Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you people picking on the fact that they were rich? I don’t understand how it’s relevant.

It’s wrong to pick on them though I do think it’s relevant. Bring rich gives people access to do some risky things that make them feel special: Private planes, trips into space, race cars, the depths of the sea…and they do a lot of these things without the knowledge or respect for the seriousness of the adventures.

I’m married to a not rich pilot. I can tell you I would never fly in a private plane and I would never think I could fly myself to my cousins wedding at night. Because I understand the training needed and how important is. Their confidence and money sometimes kill them.

The rich people are the reason this trip could take place, which was not just a sightseeing tour, it’s other purpose is to monitor the titanic site from a preservation and identification perspective.

BS. The wreck has been down there for over a century. What “preservation and identification” needs to be done now?

It's disintegrating. Soon it will be gone, by 2030 according to one estimate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/titanic-shipwreck-disappearing-dive-reveals-2019-9

So what? Why do people need to go down to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine? It can be documented with machines ie the ones seen in the titanic movie.

Additionally, it’s a shipwreck from 110 years ago. Why does it need be revisited at this point?

Why do people insist on visiting those pesky pyramids? Extremely dangerous in Egypt.

Why do all those people go to Israel to visit those sites, don’t they know how dangerous it is on that plot of land?

+ a million

How many people died visiting the pyramids in the past year?

That’s not what the comparison is about. PP doesn’t seem to understand the value of historical artifacts. “Why do we need to revisit a century old ship wreck?”

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they're found ok, and I hope they're found liable for every penny spent by anyone to rescue them.

Sadly neither of those things is going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this turns out ok, but I have to say - how much money are we spending to rescue these millionaires?? Our Coast Guard and tons of other military resources are being used to find them. I feel the same way about people who voluntarily choose to hike in dangerous areas or climb Mt. Everest. They should have to sign a waiver beforehand, agreeing that they take full responsibility and will not expect a rescue mission should something go wrong.

Or people who refuse to evacuate during a hurricane but then need rescuing putting first responders at risk. But we are a human society so we make every attempt to save a life no matter who is at fault.

A lot of those people are too poor to leave though. You’d have to sort that out first. The poorest people don’t have cars, enough money for gas, or they are so afraid of losing their job they won’t go unless their boss tells them to. And if your boss can profit off the panic, they need workers to stay.

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If something went wrong and they all panicked in that small space and expelled too much CO2, they could have all gotten carbon dioxide poisoning.

From the articles, it sounds like a team on the surface texts the sub directions and then the driver of the sub uses the game controller to follow the instructions. Isn't it possible when they lost contact with the surface team, it was so dark that the driver had no idea where they were going and went too deep?

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Anonymous wrote:If something went wrong and they all panicked in that small space and expelled too much CO2, they could have all gotten carbon dioxide poisoning.

From the articles, it sounds like a team on the surface texts the sub directions and then the driver of the sub uses the game controller to follow the instructions. Isn't it possible when they lost contact with the surface team, it was so dark that the driver had no idea where they were going and went too deep?

If the Titanic is on the ocean floor, how can you go deeper than that?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of these comments from people horrified that someone would want to see the wreck of a ship where a thousand people died. Has no one been to the World Trade Center or visited the ruins of Pompeii or the Gettysburg battlefields? All different circumstances of course but its a pretty human thing to come to do this sort of thing and consider your own mortality.

Side note: I have a 7 year old who has a mild Titanic obsession (he will not be hearing about this recent news) and we have read far too many books and seen too many documentaries about the Titanic. Interest in the Titanic is a thing!

It seems to be a common childhood phase, both of mine went through it. Unfortunately the movie Titanic is too old for young kids who are really into the Titanic. Strange mismatch.

As an engineer, I think the Titanic is one of a series of tragic events that need to be told. The Lag Megantic is another one. The Shuttle Columbia and Challenger are some more examples. Regardless of the safety protocols you design into a system, they are only as good as the people operating them.

I forget the name of the ship but I am fascinated by the story of the luxury cruise liner that came within an in ch or two of capsizing and righted, and which served as the inspiration for the movie The Poseidon Adventure.

Here it is: 5 inches from the righting angle:

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1943/10/01/88567762.pdf?pdf_redirect=true&ip=0

Paywall. What was the name of the ship?

It was the Queen Mary.

Which you can still visit - it's docked in Long Beach, California. I had one of my HS dances on that ship!

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find them alive.

This is not an evaluation of how they got into this situation or the effects of searching for them.

I may not be probable, but I hope so.

CNN is reporting that donor hears banging, so they are alive. Best case for their relatives is the navy pulls up a submersible full of bodies this weekend. Seems like a miserable way to go, but they are members of the explorers club, so danger in the service of rich guy adventures

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Anonymous wrote:If something went wrong and they all panicked in that small space and expelled too much CO2, they could have all gotten carbon dioxide poisoning.

From the articles, it sounds like a team on the surface texts the sub directions and then the driver of the sub uses the game controller to follow the instructions. Isn't it possible when they lost contact with the surface team, it was so dark that the driver had no idea where they were going and went too deep?

If the Titanic is on the ocean floor, how can you go deeper than that?

DP: The ocean floor is not level, there are many canyons, valleys etc. This is just an example:

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Anonymous wrote:Banging sounds heard are on most new outlets now.
Praying for a miracle.

Could it possibly be from the vessel at the surface? That’s like their only hope

I was thinking the same thing.

I’m reading that the noise they heard could be closer to surface. So maybe there is hope.

Let’s say they do find them before air runs out, then what? It’s not like someone can swim out and attach a tow line. Any mechanical solution would take time to implement and there is a race against the clock. I am afraid they will be found but too late to do anything about it.

I cannot begin to imagine how traumatizing this is for the families awaiting word. I’m sure they want to hold out hope, but I think knowing your loved one may be alive but unsavable would be worse than knowing they had an instant death.

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Anonymous wrote:Banging sounds heard are on most new outlets now.
Praying for a miracle.

Could it possibly be from the vessel at the surface? That’s like their only hope

I was thinking the same thing.

I’m reading that the noise they heard could be closer to surface. So maybe there is hope.

Let’s say they do find them before air runs out, then what? It’s not like someone can swim out and attach a tow line. Any mechanical solution would take time to implement and there is a race against the clock. I am afraid they will be found but too late to do anything about it.

I cannot begin to imagine how traumatizing this is for the families awaiting word. I’m sure they want to hold out hope, but I think knowing your loved one may be alive but unsavable would be worse than knowing they had an instant death.

Yeah that is sort of worst case scenario. A hull breach would actually be more humane....

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Anonymous wrote:Banging sounds heard are on most new outlets now.
Praying for a miracle.

Could it possibly be from the vessel at the surface? That’s like their only hope

I was thinking the same thing.

I’m reading that the noise they heard could be closer to surface. So maybe there is hope.

Let’s say they do find them before air runs out, then what? It’s not like someone can swim out and attach a tow line. Any mechanical solution would take time to implement and there is a race against the clock. I am afraid they will be found but too late to do anything about it.

I cannot begin to imagine how traumatizing this is for the families awaiting word. I’m sure they want to hold out hope, but I think knowing your loved one may be alive but unsavable would be worse than knowing they had an instant death.

Caveat Emptor. These were all sophisticated parties. This wasn’t a booze cruise.

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This is from yesterday. It contained some details I did not know (though I could have missed them in this long thread):

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183167120/titanic-submarine-hamish-harding

Fascinating that the company's CEO is on board! And that they had not had one successful dive (reaching the ship) yet this season!

I heard this morning on NPR (different story) that the company resisted regulations/certification that maintains safety in the rest of the industry. They felt it "stifled innovation."

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Anonymous wrote:Banging sounds heard are on most new outlets now.
Praying for a miracle.

Could it possibly be from the vessel at the surface? That’s like their only hope

I was thinking the same thing.

I’m reading that the noise they heard could be closer to surface. So maybe there is hope.

Let’s say they do find them before air runs out, then what? It’s not like someone can swim out and attach a tow line. Any mechanical solution would take time to implement and there is a race against the clock. I am afraid they will be found but too late to do anything about it.

I cannot begin to imagine how traumatizing this is for the families awaiting word. I’m sure they want to hold out hope, but I think knowing your loved one may be alive but unsavable would be worse than knowing they had an instant death.

They are bringing equipment that may help with the rescue, but a ship ride to the area takes 20 hours. The machinery must travel via ship. It will be down the wire even if they located them a make a plan to extract.

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There’s no way they are alive. This speculation is ridiculous .

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they're found ok, and I hope they're found liable for every penny spent by anyone to rescue them.

Sadly neither of those things is going to happen.

Why keep harping on the money? Of course they can afford their own rescue and would gladly pay for it given the option. It's not their fault if the Coast Guard doesn't bill them.