Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

+1000

And over those 20 years, Hamas chose to steal money from the Palestinian people, chose to ignore economic development or other more productive and fruitful endeavors and instead chose to use all of its money and resources to scheme and plot and plan for something that they had to know would never succeed and would instead result in destruction and chaos and heartbreak.

And yet people want to say "Oh but the IDF is just creating another generation of hate" - so what else is new, and how did that work out for the last generation of hate? Not well. And if anything the lesson to be learned is that it will only get worse for Palestinians if they continue down that path. It's time the Palestinians abandon failed approaches of hate and move on.

The Russian military trained and armed Hamas (together with Iran) for the past 17 years.

We saw very similar brutal tactics against innocents in both Ukraine and Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all the pro Israel’ers would happily give up their homes if a bunch of migrants from Guatemala and Mexico came to your neighborhood and forcibly expelled you and your neighbors on the premise their ancestors are indigenous Americans from thousands of years ago

I agree.

Texans should start shooting undocumented immigrants who squat on their land. /s

Fascinating when the far left sounds like MAGA.

Who says we are far left? Not everyone supporting Palestine is far left.

It makes the pro Israeli types happy to think everyone who is not on board with killing 2.3 million people are leftist. It is the same reason the right wing government of Israel did not help or try to get the hostages out. The hostages are from traditionally “leftists” area. There is no place for anyone who is not a right wing zealot in Israel.

The majority of American Jews are way too liberal for Israel according to them. There are true Jew and auto-antisemite. All the posters using terms like leftist or liberal are the same ones calling people self-hatred and auto-antisemites.

Your Google translate is broken.

If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell. Screaming antisemitics, leftists and your google translation is broken. You use that one 3 or 4 times a day.

One would think all able bodied men in Israel are fighting Hamas but then there is you hiding behind your keyboard. You Haredim alway scream the loudest pointing your finger at who should be killed from way in the back.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

+1000

And over those 20 years, Hamas chose to steal money from the Palestinian people, chose to ignore economic development or other more productive and fruitful endeavors and instead chose to use all of its money and resources to scheme and plot and plan for something that they had to know would never succeed and would instead result in destruction and chaos and heartbreak.

And yet people want to say "Oh but the IDF is just creating another generation of hate" - so what else is new, and how did that work out for the last generation of hate? Not well. And if anything the lesson to be learned is that it will only get worse for Palestinians if they continue down that path. It's time the Palestinians abandon failed approaches of hate and move on.

The Russian military trained and armed Hamas (together with Iran) for the past 17 years.

We saw very similar brutal tactics against innocents in both Ukraine and Israel.

No Israel = Russia. The Ukrainians are innocent and want to join the western world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Well put. Most Jews in the US feel confusion and sadness and in the DMV largely hate BiBi and wish settlers would stop. But that is a far cry from supporting Palestine. PP’s “Jewish friends” are also likely just saying what they feel is safe to say to PP.

I am PP to whom you are referring.

I never said they support Hamas but they support innocent Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children.

No one I know supports Hamas or justifies their brutal tactics. Everyone is heart broken for the families of the hostages and for the horrific treatment of innocent Israelis on October 7.

But the IDF disproportionate response in Gaza is making Israel less safe not more safe. That is common sense. Over 23 k have died, many more injured and hundreds of thousands face starvation. Other Muslims in the region are now rallying to defend the Palestinians who remain. It is escalating due to IDF’s disproportionate response even though none of the neighbors apart from Iran wanted to get directly involved in the conflict.

We need more humanity shown to all innocent civilians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all the pro Israel’ers would happily give up their homes if a bunch of migrants from Guatemala and Mexico came to your neighborhood and forcibly expelled you and your neighbors on the premise their ancestors are indigenous Americans from thousands of years ago

I agree.

Texans should start shooting undocumented immigrants who squat on their land. /s

Fascinating when the far left sounds like MAGA.

Who says we are far left? Not everyone supporting Palestine is far left.

It makes the pro Israeli types happy to think everyone who is not on board with killing 2.3 million people are leftist. It is the same reason the right wing government of Israel did not help or try to get the hostages out. The hostages are from traditionally “leftists” area. There is no place for anyone who is not a right wing zealot in Israel.

The majority of American Jews are way too liberal for Israel according to them. There are true Jew and auto-antisemite. All the posters using terms like leftist or liberal are the same ones calling people self-hatred and auto-antisemites.

Your Google translate is broken.

If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell. Screaming antisemitics, leftists and your google translation is broken. You use that one 3 or 4 times a day.

One would think all able bodied men in Israel are fighting Hamas but then there is you hiding behind your keyboard. You Haredim alway scream the loudest pointing your finger at who should be killed from way in the back.

Thank you for illustrating. Much appreciated.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

+1000

And over those 20 years, Hamas chose to steal money from the Palestinian people, chose to ignore economic development or other more productive and fruitful endeavors and instead chose to use all of its money and resources to scheme and plot and plan for something that they had to know would never succeed and would instead result in destruction and chaos and heartbreak.

And yet people want to say "Oh but the IDF is just creating another generation of hate" - so what else is new, and how did that work out for the last generation of hate? Not well. And if anything the lesson to be learned is that it will only get worse for Palestinians if they continue down that path. It's time the Palestinians abandon failed approaches of hate and move on.

The Russian military trained and armed Hamas (together with Iran) for the past 17 years.

We saw very similar brutal tactics against innocents in both Ukraine and Israel.

No Israel = Russia. The Ukrainians are innocent and want to join the western world.

Yes completely agree. Putin exploited the Israeli Palestinian conflict over a very long time (which is weird since so many Israelis are of a Russian descent and speak Russian).

Completely agree Ukrainians are innocent and fighting valiantly for their freedom.

Russian Wagner soldiers trained Hamas in their brutal tactics. Putin sought to exploit the conflicting to undermine US standing in the region and to argue Russia is a peacemaker in the region when it really made a terrible situation much worse. He also sought to take Workd attention off his illegal war in Ukraine to buy himself more time and undermine western support for funding Ukraine’s military self defense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Like many who have posted here, I suspect (based on my experience reading hundreds and hundreds of posts), I don’t have to support the Palestinian “side” to oppose the Israeli “side” and what’s been happening in the Middle East over the past 75 years.

There’s no burden on me. Actual facts are facts, and below are several …

This conflict didn’t begin on 10/7/2023.

Arab groups (including several states) have initiated conflict with Israel over the past 75 years, including on 10/7.

Over those 75 years, Israel has violated international laws in attacking Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. during that timeframe, going so far as to attack U.S. naval assets and kill U.S. sailors in the process.

The Palestinian “side” has sustained casualties in this decades-long conflict that dwarf the casualties sustained by the Israeli “side”.

This decades-long conflict has directly benefitted the Zionist movement, as evidenced by the expanded footprint of the State of Israel in 2024.

Pro-Israeli lobbying in the U.S. actively seeks to influence U.S. foreign policy (and public opinion) in favor of Israel.

Those are all facts. And here are two opinions: The Palestinian leadership is horrendous. So is the Israeli leadership.

Painting everyone critical of the actions of Israel as a supporter of the other “side” is incorrect, and really, just a foolhardy attempt to disqualify their arguments that you don’t like.

[Anonymous]

Israel is forbidding doctors and other healthcare staff from speaking with the UN committee under the UN council for Human Rights that is investigating the Oct. 7 attacks.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-forbids-doctors-from-speaking-to-un-group-investigating-oct-7-atrocities/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is forbidding doctors and other healthcare staff from speaking with the UN committee under the UN council for Human Rights that is investigating the Oct. 7 attacks.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/government-forbids-doctors-from-speaking-to-un-group-investigating-oct-7-atrocities/

Deplorable. Israel is a fascist state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Like many who have posted here, I suspect (based on my experience reading hundreds and hundreds of posts), I don’t have to support the Palestinian “side” to oppose the Israeli “side” and what’s been happening in the Middle East over the past 75 years.

There’s no burden on me. Actual facts are facts, and below are several …

This conflict didn’t begin on 10/7/2023.

Arab groups (including several states) have initiated conflict with Israel over the past 75 years, including on 10/7.

Over those 75 years, Israel has violated international laws in attacking Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. during that timeframe, going so far as to attack U.S. naval assets and kill U.S. sailors in the process.

The Palestinian “side” has sustained casualties in this decades-long conflict that dwarf the casualties sustained by the Israeli “side”.

This decades-long conflict has directly benefitted the Zionist movement, as evidenced by the expanded footprint of the State of Israel in 2024.

Pro-Israeli lobbying in the U.S. actively seeks to influence U.S. foreign policy (and public opinion) in favor of Israel.

Those are all facts. And here are two opinions: The Palestinian leadership is horrendous. So is the Israeli leadership.

Painting everyone critical of the actions of Israel as a supporter of the other “side” is incorrect, and really, just a foolhardy attempt to disqualify their arguments that you don’t like.

PP here. I agree with much (not all) of the above, but it doesn't really address what I wrote. That's why I put "side" in quotes in my original post.

Fact is, you are not representative of many of those advocating for the Palestinian "side". At all.

That's the key point here.

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And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

That’s because every death is a Gazan civilian to you. They don’t wear uniforms and there are 20-30,000 Hamas operatives in Gaza. Israel estimates that 8,000 Hamas terrorists were killed. Again, it took Israel months to count 1200 dead but Hamas run healthcare which is supposed to be in total shambles, is somehow able to give real life updates on the numbers killed. If Israel’s estimates are correct and Hamas estimates are also correct the daily killed are 157 per day. No one is ever going to know the true number. We still don’t know how many were killed in Fallujah . Coalition forces estimate 10k while Iraqi sources estimate 40,000.

By the same token, Israel has no way of knowing whether 8,000 Hamas have been killed. This is a state that wasn't able to gather enough intelligence to prevent 10/7 and bumbled its response on that day by killing hundreds of its own civilians. There's no reason to believe its intelligence services have gotten any better in the past three months. It has not rescued a single hostage and has managed to kill off a few. The only hostages actually rescued were saved by Qatar's negotiations. Apart from its consummate incompetence, Israel has lied so often that it has lost all credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

+1000

And over those 20 years, Hamas chose to steal money from the Palestinian people, chose to ignore economic development or other more productive and fruitful endeavors and instead chose to use all of its money and resources to scheme and plot and plan for something that they had to know would never succeed and would instead result in destruction and chaos and heartbreak.

And yet people want to say "Oh but the IDF is just creating another generation of hate" - so what else is new, and how did that work out for the last generation of hate? Not well. And if anything the lesson to be learned is that it will only get worse for Palestinians if they continue down that path. It's time the Palestinians abandon failed approaches of hate and move on.

The Russian military trained and armed Hamas (together with Iran) for the past 17 years.

We saw very similar brutal tactics against innocents in both Ukraine and Israel.

No Israel = Russia. The Ukrainians are innocent and want to join the western world.

Hamas is a terrorist group aligned with Iran and Russia and has no interest whatsoever in Democracy or the west. Like Russia they also chose to launch a failed invasion.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

Lies, lies and more lies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

That’s because every death is a Gazan civilian to you. They don’t wear uniforms and there are 20-30,000 Hamas operatives in Gaza. Israel estimates that 8,000 Hamas terrorists were killed. Again, it took Israel months to count 1200 dead but Hamas run healthcare which is supposed to be in total shambles, is somehow able to give real life updates on the numbers killed. If Israel’s estimates are correct and Hamas estimates are also correct the daily killed are 157 per day. No one is ever going to know the true number. We still don’t know how many were killed in Fallujah . Coalition forces estimate 10k while Iraqi sources estimate 40,000.

They count the death certificates.

To your charge that "they don't count the dead terrorists", I say that the world never stopped saying "1200 innocent civilians", when a good chunk of the 1200 were in fact IDF personnel. Yes, including women.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

That’s because every death is a Gazan civilian to you. They don’t wear uniforms and there are 20-30,000 Hamas operatives in Gaza. Israel estimates that 8,000 Hamas terrorists were killed. Again, it took Israel months to count 1200 dead but Hamas run healthcare which is supposed to be in total shambles, is somehow able to give real life updates on the numbers killed. If Israel’s estimates are correct and Hamas estimates are also correct the daily killed are 157 per day. No one is ever going to know the true number. We still don’t know how many were killed in Fallujah . Coalition forces estimate 10k while Iraqi sources estimate 40,000.

By the same token, Israel has no way of knowing whether 8,000 Hamas have been killed. This is a state that wasn't able to gather enough intelligence to prevent 10/7 and bumbled its response on that day by killing hundreds of its own civilians. There's no reason to believe its intelligence services have gotten any better in the past three months. It has not rescued a single hostage and has managed to kill off a few. The only hostages actually rescued were saved by Qatar's negotiations. Apart from its consummate incompetence, Israel has lied so often that it has lost all credibility.

They actually did gather enough intelligence to know that a 10/7 event was in the works. What's worse is they just let it happen, then blamed everyone else for it.