my kids” without it = “I hope more people die.” If your kids are doing poorly it’s probably because their main role model and caretaker is this angry and bitter and mean.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

DP. Why would you do that?? This is NOT a traditional year! The learning is of course going to be impacted like everything else. Is your work output equal to other years? Your happiness? Your relationships? Health of your stocks? Your weight? Productivity? No. It is ludicrous to have expected that in ANY format of learning kids would have had equal or better progress than a typical year. It isn’t a typical year in ANYONES life in any aspect.

I realize you're a DP...but your definition of thriving is that DL is not completely failing? That sounds about right.

Nobody is thriving this year. Nobody. Your kids are safe and healthy. Cared for. Learning something. That is literally the best case scenario right now. You have no concept of how little you are actually struggling if your biggest concern is that compared to any other school year your kid isn’t learning the same amount of material.

DL fanatics have been posting for months that their kids are thriving. There is a poster on this very page that says their kids are learning as much, if not more, than a traditional school year. So not sure who you're arguing with, actually. You should probably talk to the DL crowd and let them know they're lying to themselves.

How are you really going to sit here and tell a mom who is an expert in HER kids that she is wrong to say they’re making progress because she didn’t produce quantifiable data reports for you?

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Anonymous wrote:The parents are not mentally unstable as a group. Just spoiled and privileged and entitled. At least where I live. That’s enough to drive this insanity when you add in pressure from Wash Post and NY Times about learning loss. But the truth is, you can’t deal with learning loss if your teachers are sick or quit. And most of kids you need to target aren’t coming in. Because their parents aren’t privileged and spoiled and living in a bubble. They have seen COVID up front and aren’t drinking the Kool Aid. Hybrid is not the answer right now. Wait 2-3 months. Then try.

Yes, my kids are entitled to an education. In this country, education is an entitlement. And the virtual school is not an education. Glad it works for some kids. It is a totally failure for mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

DP. Why would you do that?? This is NOT a traditional year! The learning is of course going to be impacted like everything else. Is your work output equal to other years? Your happiness? Your relationships? Health of your stocks? Your weight? Productivity? No. It is ludicrous to have expected that in ANY format of learning kids would have had equal or better progress than a typical year. It isn’t a typical year in ANYONES life in any aspect.

I realize you're a DP...but your definition of thriving is that DL is not completely failing? That sounds about right.

Nobody is thriving this year. Nobody. Your kids are safe and healthy. Cared for. Learning something. That is literally the best case scenario right now. You have no concept of how little you are actually struggling if your biggest concern is that compared to any other school year your kid isn’t learning the same amount of material.

DL fanatics have been posting for months that their kids are thriving. There is a poster on this very page that says their kids are learning as much, if not more, than a traditional school year. So not sure who you're arguing with, actually. You should probably talk to the DL crowd and let them know they're lying to themselves.

How are you really going to sit here and tell a mom who is an expert in HER kids that she is wrong to say they’re making progress because she didn’t produce quantifiable data reports for you?

Could be a dad. And PP said it, not me.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.

+1. If the School Board said, "Hey, we are meeting virtually because we want to keep community spread as low as possible, and we want the BOS and our national leaders to shut down all non-essential businesses and require telework for everyone who is not an essential worker so that schools can remain open and health systems don't get overrun", that would be one thing. They aren't saying that. They're meeting virtually because THEY don't want to risk exposure to Covid but can't say so because it's terrible optics.

School Board doesn’t need to be in person to do their job effectively. Teachers do.

Disagree. My kids are doing great with virtual learning, thanks to their teachers. I would also disagree that the School Board has been doing an effective job virtually. Maybe they should try meeting in person.

DP. I completely agree with you. Our kids are thriving and making progress with DL. They are quite happy doing DL and not having to deal with the misbehaving idiots who get 90% of the teacher's time because she's trying to keep them in line. Now those kids can't act out in a way that disrupts learning so it is a complete win-win for my kids. Finally!

How are you measuring progress as compared to a traditional school year?

DP. Why would you do that?? This is NOT a traditional year! The learning is of course going to be impacted like everything else. Is your work output equal to other years? Your happiness? Your relationships? Health of your stocks? Your weight? Productivity? No. It is ludicrous to have expected that in ANY format of learning kids would have had equal or better progress than a typical year. It isn’t a typical year in ANYONES life in any aspect.

I realize you're a DP...but your definition of thriving is that DL is not completely failing? That sounds about right.

Nobody is thriving this year. Nobody. Your kids are safe and healthy. Cared for. Learning something. That is literally the best case scenario right now. You have no concept of how little you are actually struggling if your biggest concern is that compared to any other school year your kid isn’t learning the same amount of material.

DL fanatics have been posting for months that their kids are thriving. There is a poster on this very page that says their kids are learning as much, if not more, than a traditional school year. So not sure who you're arguing with, actually. You should probably talk to the DL crowd and let them know they're lying to themselves.

How are you really going to sit here and tell a mom who is an expert in HER kids that she is wrong to say they’re making progress because she didn’t produce quantifiable data reports for you?

So I lost track of the DL advocacy position. Are kids thriving or not?

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Maybe some people on here are DL “advocates.” But most are safety advocates. If your teachers quit or quarantine, you can’t have in person school. Wait til it’s safer. Not the literal off the charts peak of the pandemic.

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You’re hopeless. Nobody matters but you and your kids. Stay over there then.

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Anonymous wrote:So the teacher haters are *still* disparaging teachers 36 pages later?

We know you are vile. Point made. Go find something better to do with your time. Maybe...parent your kids?

It’s 9:38am on winter break. You don’t have anything better to do with your time than sh1t on the parents?

Go for a hike - the weather is nice.

I am a parent, brainiac.

Go spend time with your kids FFS.

Pot, meet kettle.

I haven’t been posting endlessly on this thread.

If you feel the need to crap on teachers page after page after page maybe you should step back.

Why are you assuming you know how many of these posts are mine?