the Key/ASFS building switch...

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Anonymous wrote:Read the memo linked in the original post. The main reason for the swap is to minimize bus times for the poor kids in Rosslyn.

I've read the memo, I get the bus time thing and actually support it. But this whole "halfway across the county" rhetoric is hyperbolic and getting old.

Well, we appreciate your understanding, but Rosslyn to Taylor is 3.8 miles; our urban county is 6 miles across. People who aren’t riding a school bus (which has to stay parked until every kid is seated vs a city bus) just aren’t getting that Rosslyn to ASFS is already a compromise, and pushing even further to Taylor should not be on the table.

Curious how much the disturbance from having HB buses converge on Rosslyn will do to traffic. MS buses are earlier, but the increased traffic may not clear by 8 when school buses come through

You’re using two different measurements to get to that comparison. Arlington is 6 miles wide as the crow flies; driving from one end to the other would be more Han six miles. Rosslyn is 3.8 miles to Taylor as driven on streets but as the crow flies, it’s maybe half that.

compared driving from Rosslyn to Taylor to East Falls church. 3.8 vs 5.8. More than half that distance.m

As the crow flies? Are you comparing the edge of Rosslyn to the edge of Taylor zone, b/c reading the map, it’s about 2.5 miles as crow flies, probably more but I’m just measuring east to west.

Which is still pretty close to half the county. Not ‘nearly half that’

Now if you are suggesting an air borne school transit, like a gondola, than maybe you have a point.

Otherwise it is ridiculously far to bus kids to their ‘neighborhood’ school in a county this size

Using google maps even in traffic from River Place in Rosslyn or Prospect House behind the Marine Corps Memorial to Taylor elementary is typically 10-20 minutes and even in the worst traffic 24 minutes is the extreme.

This entire discussion is moot because Long Branch will have plenty of room for the Rosslyn Whiners once Ft Myers goes to HB and the PUs below 50 go to Fleet.

So long branch will have room even though it’s at 102% in 2021?

It's always funny when the people who aren't paying attention pretend they are.

Maybe I am confused but I thought Rosslyn is going to Key as the neighborhood school and if we need to make room we can send a few PUs to LB. VPI and SpecEd Preschool can move somewhere else. Isn't Barcroft going to be 113%? Also a bunch of kids are going to choice out...so LB will have plenty of space to pick up a few PUs.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire discussion is moot because Long Branch will have plenty of room for the Rosslyn Whiners once Ft Myers goes to HB and the PUs below 50 go to Fleet.

So long branch will have room even though it’s at 102% in 2021?

It's always funny when the people who aren't paying attention pretend they are.

Maybe I am confused but I thought Rosslyn is going to Key as the neighborhood school and if we need to make room we can send a few PUs to LB. VPI and SpecEd Preschool can move somewhere else. Isn't Barcroft going to be 113%? Also a bunch of kids are going to choice out...so LB will have plenty of space to pick up a few PUs.

That 102% is K-5 utilization only after accounting for kids in the Long Branch zone going to option schools; it doesn't include any preschool programs. Barcroft is in both boundary processes, so it might shed planning units in the 2020 process.

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Long Branch doesn’t have room, it might in 2020, but that would be because part of barett takes parts of Lyon park.

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Change can be fun!

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Anonymous wrote:Read the memo linked in the original post. The main reason for the swap is to minimize bus times for the poor kids in Rosslyn.

I've read the memo, I get the bus time thing and actually support it. But this whole "halfway across the county" rhetoric is hyperbolic and getting old.

Well, we appreciate your understanding, but Rosslyn to Taylor is 3.8 miles; our urban county is 6 miles across. People who aren’t riding a school bus (which has to stay parked until every kid is seated vs a city bus) just aren’t getting that Rosslyn to ASFS is already a compromise, and pushing even further to Taylor should not be on the table.

Curious how much the disturbance from having HB buses converge on Rosslyn will do to traffic. MS buses are earlier, but the increased traffic may not clear by 8 when school buses come through

You’re using two different measurements to get to that comparison. Arlington is 6 miles wide as the crow flies; driving from one end to the other would be more Han six miles. Rosslyn is 3.8 miles to Taylor as driven on streets but as the crow flies, it’s maybe half that.

compared driving from Rosslyn to Taylor to East Falls church. 3.8 vs 5.8. More than half that distance.m

As the crow flies? Are you comparing the edge of Rosslyn to the edge of Taylor zone, b/c reading the map, it’s about 2.5 miles as crow flies, probably more but I’m just measuring east to west.

Which is still pretty close to half the county. Not ‘nearly half that’

Now if you are suggesting an air borne school transit, like a gondola, than maybe you have a point.

Otherwise it is ridiculously far to bus kids to their ‘neighborhood’ school in a county this size

Using google maps even in traffic from River Place in Rosslyn or Prospect House behind the Marine Corps Memorial to Taylor elementary is typically 10-20 minutes and even in the worst traffic 24 minutes is the extreme.

This entire discussion is moot because Long Branch will have plenty of room for the Rosslyn Whiners once Ft Myers goes to HB and the PUs below 50 go to Fleet.

So long branch will have room even though it’s at 102% in 2021?

It's always funny when the people who aren't paying attention pretend they are.

Maybe I am confused but I thought Rosslyn is going to Key as the neighborhood school and if we need to make room we can send a few PUs to LB. VPI and SpecEd Preschool can move somewhere else. Isn't Barcroft going to be 113%? Also a bunch of kids are going to choice out...so LB will have plenty of space to pick up a few PUs.

I thought Rosslyn was going to Key too.

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Anonymous wrote:Read the memo linked in the original post. The main reason for the swap is to minimize bus times for the poor kids in Rosslyn.

I've read the memo, I get the bus time thing and actually support it. But this whole "halfway across the county" rhetoric is hyperbolic and getting old.

Well, we appreciate your understanding, but Rosslyn to Taylor is 3.8 miles; our urban county is 6 miles across. People who aren’t riding a school bus (which has to stay parked until every kid is seated vs a city bus) just aren’t getting that Rosslyn to ASFS is already a compromise, and pushing even further to Taylor should not be on the table.

Curious how much the disturbance from having HB buses converge on Rosslyn will do to traffic. MS buses are earlier, but the increased traffic may not clear by 8 when school buses come through

You’re using two different measurements to get to that comparison. Arlington is 6 miles wide as the crow flies; driving from one end to the other would be more Han six miles. Rosslyn is 3.8 miles to Taylor as driven on streets but as the crow flies, it’s maybe half that.

compared driving from Rosslyn to Taylor to East Falls church. 3.8 vs 5.8. More than half that distance.m

As the crow flies? Are you comparing the edge of Rosslyn to the edge of Taylor zone, b/c reading the map, it’s about 2.5 miles as crow flies, probably more but I’m just measuring east to west.

Which is still pretty close to half the county. Not ‘nearly half that’

Now if you are suggesting an air borne school transit, like a gondola, than maybe you have a point.

Otherwise it is ridiculously far to bus kids to their ‘neighborhood’ school in a county this size

Using google maps even in traffic from River Place in Rosslyn or Prospect House behind the Marine Corps Memorial to Taylor elementary is typically 10-20 minutes and even in the worst traffic 24 minutes is the extreme.

This entire discussion is moot because Long Branch will have plenty of room for the Rosslyn Whiners once Ft Myers goes to HB and the PUs below 50 go to Fleet.

So long branch will have room even though it’s at 102% in 2021?

It's always funny when the people who aren't paying attention pretend they are.

Maybe I am confused but I thought Rosslyn is going to Key as the neighborhood school and if we need to make room we can send a few PUs to LB. VPI and SpecEd Preschool can move somewhere else. Isn't Barcroft going to be 113%? Also a bunch of kids are going to choice out...so LB will have plenty of space to pick up a few PUs.

I thought Rosslyn was going to Key too.

It is. The Ashlawn tail and possibly some of the Barrett boundary are going to move kids into Long Branch. Not Rosslyn. Rosslyn stays at Key. Someone is just trying to stir up trouble because they are mad about the swap.

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Who advocated for the swap outside the public view this summer? The idea that there is broad consensus as opposed to wealthy interests advocating for this just doesn’t seem to match reality. The “we’ll save a few bucks on buses” line does zero to explain why this isn’t being explored as part of the boundary process.

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Anonymous wrote:Who advocated for the swap outside the public view this summer? The idea that there is broad consensus as opposed to wealthy interests advocating for this just doesn’t seem to match reality. The “we’ll save a few bucks on buses” line does zero to explain why this isn’t being explored as part of the boundary process.

nobody. Seriously nobody. There is no grand conspiracy of wealthy interests trying to 'steal key' so they can 'walk to school'. APS has been totally transparent about why they are doing this. 1) ASFS is outside the walkzone of its current school. 2) if they draw a walkzone, 85% of the school changes; 3) they want to delay those type of changes until 2021 when Reed is coming on so they have a better idea of numbers.

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ASFS is the only school being treated differently in the elementary boundary process. Even if there are benefits to a swap, it should not be treated as an administrative matter when it is clearly part of the boundary adjustment process. If there are good reasons for making the change, the school board should be voting on it in the regular course of things. ASFS families are not entitled to secure their preference in advance of what is likely to be a stressful process for all families.

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Why not? That's what Reed did! And Fleet too?

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS is the only school being treated differently in the elementary boundary process. Even if there are benefits to a swap, it should not be treated as an administrative matter when it is clearly part of the boundary adjustment process. If there are good reasons for making the change, the school board should be voting on it in the regular course of things. ASFS families are not entitled to secure their preference in advance of what is likely to be a stressful process for all families.

Go tell it to Drew. I’m sure they’ll cry you a river.

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Anonymous wrote:ASFS is the only school being treated differently in the elementary boundary process. Even if there are benefits to a swap, it should not be treated as an administrative matter when it is clearly part of the boundary adjustment process. If there are good reasons for making the change, the school board should be voting on it in the regular course of things. ASFS families are not entitled to secure their preference in advance of what is likely to be a stressful process for all families.

Because it's the only school not located in it's own attendance boundary. It's not that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Who advocated for the swap outside the public view this summer? The idea that there is broad consensus as opposed to wealthy interests advocating for this just doesn’t seem to match reality. The “we’ll save a few bucks on buses” line does zero to explain why this isn’t being explored as part of the boundary process.

nobody. Seriously nobody. There is no grand conspiracy of wealthy interests trying to 'steal key' so they can 'walk to school'. APS has been totally transparent about why they are doing this. 1) ASFS is outside the walkzone of its current school. 2) if they draw a walkzone, 85% of the school changes; 3) they want to delay those type of changes until 2021 when Reed is coming on so they have a better idea of numbers.

+1. The swap is the least disruptive action to better align school populations and boundaries until the full boundary process kicks off with Reed.

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Anonymous wrote:Who advocated for the swap outside the public view this summer? The idea that there is broad consensus as opposed to wealthy interests advocating for this just doesn’t seem to match reality. The “we’ll save a few bucks on buses” line does zero to explain why this isn’t being explored as part of the boundary process.

I feel like the super wealthy LV parents have aged out st ASFS. The last few auctions were far more meager. The lower grades are full of kids with two working parents living in townhouses and apartmnents — not many houses sell that often in LV so new population not coming from there. It’s most two working parents who both work downtown so want a shorter commute to see their kids more

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Anonymous wrote:Who advocated for the swap outside the public view this summer? The idea that there is broad consensus as opposed to wealthy interests advocating for this just doesn’t seem to match reality. The “we’ll save a few bucks on buses” line does zero to explain why this isn’t being explored as part of the boundary process.

nobody. Seriously nobody. There is no grand conspiracy of wealthy interests trying to 'steal key' so they can 'walk to school'. APS has been totally transparent about why they are doing this. 1) ASFS is outside the walkzone of its current school. 2) if they draw a walkzone, 85% of the school changes; 3) they want to delay those type of changes until 2021 when Reed is coming on so they have a better idea of numbers.

+1. The swap is the least disruptive action to better align school populations and boundaries until the full boundary process kicks off with Reed.

How is it less disruptive than achieving the same outcome using the boundary process that everyone else is forced to participate in? I think there would be more confidence and acceptance of a swap if the school board would subject it to a vote, as is pretty much always the case when a decision is going to move kids around. This has the appearance of impropriety and that is reason enough to put on the brakes and follow ordinary procedure.