US News 2020 rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide:

1. Harvard

2. Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

3. Columbia, Wharton, CalTech, CMU SCS

4. Amherst/Williams, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, JHU, NU, Penn non-Wharton

5. UVA, Cal, UCLA, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Wash U, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, CMU non-SCS, USC, Georgia Tech, NYU Stern

So sad.

If you go by the students that I know, those admitted to Columbia, Chicago, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, JHU, Penn, Amherst and Williams do not in any way rise above some of those who are attending some of the schools in category 5 like Rice and Vandy, and some of them were a lot weaker.

- Teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide:

1. Harvard

2. Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

3. Columbia, Wharton, CalTech, CMU SCS

4. Amherst/Williams, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, JHU, NU, Penn non-Wharton

5. UVA, Cal, UCLA, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Wash U, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, CMU non-SCS, USC, Georgia Tech, NYU Stern

Vastly Flawed. Lot of people think Princeton and Yale are better than Harvard. CMU only has computer science. Don't know what SCS is. There is no Pomona or Swathmore which are much superior to anything in your flawed Tier 5. Again you are biased against SLACs. You can distinguish Wharton vs Non-Wharton otherwise you need to put VT engineering up there. Idiotic.

I rest my case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boston college has way more lay prestige than Wesleyan. So does Notre Dame. Come on now...

Not with people that matter..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin, Vassar
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford

Moved Vassar up. Any other changes? Are folks good. I almost feel like we are east coast biasing Pomona. Thinking Pomona and Swarthmore need to be somewhere between 2A and 2B. I feel like they are above everybody in that tier except maybe Cornell and Rice. But I will leave it for now.

No, it's good as it is now. I would say Case Western is 3B. I like this system better than a ranking.

[Anonymous]

This thread should stop. Pure folly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

+1. BU and Northeastern are in at least the same category as BC.

NO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

+1. BU and Northeastern are in at least the same category as BC.

NO

BU and Notheastern belong in the same category as BC; however, that category is lower than “3B.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide:

1. Harvard

2. Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

3. Columbia, Wharton, CalTech, CMU SCS

4. Amherst/Williams, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, JHU, NU, Penn non-Wharton

5. UVA, Cal, UCLA, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Wash U, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, CMU non-SCS, USC, Georgia Tech, NYU Stern

So sad.

If you go by the students that I know, those admitted to Columbia, Chicago, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, JHU, Penn, Amherst and Williams do not in any way rise above some of those who are attending some of the schools in category 5 like Rice and Vandy, and some of them were a lot weaker.

- Teacher

Very true.

These are just tiers ranked by the general public's perceived prestige and reputation of the "top" schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The definitive guide:

1. Harvard

2. Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton

3. Columbia, Wharton, CalTech, CMU SCS

4. Amherst/Williams, Chicago, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, JHU, NU, Penn non-Wharton

5. UVA, Cal, UCLA, UMich, Rice, Vanderbilt, Wash U, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Emory, CMU non-SCS, USC, Georgia Tech, NYU Stern

So sad.

If you go by the students that I know, those admitted to Columbia, Chicago, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Northwestern, JHU, Penn, Amherst and Williams do not in any way rise above some of those who are attending some of the schools in category 5 like Rice and Vandy, and some of them were a lot weaker.

- Teacher

Very true.

These are just tiers ranked by the general public's perceived prestige and reputation of the "top" schools.

This whole discussion reminds me of the debate of how many angles can dance on the head of a pin. Non-sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread should stop. Pure folly.

It's old. Someone reactivated it.

[Anonymous]

1. Chocolate, Strawberry, Butter Pecan

2. Vanilla, Mint Chip, Raspberry, Coffee

3. Rum Raisin, Chunky Monkey, Moose Trax, Peach, Chocolate Peanut Butter, Fudge Ripple, Salted Caramel

This is final and not debatable. Make your decisions based on this list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Son, I am waiting on the UVA boosters showing up to say the Harvard on the 'ville...the Harvard of Virginia, etc. And the GDS posters showing up to say Tier 1 is composed of all GDS grads.

Dude, CalTech is nothing more than a hi-tech votech compared to MIT. I’ve had more than one CalTech grad tutoring my kid i connected through various HS tutoring websites.

You might need tutoring.

CalTech people aren’t all that smart or well rounded.
It’s the stupid people with no smarts like you who think they are.

Caltech SAT/ACT:

25th Percentile 75th Percentile
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing 740 760
SAT Math 790 800
ACT Composite 35 36
ACT Math 35 36
ACT English 35 36

MIT SAT/ACT:

25th Percentile 75th Percentile
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing 720 770
SAT Math 780 800
ACT Composite 34 36
ACT Math 34 36
ACT English 34 36

CalTech is math/science based. In fact they are so focused they couldn’t get into Ivy schools that’s Looking for more well rounded people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Pomona is more selective than all of these schools in terms of admit rate. Their admissions percentage was 8% this cycle. Wellesley was 20%, Emory 18.5%, UC Berkeley 17.1%, Georgetown 16.38%, Notre Dame is 15.8%, Carnegie Mellon 15%, WashU St.Louis 14%, UCLA 12.3%, and UCLA 12.3%.

Closest peers in this group in terms of selectivity (all with higher admit rates) are Rice 11.1%, Cornell 10.55%, and Vanderbilt 9.6%,

Pomona has a lower admit rate than majority of your 1B group (Penn 9.3%, Duke 9.9%, Chicago 8.7%), and all of your 2A group (Northwestern 9.2%, Brown 8.5%, Dartmouth 10.4%, Williams 13%, Amherst 12.9%, and John's Hopkins 12.5%).

Pomona doesn’t have credibility because the Claremont consortium has a history of cheating with their stats. Anyone who knows how to lie with stats would be the Claremont consortium.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Chocolate, Strawberry, Butter Pecan

2. Vanilla, Mint Chip, Raspberry, Coffee

3. Rum Raisin, Chunky Monkey, Moose Trax, Peach, Chocolate Peanut Butter, Fudge Ripple, Salted Caramel

This is final and not debatable. Make your decisions based on this list.

Coffee definite tier 3. Tier 2 includes peanut butter. You are an idiot to say otherwise.

[Anonymous]

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar, Case Western

Updated. I think we have consensus.