FBI HQ in PG!

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the FBI builds in Greenbelt, the PG economy will not benefit absent the Starbucks closest to the facility. FBI employees, especially GS-14 and above, live in PG County? No, everyone who can afford to live closer will choose AA or Howard counties.

Umm. I am a GS-14 and I live like 3 miles from the Greenbelt site. Half of our neighborhood are GS-13 and up. It’s a nice place to live and my house is paid off.

So is mine in Springfield and I’m a teacher and sole breadwinner. Honestly, I’m not sure I want the FBI here, and Greenbelt is nice, but PGCS are not as good as FCPS from my friend’s experiences there.

But nobody is saying "NOBODY WILL LIVE IN SPRINGFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" In fact, quite the contrary.

I am wondering how much of the opposition to Greenbelt is due to bigotry (or specifically racism) against Prince George's County, and I'm guessing it's a lot.

Probably there's some of that. But the proximity factors are not bigoted, they're just geography.

People want to punish the FBI by making their job significantly more inconvenient. Seems like a bad thing to do to me. But you do you.

It’s very on-brand of the government to make choices that appear to save money but in the long-term create inefficiencies in agency operations and higher costs. The FBI makes about 800-900 trips to quantico per month, a commute that will now take an hour longer round trip.

You conveniently forget that they are currently making these trips with the headquarters located in the District. It’s not like they are currently located in Virginia making these trips and now relocating to Maryland. It’s roughly the same amount of time they would travel from DC to quantico that they would later travel from Greenbelt to quantico, give or take an extra fifteen minutes based on travel route.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

for what? if is not training related, then whatever is going on at quantico that requires travel can be done at the new, larger and expanded hq.

There isn't buildable or useable land to move all the FBI operational/mission critical stuff from Quantico to Greenbelt. But heck, who cares if my taxes o to what should be a store/mall/condo/townhouse project for the FBI? Like a Reston. There were long reports that detail how the Greenbelt site is 50% less than Springfield. Chapter 5. Basically there is fema flood zone AE on a major portion of the acreage. What's AE? If a residence and you have a mortgage you are required to buy flood insurance.

Chapter 7 was Springfield. No constraints by wetlands.

Nice goal post shifting.

Good luck with your campaign to convince all 200 anons on DCUM that Greenbelt was the wrong choice.

It's not goal post shifting. Those are actual reports on the sites. The politicians decided they wanted to build it in Greenbelt but there are substantial differences in what can be built on each site. The feds want investment in PG/MD is the bottom line. I assume that's why the simplistic color blocks were used with no scaled number ratings plus the changing of the criteria ranking.

Those 2 facts seem to mean that adjustments were made so rather brief statements or documents could be produced in supprt of the foregone conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the best deal for taxpayers.

Twenty five million dollars? You feel that strongly about what amounts to a rounding error?

I'm pretty sure that if you asked taxpayers the question: "Do you think the government should choose a building option that would save taxpayers $40mil?", most people, especially conservatives would say yes.

Telling taxpayers that the government made a decision based on what a government employee, and one that was appointed at that, wanted rather than what was the best use of taxpayer money would not go over well.

I'm fairly certain that in a different scenario, if they had chosen MD over VA and the cost of building in MD was going to be more than double, lots of VA people would be up in arms over it.

If the process had worked out to select MD, then everyone, including Wray and the FBI, would be satisfied. Since the process appears rigged, they're not satisfied.

When people don't like the outcome, they complain about the process.

Senator Cardin from Maryland said it best: "We knew we were going to win. It was a fair process." Seriously, who writes his talking points? He essentially admitted that the process was rigged.

I would take that to mean he knew he had the best site.

Honestly these accusations of the process being “rigged” just sound like whining, and reversing the decision will look very, very bad. It would basically be saying “we’re just going to reverse this qualified black lady’s decision even though she clearly had the final say and laid everything out.” That’s not a good look. There’s no accusation of quid pro quo or anything that makes sense, and the GSA decision pretty clearly explains why it chose the site it chose. Reasonable people can obviously disagree on which site was best but there’s no “slam dunk” here proving that Springfield was better.

1 person making a decision of this magnitude is not good. Albert had a simplistic rating system from best to worst-blue, green, yellow. And some very subjective language in the written reports. Figure skating is more complex than FBI headquarters? Sorry to say but it's true. https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

You don’t know anything about government operations if you think one person ever gets to unilaterally make these types of decisions. The final memo itself was signed by Albert and the GSA General Counsel. They knew this was a controversial decision and I’m sure many, many people voiced their approval before this was signed by those two figureheads.

Further, the “three person panel” y’all are crying about ALSO used a blue-green-yellow rating system. But again, this isn’t about the “process,” it’s about an outcome you don’t like.

Sorry but as I posted figure skating scoring is more complex than this slop. The blue green yellow was astoundling simplistic. I could see back up stuff in Greenbelt but nothing of mission critical or operational. Greenbelt would also be a great site for the GSA furniture etc warehouses. As I posted the FBI will still have about 1000 in DC. The fact is there are wetlands in Greenbelt and buildable land is 1.5 less acres. It's the FBI not some anchor tenant for a mixed use development or mall.

I haven’t read anything about the build able land. It seems unlikely that the land directly adjacent to a metro stop would be unbuildable wetland.

You’d think land adjacent to a metro would be in demand but clearly something is wrong with the Greenbelt site for it to still be undeveloped. There has to be a reason why private developers don’t want it and the feds are the only potential buyers.

Are there any major corporations that have decided to locate their headquarters in PG County? MoCo, Arlington, Fairfax all have Fortune 500, even 100, corporate HQs. I can’t think of a single one in PG. The county is just not perceived by the private sector as a very desirable and competitive location. But it’s apparently “close enough for government work.”

Virginia almost always wins against MD or the District in any corporate relocation competition. Maryland may have gotten tired of losing and potentially used its political influence to "win" here. If so, this will come out during the investigations.

The statement from Cardin indicating how he knew MD was going to win all along is telling. Especially when you see the comments above from Warner and Kaine expressing serious concerns about the process and politics.

It’s not “telling” to think that the site that was selected last time was going to be selected again this time.

Based on the criteria that was set in advance this time, the panel chose Springfield. This decision was changed. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has identified serious flaws with the process that will need to be investigated. The entire Congressional delegation in Virginia and the governor agree.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the best deal for taxpayers.

Twenty five million dollars? You feel that strongly about what amounts to a rounding error?

I'm pretty sure that if you asked taxpayers the question: "Do you think the government should choose a building option that would save taxpayers $40mil?", most people, especially conservatives would say yes.

Telling taxpayers that the government made a decision based on what a government employee, and one that was appointed at that, wanted rather than what was the best use of taxpayer money would not go over well.

I'm fairly certain that in a different scenario, if they had chosen MD over VA and the cost of building in MD was going to be more than double, lots of VA people would be up in arms over it.

If the process had worked out to select MD, then everyone, including Wray and the FBI, would be satisfied. Since the process appears rigged, they're not satisfied.

When people don't like the outcome, they complain about the process.

Senator Cardin from Maryland said it best: "We knew we were going to win. It was a fair process." Seriously, who writes his talking points? He essentially admitted that the process was rigged.

I would take that to mean he knew he had the best site.

Honestly these accusations of the process being “rigged” just sound like whining, and reversing the decision will look very, very bad. It would basically be saying “we’re just going to reverse this qualified black lady’s decision even though she clearly had the final say and laid everything out.” That’s not a good look. There’s no accusation of quid pro quo or anything that makes sense, and the GSA decision pretty clearly explains why it chose the site it chose. Reasonable people can obviously disagree on which site was best but there’s no “slam dunk” here proving that Springfield was better.

1 person making a decision of this magnitude is not good. Albert had a simplistic rating system from best to worst-blue, green, yellow. And some very subjective language in the written reports. Figure skating is more complex than FBI headquarters? Sorry to say but it's true. https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

You don’t know anything about government operations if you think one person ever gets to unilaterally make these types of decisions. The final memo itself was signed by Albert and the GSA General Counsel. They knew this was a controversial decision and I’m sure many, many people voiced their approval before this was signed by those two figureheads.

Further, the “three person panel” y’all are crying about ALSO used a blue-green-yellow rating system. But again, this isn’t about the “process,” it’s about an outcome you don’t like.

Sorry but as I posted figure skating scoring is more complex than this slop. The blue green yellow was astoundling simplistic. I could see back up stuff in Greenbelt but nothing of mission critical or operational. Greenbelt would also be a great site for the GSA furniture etc warehouses. As I posted the FBI will still have about 1000 in DC. The fact is there are wetlands in Greenbelt and buildable land is 1.5 less acres. It's the FBI not some anchor tenant for a mixed use development or mall.

I haven’t read anything about the build able land. It seems unlikely that the land directly adjacent to a metro stop would be unbuildable wetland.

You’d think land adjacent to a metro would be in demand but clearly something is wrong with the Greenbelt site for it to still be undeveloped. There has to be a reason why private developers don’t want it and the feds are the only potential buyers.

Are there any major corporations that have decided to locate their headquarters in PG County? MoCo, Arlington, Fairfax all have Fortune 500, even 100, corporate HQs. I can’t think of a single one in PG. The county is just not perceived by the private sector as a very desirable and competitive location. But it’s apparently “close enough for government work.”

Virginia almost always wins against MD or the District in any corporate relocation competition. Maryland may have gotten tired of losing and potentially used its political influence to "win" here. If so, this will come out during the investigations.

The statement from Cardin indicating how he knew MD was going to win all along is telling. Especially when you see the comments above from Warner and Kaine expressing serious concerns about the process and politics.

It’s not “telling” to think that the site that was selected last time was going to be selected again this time.

Based on the criteria that was set in advance this time, the panel chose Springfield. This decision was changed. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has identified serious flaws with the process that will need to be investigated. The entire Congressional delegation in Virginia and the governor agree.

and the voting machines were switching votes. There were serious flaws in the voting process. So says the Insurrectionists.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire point of moving the FBI is a secured location. There isn’t going to be a macys or mall attached. Putting it on a metro stop will encourage the many spies in the DMV to ride the green line. Metro wins!

Quantico has more than just FBI training. You can’t used zoom and digitizing for all documents. China and Russia would love that!!!!

Building on a wetland? Stay tuned for less available land, issues with building etc.

Sure some people live there already but moving 10,000 plus people means you need infrastructure, housing and schools. It’s going to take years.

I see IG investigation. Construction and contracting challenges. More jobs moving to red stone. By the time funding and construction happens it will be 2035.

? there are FBI employees currently living in MD. If they picked VA, would Springfield have enough infrastructure, housing and schools to deal with what you think would be an influx of people from MD moving to VA? Or you think MD people would not move to VA if they picked Springfield, but somehow VA would be forced to move to Greenbelt.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI HQ should be closest to Quantico, ridiculous amount of wasted money transporting people to Maryland, fraud wast and abuse

I don’t understand this logic. No one says that the Pentagon should be located near USNA or West Point.

People at the current FBI building travel to Quantico multiple times a day. That will continue at the new location, wherever it is. Proximity is important.

for what? if is not training related, then whatever is going on at quantico that requires travel can be done at the new, larger and expanded hq.

There isn't buildable or useable land to move all the FBI operational/mission critical stuff from Quantico to Greenbelt. But heck, who cares if my taxes o to what should be a store/mall/condo/townhouse project for the FBI? Like a Reston. There were long reports that detail how the Greenbelt site is 50% less than Springfield. Chapter 5. Basically there is fema flood zone AE on a major portion of the acreage. What's AE? If a residence and you have a mortgage you are required to buy flood insurance.

Chapter 7 was Springfield. No constraints by wetlands.

They will just landfill the wetland, probably keep a small part of it for decorative and practical reasons (good place to stick some rain runoff).

We’ve been landfilling wetlands and coastline for nearly a century in this country. It’s not a big deal from a construction perspective.

The fact that creating a landfill at Greenbelt is still $1B cheaper than Springfield should tell you something about the Springfield site: whatever is in those warehouses is crazy sensitive and $$$$$.

It’s $40M cheaper to prep the site for construction. That doesn’t include creating a landfill to expand the limited buildable space at Greenbelt which is half the size of the Springfield site. That $1B figure is completely made up by Maryland politicians.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire point of moving the FBI is a secured location. There isn’t going to be a macys or mall attached. Putting it on a metro stop will encourage the many spies in the DMV to ride the green line. Metro wins!

Quantico has more than just FBI training. You can’t used zoom and digitizing for all documents. China and Russia would love that!!!!

Building on a wetland? Stay tuned for less available land, issues with building etc.

Sure some people live there already but moving 10,000 plus people means you need infrastructure, housing and schools. It’s going to take years.

I see IG investigation. Construction and contracting challenges. More jobs moving to red stone. By the time funding and construction happens it will be 2035.

? there are FBI employees currently living in MD. If they picked VA, would Springfield have enough infrastructure, housing and schools to deal with what you think would be an influx of people from MD moving to VA? Or you think MD people would not move to VA if they picked Springfield, but somehow VA would be forced to move to Greenbelt.

Why would they need to move when Springfield is so close to Maryland? I know several people who live near Springfield and commute to Suitland. It would be the reverse commute for people at Springfield FBI. Greenbelt is much further from Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire point of moving the FBI is a secured location. There isn’t going to be a macys or mall attached. Putting it on a metro stop will encourage the many spies in the DMV to ride the green line. Metro wins!

Quantico has more than just FBI training. You can’t used zoom and digitizing for all documents. China and Russia would love that!!!!

Building on a wetland? Stay tuned for less available land, issues with building etc.

Sure some people live there already but moving 10,000 plus people means you need infrastructure, housing and schools. It’s going to take years.

I see IG investigation. Construction and contracting challenges. More jobs moving to red stone. By the time funding and construction happens it will be 2035.

? there are FBI employees currently living in MD. If they picked VA, would Springfield have enough infrastructure, housing and schools to deal with what you think would be an influx of people from MD moving to VA? Or you think MD people would not move to VA if they picked Springfield, but somehow VA would be forced to move to Greenbelt.

Why would they need to move when Springfield is so close to Maryland? I know several people who live near Springfield and commute to Suitland. It would be the reverse commute for people at Springfield FBI. Greenbelt is much further from Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy for Maryland, happy for tax payers. All the sky is falling crap is ridiculous. NOVA is an over-paved dump full of McMansions.

Actually you described pg county. The way to attract people to live there is to build crappy shiny mcmansions where as VA has old houses people want to live in because of the school and low crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy for Maryland, happy for tax payers. All the sky is falling crap is ridiculous. NOVA is an over-paved dump full of McMansions.

Actually you described pg county. The way to attract people to live there is to build crappy shiny mcmansions where as VA has old houses people want to live in because of the school and low crime.

The people you vote for have been shouting from my TV for months about how Virginia is a crime-filled hellhole.

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Anonymous wrote:Happy for Maryland, happy for tax payers. All the sky is falling crap is ridiculous. NOVA is an over-paved dump full of McMansions.

Actually you described pg county. The way to attract people to live there is to build crappy shiny mcmansions where as VA has old houses people want to live in because of the school and low crime.

bc springfield, va is known for it's historic architecture?

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Anonymous wrote:It's the best deal for taxpayers.

Twenty five million dollars? You feel that strongly about what amounts to a rounding error?

I'm pretty sure that if you asked taxpayers the question: "Do you think the government should choose a building option that would save taxpayers $40mil?", most people, especially conservatives would say yes.

Telling taxpayers that the government made a decision based on what a government employee, and one that was appointed at that, wanted rather than what was the best use of taxpayer money would not go over well.

I'm fairly certain that in a different scenario, if they had chosen MD over VA and the cost of building in MD was going to be more than double, lots of VA people would be up in arms over it.

If the process had worked out to select MD, then everyone, including Wray and the FBI, would be satisfied. Since the process appears rigged, they're not satisfied.

When people don't like the outcome, they complain about the process.

Senator Cardin from Maryland said it best: "We knew we were going to win. It was a fair process." Seriously, who writes his talking points? He essentially admitted that the process was rigged.

I would take that to mean he knew he had the best site.

Honestly these accusations of the process being “rigged” just sound like whining, and reversing the decision will look very, very bad. It would basically be saying “we’re just going to reverse this qualified black lady’s decision even though she clearly had the final say and laid everything out.” That’s not a good look. There’s no accusation of quid pro quo or anything that makes sense, and the GSA decision pretty clearly explains why it chose the site it chose. Reasonable people can obviously disagree on which site was best but there’s no “slam dunk” here proving that Springfield was better.

1 person making a decision of this magnitude is not good. Albert had a simplistic rating system from best to worst-blue, green, yellow. And some very subjective language in the written reports. Figure skating is more complex than FBI headquarters? Sorry to say but it's true. https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

You don’t know anything about government operations if you think one person ever gets to unilaterally make these types of decisions. The final memo itself was signed by Albert and the GSA General Counsel. They knew this was a controversial decision and I’m sure many, many people voiced their approval before this was signed by those two figureheads.

Further, the “three person panel” y’all are crying about ALSO used a blue-green-yellow rating system. But again, this isn’t about the “process,” it’s about an outcome you don’t like.

Sorry but as I posted figure skating scoring is more complex than this slop. The blue green yellow was astoundling simplistic. I could see back up stuff in Greenbelt but nothing of mission critical or operational. Greenbelt would also be a great site for the GSA furniture etc warehouses. As I posted the FBI will still have about 1000 in DC. The fact is there are wetlands in Greenbelt and buildable land is 1.5 less acres. It's the FBI not some anchor tenant for a mixed use development or mall.

I haven’t read anything about the build able land. It seems unlikely that the land directly adjacent to a metro stop would be unbuildable wetland.

You’d think land adjacent to a metro would be in demand but clearly something is wrong with the Greenbelt site for it to still be undeveloped. There has to be a reason why private developers don’t want it and the feds are the only potential buyers.

Are there any major corporations that have decided to locate their headquarters in PG County? MoCo, Arlington, Fairfax all have Fortune 500, even 100, corporate HQs. I can’t think of a single one in PG. The county is just not perceived by the private sector as a very desirable and competitive location. But it’s apparently “close enough for government work.”

Virginia almost always wins against MD or the District in any corporate relocation competition. Maryland may have gotten tired of losing and potentially used its political influence to "win" here. If so, this will come out during the investigations.

The statement from Cardin indicating how he knew MD was going to win all along is telling. Especially when you see the comments above from Warner and Kaine expressing serious concerns about the process and politics.

It’s not “telling” to think that the site that was selected last time was going to be selected again this time.

Based on the criteria that was set in advance this time, the panel chose Springfield. This decision was changed. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has identified serious flaws with the process that will need to be investigated. The entire Congressional delegation in Virginia and the governor agree.

and the voting machines were switching votes. There were serious flaws in the voting process. So says the Insurrectionists.

Yeah, no. Actually it is right there on page 30 of this report: https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/FBI%20Site%20Panel%20Recommendation%20Report%20-%20Aug%202023%20-%20Final%20v2_Redacted.pdf

The consensus recommendation of the panel was Springfield. It was the site most advantageous to the Government.

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Twenty five million dollars? You feel that strongly about what amounts to a rounding error?

I'm pretty sure that if you asked taxpayers the question: "Do you think the government should choose a building option that would save taxpayers $40mil?", most people, especially conservatives would say yes.

Telling taxpayers that the government made a decision based on what a government employee, and one that was appointed at that, wanted rather than what was the best use of taxpayer money would not go over well.

I'm fairly certain that in a different scenario, if they had chosen MD over VA and the cost of building in MD was going to be more than double, lots of VA people would be up in arms over it.

If the process had worked out to select MD, then everyone, including Wray and the FBI, would be satisfied. Since the process appears rigged, they're not satisfied.

When people don't like the outcome, they complain about the process.

Senator Cardin from Maryland said it best: "We knew we were going to win. It was a fair process." Seriously, who writes his talking points? He essentially admitted that the process was rigged.

I would take that to mean he knew he had the best site.

Honestly these accusations of the process being “rigged” just sound like whining, and reversing the decision will look very, very bad. It would basically be saying “we’re just going to reverse this qualified black lady’s decision even though she clearly had the final say and laid everything out.” That’s not a good look. There’s no accusation of quid pro quo or anything that makes sense, and the GSA decision pretty clearly explains why it chose the site it chose. Reasonable people can obviously disagree on which site was best but there’s no “slam dunk” here proving that Springfield was better.

1 person making a decision of this magnitude is not good. Albert had a simplistic rating system from best to worst-blue, green, yellow. And some very subjective language in the written reports. Figure skating is more complex than FBI headquarters? Sorry to say but it's true. https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

You don’t know anything about government operations if you think one person ever gets to unilaterally make these types of decisions. The final memo itself was signed by Albert and the GSA General Counsel. They knew this was a controversial decision and I’m sure many, many people voiced their approval before this was signed by those two figureheads.

Further, the “three person panel” y’all are crying about ALSO used a blue-green-yellow rating system. But again, this isn’t about the “process,” it’s about an outcome you don’t like.

Sorry but as I posted figure skating scoring is more complex than this slop. The blue green yellow was astoundling simplistic. I could see back up stuff in Greenbelt but nothing of mission critical or operational. Greenbelt would also be a great site for the GSA furniture etc warehouses. As I posted the FBI will still have about 1000 in DC. The fact is there are wetlands in Greenbelt and buildable land is 1.5 less acres. It's the FBI not some anchor tenant for a mixed use development or mall.

I haven’t read anything about the build able land. It seems unlikely that the land directly adjacent to a metro stop would be unbuildable wetland.

You’d think land adjacent to a metro would be in demand but clearly something is wrong with the Greenbelt site for it to still be undeveloped. There has to be a reason why private developers don’t want it and the feds are the only potential buyers.

Are there any major corporations that have decided to locate their headquarters in PG County? MoCo, Arlington, Fairfax all have Fortune 500, even 100, corporate HQs. I can’t think of a single one in PG. The county is just not perceived by the private sector as a very desirable and competitive location. But it’s apparently “close enough for government work.”

Virginia almost always wins against MD or the District in any corporate relocation competition. Maryland may have gotten tired of losing and potentially used its political influence to "win" here. If so, this will come out during the investigations.

The statement from Cardin indicating how he knew MD was going to win all along is telling. Especially when you see the comments above from Warner and Kaine expressing serious concerns about the process and politics.

It’s not “telling” to think that the site that was selected last time was going to be selected again this time.

Based on the criteria that was set in advance this time, the panel chose Springfield. This decision was changed. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has identified serious flaws with the process that will need to be investigated. The entire Congressional delegation in Virginia and the governor agree.

and the voting machines were switching votes. There were serious flaws in the voting process. So says the Insurrectionists.

Yeah, no. Actually it is right there on page 30 of this report: https://www.gsa.gov/system/files/FBI%20Site%20Panel%20Recommendation%20Report%20-%20Aug%202023%20-%20Final%20v2_Redacted.pdf

The consensus recommendation of the panel was Springfield. It was the site most advantageous to the Government.

Wasn't Greenbelt selected back in 2014? What changed? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/2014/07/29/392e01da-143b-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

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How can there be OP Sec if the HQ is directly next to a metro? I wouldn’t want to be an employee getting off at that metro station.

Hopefully it will have a huge parking deck with secure entrances.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the FBI builds in Greenbelt, the PG economy will not benefit absent the Starbucks closest to the facility. FBI employees, especially GS-14 and above, live in PG County? No, everyone who can afford to live closer will choose AA or Howard counties.

Umm. I am a GS-14 and I live like 3 miles from the Greenbelt site. Half of our neighborhood are GS-13 and up. It’s a nice place to live and my house is paid off.

So is mine in Springfield and I’m a teacher and sole breadwinner. Honestly, I’m not sure I want the FBI here, and Greenbelt is nice, but PGCS are not as good as FCPS from my friend’s experiences there.

But nobody is saying "NOBODY WILL LIVE IN SPRINGFIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" In fact, quite the contrary.

I am wondering how much of the opposition to Greenbelt is due to bigotry (or specifically racism) against Prince George's County, and I'm guessing it's a lot.

Probably there's some of that. But the proximity factors are not bigoted, they're just geography.

People want to punish the FBI by making their job significantly more inconvenient. Seems like a bad thing to do to me. But you do you.

It’s very on-brand of the government to make choices that appear to save money but in the long-term create inefficiencies in agency operations and higher costs. The FBI makes about 800-900 trips to quantico per month, a commute that will now take an hour longer round trip.

You conveniently forget that they are currently making these trips with the headquarters located in the District. It’s not like they are currently located in Virginia making these trips and now relocating to Maryland. It’s roughly the same amount of time they would travel from DC to quantico that they would later travel from Greenbelt to quantico, give or take an extra fifteen minutes based on travel route.

I could care less where the HQ goes but this stupidity needs to be called out. Come back once you learn your geography and the traffic patterns around here.