Biden strikes out with King Manchin

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Anonymous wrote:BBB isn’t popular in West Virginia but the actual policies in it are. Just like the actual policies in the ACA poll better than “Obamacare”. Gah, around and around we go.

This will never get old.

Democrats: "Would you like a Ferrari?"
Voter: "Sure!"

Democrats: "It will cost $36,000." (Lying, it is actually $360,000 spread over 10 years)
Voter: "Um, my Corolla still works fine."

THANK YOU. That's that's exactly what the Biden administration did and thought we were too stupid to notice.

Democrats: "Would you like a Ferrari?"
Voter: "Sure! How much does it cost?"

Democrats: "Well, you get new fenders, all leather seats, satelite radio, remote start..."
Voter: "Yeah, yeah but HOW MUCH?"

Democrats: "O% With 0% financing too."
Voter: "Zero? Really?"

Democrats: "Yes! Absolutely! Trust us"
Voter: "Okay, can I see the contract?"

Democrats: "Ummm, the printer is firing up. Give us a week but you can sign and roll off the lot same day."
Voter: "Sounds like a deal!"

....comes back a week later

Democrats: "Well, actually it'll will cost $36,000. Here's the contract with extra small fine print" (Lying, it is actually $360,000 spread over 10 years)
Voter: "Um, my Corolla still works fine."

Except it’s all paid for by millionaires and billionaires but just a little bit more- and still far less than their fair share.

The billionaires refused to pay remember? Which means its really paid for by the UMC and anyone foolish enough not to have children. Screw that.

And the country died because wealthy refused to pay taxes.

We are literally the richest country in the world because those billionaire corporations pay taxes to the U.S. government. Shut up.

I just reported this as telling someone to shut up is uncalled for.

Oh but saying democracy is dying because you're not getting a monthly free money deposit is A-okay?

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Anonymous wrote:We need a constitution that is living, breathing and works for “we the people” not “we the rich old guys.”

We need to reform the court.

No, we need citizens who understand the Constitution, and the three branches of government.
Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean we reform the court.

All the Democrats want is power. Their agenda proves it.

Lol, Jan 6th coup plotters say what?

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Anonymous wrote:We need a constitution that is living, breathing and works for “we the people” not “we the rich old guys.”

We need to reform the court.

No, we need citizens who understand the Constitution, and the three branches of government.
Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean we reform the court.

All the Democrats want is power. Their agenda proves it.

Lol, Jan 6th coup plotters say what?

Get a clue and give it up. That whole thing was a false flag set up. There was no widespread conspiracy to overthrow the government... Read this article. It's the single best piece of detailed, investigative journalism out there. Ask yourself why it might be that the FBi and Jan 6th commission have no/minimal interest in any of these particular people. And before you poopoo the source, I want you to let me know specifically what inaccuracies are in their article.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

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Anonymous wrote:States or areas with uneducated ignorant takers like WV should be punished through having less than equal shares of voting power compared to those areas that produce wealth, knowledge, and leadership, particularly when it comes to social spending. Democracy comes with responsibility and people similar to those in WV cannot handle the it.

LMAO Are you even American?

You literally just reiterated a system of governance that sparked off the Boston Tea Party and the Declaration of Independence.

Got to love to self-important UMC urban dwellers who think they are owed thousands in free money every month and will take away your power to participate in democracy if they don't get it.

Wait a second there skippy. What we have now is a system of government where the majority’s voice does not count. Seriously 290k voters in WVa can hijack and hold for ransom the rest of the country. It’s not a workable system. We do need to totally scrap the system in place. The Tyranny of the Minority must end.

Its the system the Founding Fathers set up when Boston had a population of 15,000 and West Virginia wasn't even formed for another hundred years. You think they didn't imagine this? What's more - you think the red state voters give a damned what you want? Get your head out of your ass.

Where in the Constitution is the filibuster?

You realize this isn't a filibuster issue, right?

Without Manchin the Democrats have 49 votes.

Actually, nevermind, this obviously isn't about facts for you, carry on...

If this was a 51-50 propostiion, then different GOP senators could be courted for different issues. There are elements that people liek Collins, Murkowski and Romney would each be supportive of without Manchin, but that isn't how it works anymore, so yes, the filibuster is deeply in play.

HAHAHA. So you admit it isn’t just Manchin? Sienna and some untold others are involved but don’t want to speak up? Lolololol. Guess it isn’t just old Joe holding up the bill, then!

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Anonymous wrote:States or areas with uneducated ignorant takers like WV should be punished through having less than equal shares of voting power compared to those areas that produce wealth, knowledge, and leadership, particularly when it comes to social spending. Democracy comes with responsibility and people similar to those in WV cannot handle the it.

LMAO Are you even American?

You literally just reiterated a system of governance that sparked off the Boston Tea Party and the Declaration of Independence.

Got to love to self-important UMC urban dwellers who think they are owed thousands in free money every month and will take away your power to participate in democracy if they don't get it.

Wait a second there skippy. What we have now is a system of government where the majority’s voice does not count. Seriously 290k voters in WVa can hijack and hold for ransom the rest of the country. It’s not a workable system. We do need to totally scrap the system in place. The Tyranny of the Minority must end.

Its the system the Founding Fathers set up when Boston had a population of 15,000 and West Virginia wasn't even formed for another hundred years. You think they didn't imagine this? What's more - you think the red state voters give a damned what you want? Get your head out of your ass.

Where in the Constitution is the filibuster?

You realize this isn't a filibuster issue, right?

Without Manchin the Democrats have 49 votes.

Actually, nevermind, this obviously isn't about facts for you, carry on...

If this was a 51-50 propostiion, then different GOP senators could be courted for different issues. There are elements that people liek Collins, Murkowski and Romney would each be supportive of without Manchin, but that isn't how it works anymore, so yes, the filibuster is deeply in play.

HAHAHA. So you admit it isn’t just Manchin? Sienna and some untold others are involved but don’t want to speak up? Lolololol. Guess it isn’t just old Joe holding up the bill, then!

*Sinema. Autocorrect isn’t a fan.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how no one has brought up that Manchin offered a $1.8B counteroffer with - 10-year funded Pre-K, Climate, and subsidized ACA.

The White House didn't agree to it, therefore the BBB was dead. End of.

Maybe the White House should have been working through the night lining up support in both chambers of Congress instead of sniping via surrogates on national TV?

Manchin’s private proposal to the White House — the details of which have not been previously reported — was made just days before a spectacular public collapse in negotiations between the White House and the senator, marked by bitter and personal recriminations that left the status of the talks unclear.

The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda.

As per the above "The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda."

So he undercut it by going on tv and saying he would not support the bill.

I am going to believe Manchin over the WH or machine. Manchin gets what people think of his state including the horrible comments on this thread. Thank you Senator Manchin for putting your state over all the cocktail parties you will not be invited to by standing your ground.

Cocktail parties in WV. A bud light gulped from a glass instead of guzzling it from a tall boy wrapped in a brown paper bag.

Keep it up. Not only are you demonstrating the hatefulness that we have seen all too prevalent with many liberals.... you are also demonstrating your ignorance about W Va.

Relax. There are very few pictures on here so I doubt people from WV are “reading” the posts.

Love this post! Keep digging your grave! —West Virginian who went to Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need a constitution that is living, breathing and works for “we the people” not “we the rich old guys.”

We need to reform the court.

No, we need citizens who understand the Constitution, and the three branches of government.
Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean we reform the court.

All the Democrats want is power. Their agenda proves it.

Lol, Jan 6th coup plotters say what?

Get a clue and give it up. That whole thing was a false flag set up. There was no widespread conspiracy to overthrow the government... Read this article. It's the single best piece of detailed, investigative journalism out there. Ask yourself why it might be that the FBi and Jan 6th commission have no/minimal interest in any of these particular people. And before you poopoo the source, I want you to let me know specifically what inaccuracies are in their article.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

OMFG. Comet Pizza doesn't have a basement.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need a constitution that is living, breathing and works for “we the people” not “we the rich old guys.”

We need to reform the court.

No, we need citizens who understand the Constitution, and the three branches of government.
Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean we reform the court.

All the Democrats want is power. Their agenda proves it.

Lol, Jan 6th coup plotters say what?

Get a clue and give it up. That whole thing was a false flag set up. There was no widespread conspiracy to overthrow the government... Read this article. It's the single best piece of detailed, investigative journalism out there. Ask yourself why it might be that the FBi and Jan 6th commission have no/minimal interest in any of these particular people. And before you poopoo the source, I want you to let me know specifically what inaccuracies are in their article.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

Only read a few bits of it and immediately started laughing. What a complete bullshit piece, claiming that geezer Ray Epps planned everything.

The biggest glaring problem is that there is a ton of social media posting and messaging from those involved in 1/6 that long predates when Ray Epps even showed up on the scene. There were claims that he was an FBI agent but the idiots who said that seem unaware that he's TOO OLD. FBI has mandatory retirement of agents at age 57. Also I watched the footage of Ray Epps - most of the participants weren't even paying attention to him. He was just there on his own, bumbling around like the nutty old geezer that he is.

The whole theory that Epps was some kind of FBI mastermind behind it all is as kooky as the "Antifa" claims were.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how no one has brought up that Manchin offered a $1.8B counteroffer with - 10-year funded Pre-K, Climate, and subsidized ACA.

The White House didn't agree to it, therefore the BBB was dead. End of.

Maybe the White House should have been working through the night lining up support in both chambers of Congress instead of sniping via surrogates on national TV?

Manchin’s private proposal to the White House — the details of which have not been previously reported — was made just days before a spectacular public collapse in negotiations between the White House and the senator, marked by bitter and personal recriminations that left the status of the talks unclear.

The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda.

As per the above "The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda."

So he undercut it by going on tv and saying he would not support the bill.

I am going to believe Manchin over the WH or machine. Manchin gets what people think of his state including the horrible comments on this thread. Thank you Senator Manchin for putting your state over all the cocktail parties you will not be invited to by standing your ground.

Cocktail parties in WV. A bud light gulped from a glass instead of guzzling it from a tall boy wrapped in a brown paper bag.

Keep it up. Not only are you demonstrating the hatefulness that we have seen all too prevalent with many liberals.... you are also demonstrating your ignorance about W Va.

Relax. There are very few pictures on here so I doubt people from WV are “reading” the posts.

Love this post! Keep digging your grave! —West Virginian who went to Harvard

If that's true then you are very much out of touch with your neighbors - West Virginia is in the bottom 10 states for high school graduates and is dead last of all states in terms of percentage who have gotten at least a bachelor's degree.

But here you are, denying WV's poor record and accusing people of hatefulness for pointing out actual facts.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to save our democracy- keep fighting for build back better.

Please stop equating the loss of democracy with you not getting paid $1,000s a month to have children. It's not that serious. In fact, its offensive to suggest it.

As a trans woman, I am not fighting for my own children; I am fighting for poor children.

Poor children that already get TANF, WIC, FARM, SNAP, Medicaid, and a host of other plans?

TANF, WIC, FARM, SNAP, Medicaid, and a host of other plans cost VASTLY MORE than free birth control. Yet we get staunch Republican fiscal irresponsibility opposing free birth control. That's yet another reason why I have zero respect for Republicans whining about what social programs cost.

Amazing how Republicans absolutely cannot bring themselves to admit such a glaring fact.

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Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I'll believe that when I hear it from Manchin's lips. Not believing a HuffPo story using only anonymous sources.

Yeah, right. Like Manchin is going to state this publicly.

They had 2 different sources confirm it. I believe it. Sounds absolutely legit that someone as wealthy and out of touch as Manchin would have such an opinion of his constituents. Why else would he ignore the overwhelming public approval of the BBB among West Virginians?

You are so out of touch on this forum. I am from WV. He’s right, and trying to fight the opioid crisis is a huge issue back home. His constituents won’t be offended at all, they want their family members to stop dying of overdoses.

Also, 74 percent of WVians oppose BBB. What overwhelming majority?

Who f’ing cares? Manchin got 290,510 votes. He got 49.6% of the vote. 80 million people voted for Biden. Under 1% of the voters can veto the other 99%. You think this is a workable system? No it is not.

WV native. People love him because he is normal. A lot of people know him and he is very personable. He really doesn’t care what AOC things and she would have nothing to do with regular WV people. That is just facts. BBB is not good for WV and that is why he said no. He is a politician with integrity. Many people cross the line to vote for him. He was also a wonderful Governor. People care about their gas prices, their food costs -they do not care about electric cars and why in the world would regular WV want to get rid of energy industry. FYI people need to stop making fun of WV-it is a beautiful state. Come visit.

+1 I'm not from W VA but agree with what you've said about Manchin and people's concerns in his home state. When I read an earlier comment with the descriptor "inbred," it showed the ignorance, bias, and condescending attitude of that poster.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how no one has brought up that Manchin offered a $1.8B counteroffer with - 10-year funded Pre-K, Climate, and subsidized ACA.

The White House didn't agree to it, therefore the BBB was dead. End of.

Maybe the White House should have been working through the night lining up support in both chambers of Congress instead of sniping via surrogates on national TV?

Manchin’s private proposal to the White House — the details of which have not been previously reported — was made just days before a spectacular public collapse in negotiations between the White House and the senator, marked by bitter and personal recriminations that left the status of the talks unclear.

The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda.

I think it's completely sick that West Virginia has one of the nation's highest rates of child poverty yet Manchin turned his back on and spat on those WV families in need.
He is truly despicable and YES, he DOES work against his constituents' interests.

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"If they're hungry, they should go work in my family's coal mines."

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Well Manchin told colleagues he thinks his constituents will spend child tax credit money on drugs, so he has a dim view of them himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-build-back-better-child-tax-credit-drugs_n_61bf8f6be4b061afe394006d?gxj

In recent months, Manchin has told several of his fellow Democrats that he thought parents would waste monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing for their children, according to two sources familiar with the senator’s comments.

Continuing the child tax credit for another year is a core part of the Build Back Better legislation that Democrats had hoped to pass by the end of the year. The policy has already cut child poverty by nearly 30%.

Manchin’s private comments shocked several senators, who saw it as an unfair assault on his own constituents and those struggling to raise children in poverty.

Manchin has also told colleagues he believes that Americans would fraudulently use the proposed paid sick leave policy, specifically saying people would feign being sick and go on hunting trips, a source familiar with his comments told HuffPost.

I'll believe that when I hear it from Manchin's lips. Not believing a HuffPo story using only anonymous sources.

Yeah, right. Like Manchin is going to state this publicly.

They had 2 different sources confirm it. I believe it. Sounds absolutely legit that someone as wealthy and out of touch as Manchin would have such an opinion of his constituents. Why else would he ignore the overwhelming public approval of the BBB among West Virginians?

You are so out of touch on this forum. I am from WV. He’s right, and trying to fight the opioid crisis is a huge issue back home. His constituents won’t be offended at all, they want their family members to stop dying of overdoses.

Also, 74 percent of WVians oppose BBB. What overwhelming majority?

Who f’ing cares? Manchin got 290,510 votes. He got 49.6% of the vote. 80 million people voted for Biden. Under 1% of the voters can veto the other 99%. You think this is a workable system? No it is not.

WV native. People love him because he is normal. A lot of people know him and he is very personable. He really doesn’t care what AOC things and she would have nothing to do with regular WV people. That is just facts. BBB is not good for WV and that is why he said no. He is a politician with integrity. Many people cross the line to vote for him. He was also a wonderful Governor. People care about their gas prices, their food costs -they do not care about electric cars and why in the world would regular WV want to get rid of energy industry. FYI people need to stop making fun of WV-it is a beautiful state. Come visit.

+1 I'm not from W VA but agree with what you've said about Manchin and people's concerns in his home state. When I read an earlier comment with the descriptor "inbred," it showed the ignorance, bias, and condescending attitude of that poster.

"Inbred" is vicious and uncalled for - but one has to wonder if there is something wrong with West Virginians, given they trail so far behind the rest of the nation where it comes to finishing high school, getting college degrees, they are among the worst in the nation where it comes to child poverty, they have the lowest life expectancy of any state, they trail in healthcare, are among the worst for infant mortality, but even if you're a sociopath who doesn't care about those social and quality-of-life issues, they are far behind on all of those supposed Republican values of succeeding in business and building wealth as well. They keep voting for conservatives who hold them down and do absolutely nothing to help them on any of those areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how no one has brought up that Manchin offered a $1.8B counteroffer with - 10-year funded Pre-K, Climate, and subsidized ACA.

The White House didn't agree to it, therefore the BBB was dead. End of.

Maybe the White House should have been working through the night lining up support in both chambers of Congress instead of sniping via surrogates on national TV?

Manchin’s private proposal to the White House — the details of which have not been previously reported — was made just days before a spectacular public collapse in negotiations between the White House and the senator, marked by bitter and personal recriminations that left the status of the talks unclear.

The White House was weighing how to respond to Manchin’s proposal last week when on Sunday he told Fox News that he would be unable to support the current version of Democrats’ Build Back Better agenda.

I think it's completely sick that West Virginia has one of the nation's highest rates of child poverty yet Manchin turned his back on and spat on those WV families in need.
He is truly despicable and YES, he DOES work against his constituents' interests.

Yawn. That statement means nothing. You know why? There are no children in West Virginia.

It has one of the LOWEST number of children per population in the entire country and one of the fewest in the nation overall. So when Manchin says his constituents don't care?

THEY REALLY DON'T CARE about the BBB bill. Because let's be honest what does it do for anyone who doesn't have children?

Out of 50 states, West Virginia (excluding the District of Columbia) is #40 for number of children under the age of 5. They have 95,000 total.

Out of 50 states, West Virginia (excluding the District of Columbia) also ranks #40 for number of children under the age of 18. They have 364,000 total.

That's out of a total population exceeding 1,800,000 million. They don't f**king care.

https://www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-child-population-tables/

Citation: Children's Defense Fund - Table 1: Child Population by Age and Race/Ethnicity, 2018

If you're curious California, Colorado, Arizona, Georgia, Florida, Illinois, New York, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Tennesse, and Washington have the most kids overall.