Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

In fact, Palestinians called the White House and wrote letters and begged President Bush and Israel to have Hamas banned from elections for fear they’d lead to terror attacks and allow Al Qaeda (then hot on the scene in 2006) in Gaza.


Palestinians warned Israel and the U.S. about Hamas but no one listened. They won a low turnout and rigged election where only their zealots voted

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

Have you looked at photos of Bakhmut? Avdiika? Marinka? Mosul? Fallujah?

It's war.

And urban warfare is the worst.

Perhaps you could tell me why Hamas launched this war? Still don't understand what the strategic purpose was here.

Hamas invades Israel on a quiet Saturday morning, murders a bunch of kids at a music festival. Murders a bunch of peaceniks living on kibbutzes. These are pretty much the most liberal people in Israel. And Hamas slaughtered more than 1200. Then they raped and tortured innumerable women, killing most of them. Breaking their pelvises. Beheading them. Stabbing them. Shooting these women in the head as they violated them. Then they injure thousands more. Then they kidnapped 250 people, including kids and the elderly.

All before noon.

Have you looked at those photos?

What was the purpose?

Question for all you people posting here.

What was the purpose?

The purpose was killing Jews, obvs. That's what Hamas is for. That's their whole purpose.

No it isn’t

True. Hamas also wants to kill Rotarians.

From the 1988 Charter:

the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take.

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."

And then there's this chestnut:

For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

How does that even remotely relate to the topic above?

Who's engaged in propaganda?

FWIW, I absolutely support more humanitarian aid for Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

The daily death toll in Ukraine is much higher. Closer to 1500-2000 every single day. But there it's mostly uniformed soldiers on the front lines. Not even Russians would do what Hamas did.

Israel was out of Gaza for nearly twenty years when Hamas invaded. Most people in Gaza had never seen a settler or an Israeli soldier in their entire lives. And absolutely no one in Israel was talking about creating settlements in Gaza. Palestinians in Gaza have been free to do as they please since 2005. Unfortunately they chose Hamas. And this is where Hamas has led them - Gaza in ruins, international pariahs, isolation, and years of misery to look forward to. Might have been a mistake choosing a genocidal terrorist regime to lead them.

From the 10/7 videos, Palestinians in Gaza sure were enthusiastic about their invasion of Israel and their loot of hostages. Hope it was worth it for them.

+1000

And over those 20 years, Hamas chose to steal money from the Palestinian people, chose to ignore economic development or other more productive and fruitful endeavors and instead chose to use all of its money and resources to scheme and plot and plan for something that they had to know would never succeed and would instead result in destruction and chaos and heartbreak.

And yet people want to say "Oh but the IDF is just creating another generation of hate" - so what else is new, and how did that work out for the last generation of hate? Not well. And if anything the lesson to be learned is that it will only get worse for Palestinians if they continue down that path. It's time the Palestinians abandon failed approaches of hate and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

How does that even remotely relate to the topic above?

Who's engaged in propaganda?

FWIW, I absolutely support more humanitarian aid for Gaza.

I likewise support more humanitarian aid to Gaza. But can Hamas be trusted to not steal it from the people who need it? Can Hamas be trusted to not use it as a way to smuggle in weapons and ammunition? Hamas cannot be trusted on anything. And that slows down humanitarian aid.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope all the pro Israel’ers would happily give up their homes if a bunch of migrants from Guatemala and Mexico came to your neighborhood and forcibly expelled you and your neighbors on the premise their ancestors are indigenous Americans from thousands of years ago

I agree.

Texans should start shooting undocumented immigrants who squat on their land. /s

Fascinating when the far left sounds like MAGA.

Who says we are far left? Not everyone supporting Palestine is far left.

It makes the pro Israeli types happy to think everyone who is not on board with killing 2.3 million people are leftist. It is the same reason the right wing government of Israel did not help or try to get the hostages out. The hostages are from traditionally “leftists” area. There is no place for anyone who is not a right wing zealot in Israel.

The majority of American Jews are way too liberal for Israel according to them. There are true Jew and auto-antisemite. All the posters using terms like leftist or liberal are the same ones calling people self-hatred and auto-antisemites.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

How does that even remotely relate to the topic above?

Who's engaged in propaganda?

FWIW, I absolutely support more humanitarian aid for Gaza.

I likewise support more humanitarian aid to Gaza. But can Hamas be trusted to not steal it from the people who need it? Can Hamas be trusted to not use it as a way to smuggle in weapons and ammunition? Hamas cannot be trusted on anything. And that slows down humanitarian aid.

Absolutely true, but at this point it's a risk that Israel should take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope all the pro Israel’ers would happily give up their homes if a bunch of migrants from Guatemala and Mexico came to your neighborhood and forcibly expelled you and your neighbors on the premise their ancestors are indigenous Americans from thousands of years ago

I agree.

Texans should start shooting undocumented immigrants who squat on their land. /s

Fascinating when the far left sounds like MAGA.

Who says we are far left? Not everyone supporting Palestine is far left.

It makes the pro Israeli types happy to think everyone who is not on board with killing 2.3 million people are leftist. It is the same reason the right wing government of Israel did not help or try to get the hostages out. The hostages are from traditionally “leftists” area. There is no place for anyone who is not a right wing zealot in Israel.

The majority of American Jews are way too liberal for Israel according to them. There are true Jew and auto-antisemite. All the posters using terms like leftist or liberal are the same ones calling people self-hatred and auto-antisemites.

Your Google translate is broken.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

How does that even remotely relate to the topic above?

Who's engaged in propaganda?

FWIW, I absolutely support more humanitarian aid for Gaza.

I likewise support more humanitarian aid to Gaza. But can Hamas be trusted to not steal it from the people who need it? Can Hamas be trusted to not use it as a way to smuggle in weapons and ammunition? Hamas cannot be trusted on anything. And that slows down humanitarian aid.

But the IDF destroyed Hamas. That is the point of the “war”. It is why the IDF has to blow up all the hospitals and level 75% of Gaza. Now you say Hamas is openly walking around Gaza? I guess Hamas is safe to openly operate in Gaza after 3 and 1/2 months of occupation?

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Let me ask you a question. In as little as a week or two weeks people in Gaza will start to drop dead from starvation. The numbers could get as high as 400,000 starved to death. What do you think happens then? Do you think your weak propaganda will save Israel and cleanse you soul?

How does that even remotely relate to the topic above?

Who's engaged in propaganda?

FWIW, I absolutely support more humanitarian aid for Gaza.

I likewise support more humanitarian aid to Gaza. But can Hamas be trusted to not steal it from the people who need it? Can Hamas be trusted to not use it as a way to smuggle in weapons and ammunition? Hamas cannot be trusted on anything. And that slows down humanitarian aid.

But the IDF destroyed Hamas. That is the point of the “war”. It is why the IDF has to blow up all the hospitals and level 75% of Gaza. Now you say Hamas is openly walking around Gaza? I guess Hamas is safe to openly operate in Gaza after 3 and 1/2 months of occupation?

The bot is back.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, Palestinians called the White House and wrote letters and begged President Bush and Israel to have Hamas banned from elections for fear they’d lead to terror attacks and allow Al Qaeda (then hot on the scene in 2006) in Gaza.


Palestinians warned Israel and the U.S. about Hamas but no one listened. They won a low turnout and rigged election where only their zealots voted

this was back when the dumb*sses in the state department were sending 22 year olds to Afghanistan to teach them about Marbury v Madison. Because you know, it was the end of history and all they really needed was better theories of judicial review taught to them by teenagers.

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Bullcrap.
Some of these protestors are carrying Hamas flags and chanting the same rhetoric as the Hamas terrorists.
And, we have seen more than enough evidence of people actually praising these less-than-human individuals.

DP

My friends who attended the protest are centrist types and were definitely just asking for a ceasefire and more humanity towards the Palestinians.

There were no doubt a minority of more extreme protestors but it was mostly peaceful and most protestors just want to see a ceasefire and humanitarian support for the many Palestinians civilians suffering from terrible injuries/ loss of homes/ loss of family members and starvation. Especially the many children who are suffering so much.

Everyone I know condemns Hamas actions on October 7.

But Israel’s disproportionate response is not only inhumane but making Israel less safe in a hostile region.

Very fine people at the protest, right?

You know the left has lost their minds when they’re parroting Trump’s rhetoric on Charlottesville.

What? I never said they were very fine people - I said they are sensible centrist types and not extremists. They simply Want the indiscriminate response by IDF to stop and for more humanitarian support for the innocent Palestinians. They also condemn Hamas’ actions but don’t think Israel’s scale of response is justified.

It is in no one’s interests to continue down this extreme path. Many Jewish friends in DMV are also horrified by the scale of devastation visited upon Palestinians / all while not approving of Hamas and wanting Israel to survive.

It is bizarre to refer to anyone who disagrees with IDF’s military tactics as anti semitic.

Looking at the photos of the destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza is pretty drastic. Anyone who thinks this level of vengeance is moral and sane is fringe.

What specifically surprised them? How else modern warfare would look in an urban area? Look at Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozniy, Ukraine, etc. Modern warfare is designed to obliterate. What evidence have you all had that this will somehow look different?

The daily war death toll in Palestine averages 250 people a day, which is the highest in any major conflict in the 21st century. A disproportionate number of war dead are civilians, particularly children. This figure (250 a day) does not count deaths from the indirect effects of the war, such as starvation, disease, and cold. The number of dead under the rubble is unknown. For every death, several civilians are blinded, paralyzed, disfigured, and/or lose limbs. Almost every building in Gaza has been damaged or destroyed. Everyone in Gaza will be profoundly affected psychologically for the rest of their lives. It is extremely likely that Israeli hostages are dying along with the rest of the population, either through shelling or limited access to medical care and inadequate diet.

The goal appears to be to make Gaza completely unlivable, so Gazans either die or leave as refugees and Israeli settlers can move in and take over. Saving the hostages doesn't seem to be a priority. Israel could have negotiated their release ages ago. The whole thing is chilling. I don't like the term "evil," but what else does one call this?

Yes. I hope this puts to bed the “this is just war” mantra.

I have written it before and will repeat myself.

Israel’s outsize response is fostering the next generation of hate. As a Jew, IDF actions make me feel less - not more - safe. As a human, I am horrified about the level of killing and destruction imposed by a country that knows what suffering is.

Most of my Jewish friends here in DMV feel the same way as you.

It is so wrong that anyone who supports a ceasefire and more humanitarian support for innocent civilians is dismissed as anti semitic. Real friends of Israel want her to behave in ways that are more humane and proportional and to foster long term survival for both sides. Obviously if the conflict becomes a fully Fledged regional war, most of the region supports Palestine .

That's simply not what is happening.

I completely understand and admire the motivations of those who support a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

However, MANY opposing Israel's actions have completely different motives and positions:

1. They argue that Israel should never have been created and/or should not exist.

2. They argue that Palestinians and the Arab were justified in attempting to annihilate Israel in 1947, and that Hamas's attacks were "understandable" or "Israel's fault", etc.

3. They argue that US support by Israel is the result of Zionist $$$ influencing US officials, media, etc., etc.

4. They deny that many Palestinians support Hamas, notwithstanding the polling.

5. They make false and/or unverifiable claims about the situation in Gaza (the hospital attack, for example).

6. They post conspiracy theories about what happened on 10/7.

We've seen hundreds (thousands?) of examples of the above on this board, at the protests, in student and far left responses to 10/7.

At this point, anyone supporting the Palestinian "side" has the burden of proving they're acting in good faith, simply b/c so many of their compatriots are clearly not.

Well put. Most Jews in the US feel confusion and sadness and in the DMV largely hate BiBi and wish settlers would stop. But that is a far cry from supporting Palestine. PP’s “Jewish friends” are also likely just saying what they feel is safe to say to PP.