Concerned about buying in WJ cluster because of re-zoning

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Anonymous wrote:Predicted future high school distributions:

WJ/Woodward: Mixture of current WJ plus two DCC elementary school areas and maybe one Whitman school (perhaps Bradley Hills). Will create two very good schools, but not Whitman level.
BCC: Bethesda Elementary, the three Chevy Chase elementaries (CC, NCC, and RCF) and probably Somerset; no appreciable change in test scores from the change (ie remains an extremely strong school, but with some lower scoring demographics included).
Whitman: add Westbrook and maybe Somerset from BCC and cede Bradley Hills to WJ/Woodward. No other changes; cements status as highest scoring MoCo district.
Churchill: no change

I think this is probably right. The only question I have is whether the county will find a way to inject a little diversity into Whitman along the way. I don't see an obvious way to do that, but it does seem to go against what the BoE has been all about to embark on a major change to the HS in and around Bethesda while making the richest, white-est HS even wealthier and whiter than ever while the others (BCC, WJ, and Woodward) include some racial/ethnic/SES diversity.

Diversity will come to Whitman with the Westbard development.

MoCo has to stop trying to bus people into diverse schools and to just have policies to encourage more diversity in housing instead so that people of different income levels live in the same community. Instead they are building teardown McMansion after teardowns McMansion in Bethesda. Why not some subdividing lots with smaller houses too? What about duplexes? The 6000 square foot McMansions take up the entire lot and house four people and a fancy purebred dog max in a space that could house 10-20 people instead.

That will eventually need to happen

It needs to happen NOW. Or yesterday. We have no leadership in this county.

For decades the county built low-income projects up North or East. I agree it's time they show leadership and place all future projects in the Western close-in areas to ensure there is an equitable FARMS distribution @W's.

Clustering low income housing together has meant that gangs can harass people all in one place - threatening people and regularly hitting people up for money . Stupid.

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There shouldn't be a concentration of low income housing. It should be distributed.

Right, and since up until now it has all been "distributed" in Silver Spring, Gaithersburg, and Germantown, it's time to "distribute" more of it in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Potomac. I'd love to see them sue because the coverage in the media would be so entertaining. What can they say other than "I didn't pay $2 million to live near those people!"

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I want to see low income housing in all parts of County. If it was true then we wouldn't be discussing fall of housing price in WJ due to rezoning.

This is exactly the problem. The wealthier western part of the county has been able to segregate themselves and create schools with inflated test scores imply by locking out nearly all low income students. Distribute them evenly across all the schools and everyone west will see a slight dip in scores while those east will see a slight rise and you will see that overall, we aren't as far apart as we seem. But then, why did they pay top dollar for the house in WJ?

Something should be done to offset decades of segregation and redlining that created this situation. Everyone benefits from integrated schools.

It will happen with Woodward coming here. WJ/Woodward will be mixed with DCC schools.

Woodward will be and it will take Kensington and the Garrett park with it. The Bethesda homes will stick to WJ and it will be better off

Nope, both WJ and Woodward will have kids from other schools added. I suspect it will be much less than some people on this thread seem to think, given the expected enrollment of WJ in several years.

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Anonymous wrote:When people buy homes they are looking for a certain kind of population with regards to neighborhood and schools, that certain type doesn't have to be white, they need to be of their educational and income levels. When someone buys in Silver Spring, they know the demographics, they are aware of the demographics of schools, then why do they expect benefits of Bethesda at Silver Spring prices??? This discussion is almost childish.

1) More white children in your school is not a "benefit."
2) There are no school "benefits" that the wealthy get that the middle class does not. You are under the impression that you bought a certain school when you bought a house, but you paid a seller (and a real estate agent), not a school district.
3) I don't see anybody posting here excitedly looking to move from their Silver Spring school to Woodward. I only see people defending their kids and community from people who see them as trash.

Let me ask you a question, some people are trash are they not? Where do you think they live

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Anonymous wrote:When people buy homes they are looking for a certain kind of population with regards to neighborhood and schools, that certain type doesn't have to be white, they need to be of their educational and income levels. When someone buys in Silver Spring, they know the demographics, they are aware of the demographics of schools, then why do they expect benefits of Bethesda at Silver Spring prices??? This discussion is almost childish.

1) More white children in your school is not a "benefit."
2) There are no school "benefits" that the wealthy get that the middle class does not. You are under the impression that you bought a certain school when you bought a house, but you paid a seller (and a real estate agent), not a school district.
3) I don't see anybody posting here excitedly looking to move from their Silver Spring school to Woodward. I only see people defending their kids and community from people who see them as trash.

Let me ask you a question, some people are trash are they not? Where do you think they live

At your house (not pp).

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Anonymous wrote:Predicted future high school distributions:

WJ/Woodward: Mixture of current WJ plus two DCC elementary school areas and maybe one Whitman school (perhaps Bradley Hills). Will create two very good schools, but not Whitman level.
BCC: Bethesda Elementary, the three Chevy Chase elementaries (CC, NCC, and RCF) and probably Somerset; no appreciable change in test scores from the change (ie remains an extremely strong school, but with some lower scoring demographics included).
Whitman: add Westbrook and maybe Somerset from BCC and cede Bradley Hills to WJ/Woodward. No other changes; cements status as highest scoring MoCo district.
Churchill: no change

I think this is probably right. The only question I have is whether the county will find a way to inject a little diversity into Whitman along the way. I don't see an obvious way to do that, but it does seem to go against what the BoE has been all about to embark on a major change to the HS in and around Bethesda while making the richest, white-est HS even wealthier and whiter than ever while the others (BCC, WJ, and Woodward) include some racial/ethnic/SES diversity.

Diversity will come to Whitman with the Westbard development.

MoCo has to stop trying to bus people into diverse schools and to just have policies to encourage more diversity in housing instead so that people of different income levels live in the same community. Instead they are building teardown McMansion after teardowns McMansion in Bethesda. Why not some subdividing lots with smaller houses too? What about duplexes? The 6000 square foot McMansions take up the entire lot and house four people and a fancy purebred dog max in a space that could house 10-20 people instead.

That will eventually need to happen

It needs to happen NOW. Or yesterday. We have no leadership in this county.

For decades the county built low-income projects up North or East. I agree it's time they show leadership and place all future projects in the Western close-in areas to ensure there is an equitable FARMS distribution @W's.

Clustering low income housing together has meant that gangs can harass people all in one place - threatening people and regularly hitting people up for money . Stupid.

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There shouldn't be a concentration of low income housing. It should be distributed.

Right, and since up until now it has all been "distributed" in Silver Spring, Gaithersburg, and Germantown, it's time to "distribute" more of it in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Potomac. I'd love to see them sue because the coverage in the media would be so entertaining. What can they say other than "I didn't pay $2 million to live near those people!"

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I want to see low income housing in all parts of County. If it was true then we wouldn't be discussing fall of housing price in WJ due to rezoning.

This is exactly the problem. The wealthier western part of the county has been able to segregate themselves and create schools with inflated test scores imply by locking out nearly all low income students. Distribute them evenly across all the schools and everyone west will see a slight dip in scores while those east will see a slight rise and you will see that overall, we aren't as far apart as we seem. But then, why did they pay top dollar for the house in WJ?

Something should be done to offset decades of segregation and redlining that created this situation. Everyone benefits from integrated schools.

It will happen with Woodward coming here. WJ/Woodward will be mixed with DCC schools.

Woodward will be and it will take Kensington and the Garrett park with it. The Bethesda homes will stick to WJ and it will be better off

Nope, both WJ and Woodward will have kids from other schools added. I suspect it will be much less than some people on this thread seem to think, given the expected enrollment of WJ in several years.

Totally - Woodward will be Kennedy and WJ's love child.

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Anonymous wrote:Predicted future high school distributions:

WJ/Woodward: Mixture of current WJ plus two DCC elementary school areas and maybe one Whitman school (perhaps Bradley Hills). Will create two very good schools, but not Whitman level.
BCC: Bethesda Elementary, the three Chevy Chase elementaries (CC, NCC, and RCF) and probably Somerset; no appreciable change in test scores from the change (ie remains an extremely strong school, but with some lower scoring demographics included).
Whitman: add Westbrook and maybe Somerset from BCC and cede Bradley Hills to WJ/Woodward. No other changes; cements status as highest scoring MoCo district.
Churchill: no change

I think this is probably right. The only question I have is whether the county will find a way to inject a little diversity into Whitman along the way. I don't see an obvious way to do that, but it does seem to go against what the BoE has been all about to embark on a major change to the HS in and around Bethesda while making the richest, white-est HS even wealthier and whiter than ever while the others (BCC, WJ, and Woodward) include some racial/ethnic/SES diversity.

Diversity will come to Whitman with the Westbard development.

MoCo has to stop trying to bus people into diverse schools and to just have policies to encourage more diversity in housing instead so that people of different income levels live in the same community. Instead they are building teardown McMansion after teardowns McMansion in Bethesda. Why not some subdividing lots with smaller houses too? What about duplexes? The 6000 square foot McMansions take up the entire lot and house four people and a fancy purebred dog max in a space that could house 10-20 people instead.

That will eventually need to happen

It needs to happen NOW. Or yesterday. We have no leadership in this county.

For decades the county built low-income projects up North or East. I agree it's time they show leadership and place all future projects in the Western close-in areas to ensure there is an equitable FARMS distribution @W's.

Clustering low income housing together has meant that gangs can harass people all in one place - threatening people and regularly hitting people up for money . Stupid.

+1

There shouldn't be a concentration of low income housing. It should be distributed.

Right, and since up until now it has all been "distributed" in Silver Spring, Gaithersburg, and Germantown, it's time to "distribute" more of it in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Potomac. I'd love to see them sue because the coverage in the media would be so entertaining. What can they say other than "I didn't pay $2 million to live near those people!"

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I want to see low income housing in all parts of County. If it was true then we wouldn't be discussing fall of housing price in WJ due to rezoning.

This is exactly the problem. The wealthier western part of the county has been able to segregate themselves and create schools with inflated test scores imply by locking out nearly all low income students. Distribute them evenly across all the schools and everyone west will see a slight dip in scores while those east will see a slight rise and you will see that overall, we aren't as far apart as we seem. But then, why did they pay top dollar for the house in WJ?

Something should be done to offset decades of segregation and redlining that created this situation. Everyone benefits from integrated schools.

It will happen with Woodward coming here. WJ/Woodward will be mixed with DCC schools.

Woodward will be and it will take Kensington and the Garrett park with it. The Bethesda homes will stick to WJ and it will be better off

Nope, both WJ and Woodward will have kids from other schools added. I suspect it will be much less than some people on this thread seem to think, given the expected enrollment of WJ in several years.

Totally - Woodward will be Kennedy and WJ's love child.

WJ and Woodward are going to draw from demographically identical neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Predicted future high school distributions:

WJ/Woodward: Mixture of current WJ plus two DCC elementary school areas and maybe one Whitman school (perhaps Bradley Hills). Will create two very good schools, but not Whitman level.
BCC: Bethesda Elementary, the three Chevy Chase elementaries (CC, NCC, and RCF) and probably Somerset; no appreciable change in test scores from the change (ie remains an extremely strong school, but with some lower scoring demographics included).
Whitman: add Westbrook and maybe Somerset from BCC and cede Bradley Hills to WJ/Woodward. No other changes; cements status as highest scoring MoCo district.
Churchill: no change

I think this is probably right. The only question I have is whether the county will find a way to inject a little diversity into Whitman along the way. I don't see an obvious way to do that, but it does seem to go against what the BoE has been all about to embark on a major change to the HS in and around Bethesda while making the richest, white-est HS even wealthier and whiter than ever while the others (BCC, WJ, and Woodward) include some racial/ethnic/SES diversity.

Diversity will come to Whitman with the Westbard development.

MoCo has to stop trying to bus people into diverse schools and to just have policies to encourage more diversity in housing instead so that people of different income levels live in the same community. Instead they are building teardown McMansion after teardowns McMansion in Bethesda. Why not some subdividing lots with smaller houses too? What about duplexes? The 6000 square foot McMansions take up the entire lot and house four people and a fancy purebred dog max in a space that could house 10-20 people instead.

That will eventually need to happen

It needs to happen NOW. Or yesterday. We have no leadership in this county.

For decades the county built low-income projects up North or East. I agree it's time they show leadership and place all future projects in the Western close-in areas to ensure there is an equitable FARMS distribution @W's.

Clustering low income housing together has meant that gangs can harass people all in one place - threatening people and regularly hitting people up for money . Stupid.

+1

There shouldn't be a concentration of low income housing. It should be distributed.

Right, and since up until now it has all been "distributed" in Silver Spring, Gaithersburg, and Germantown, it's time to "distribute" more of it in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Potomac. I'd love to see them sue because the coverage in the media would be so entertaining. What can they say other than "I didn't pay $2 million to live near those people!"

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I want to see low income housing in all parts of County. If it was true then we wouldn't be discussing fall of housing price in WJ due to rezoning.

This is exactly the problem. The wealthier western part of the county has been able to segregate themselves and create schools with inflated test scores imply by locking out nearly all low income students. Distribute them evenly across all the schools and everyone west will see a slight dip in scores while those east will see a slight rise and you will see that overall, we aren't as far apart as we seem. But then, why did they pay top dollar for the house in WJ?

Something should be done to offset decades of segregation and redlining that created this situation. Everyone benefits from integrated schools.

It will happen with Woodward coming here. WJ/Woodward will be mixed with DCC schools.

Woodward will be and it will take Kensington and the Garrett park with it. The Bethesda homes will stick to WJ and it will be better off

Nope, both WJ and Woodward will have kids from other schools added. I suspect it will be much less than some people on this thread seem to think, given the expected enrollment of WJ in several years.

Totally - Woodward will be Kennedy and WJ's love child.

WJ and Woodward are going to draw from demographically identical neighborhoods.

May be or may be not. Woodward may take 1800 kids from DCC and 700 kids from WJ. In that scenario, demography of both schools will be drastically different. Woodward can also be a part of DCC and that will make it a different demography. In short, it's not guaranteed that both schools will have a similar demography.

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May be or may be not. Woodward may take 1800 kids from DCC and 700 kids from WJ. In that scenario, demography of both schools will be drastically different. Woodward can also be a part of DCC and that will make it a different demography. In short, it's not guaranteed that both schools will have a similar demography.

Fake News. For the 1,000 time, they are not filling Woodward to capacity when it opens. It's not going to have 2,500 kids.

Also, these people spreading rumors about Kensington-Parkwood going to Woodward is fake news as well. As PPs have said, Kensington-Parkwood goes to North Bethesda MS along with Ashburton and Wyngate. The only ESs that would be up for rezoning to Woodward are the ones going to Tilden (Garrett Park, Luxmanor, Farmland). More than 3 elementaries are not going to be rezoned to Woodward from WJ or else WJ wouldn't even have enough kids. At most 3 schools from WJ are going, and those 3 are going to come from an area that's zoned for a middle school (Tilden) that is currently located at the Woodward site.

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It's projected both WJ and Einstein will be 800 over capacity when Woodward opens. At least 1600 spots will be filled from these schools The remaining 1100 will go to the other nearby schools, namely, B-CC and Kennedy.

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Anonymous wrote:It's projected both WJ and Einstein will be 800 over capacity when Woodward opens. At least 1600 spots will be filled from these schools The remaining 1100 will go to the other nearby schools, namely, B-CC and Kennedy.

Kennedy is nowhere near Woodward... Do you mean Wheaton?

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Anonymous wrote:It's projected both WJ and Einstein will be 800 over capacity when Woodward opens. At least 1600 spots will be filled from these schools The remaining 1100 will go to the other nearby schools, namely, B-CC and Kennedy.

Again, fake news. They are not filling a newly opened school to capacity. They are going to give it a big cushion to grow, or else they're going to have to build another high school. Common sense.

This school is going to draw from WJ ESs schools zoned for Tilden, Einstein (prob Rock View ES and/or Oakland Terrace ES) and Wheaton (prob Viers Mill). Look at a map.

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Anonymous wrote:It's projected both WJ and Einstein will be 800 over capacity when Woodward opens. At least 1600 spots will be filled from these schools The remaining 1100 will go to the other nearby schools, namely, B-CC and Kennedy.

Again, fake news. They are not filling a newly opened school to capacity. They are going to give it a big cushion to grow, or else they're going to have to build another high school. Common sense.

This school is going to draw from WJ ESs schools zoned for Tilden, Einstein (prob Rock View ES and/or Oakland Terrace ES) and Wheaton (prob Viers Mill). Look at a map.

It's true. Woodward is needed to deal with overcrowding at Einstein and Walter Johnson. The county's projections posted earlier in this thread establish this. It will have 2700 seats. 1600 of them will go to those two schools right out of the gate.

Sure, they may not fill all 2700 seats out of the gate but when all other nearby schools are well over capacity it seems likely it will be close.

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Anonymous wrote:It's projected both WJ and Einstein will be 800 over capacity when Woodward opens. At least 1600 spots will be filled from these schools The remaining 1100 will go to the other nearby schools, namely, B-CC and Kennedy.

Again, fake news. They are not filling a newly opened school to capacity. They are going to give it a big cushion to grow, or else they're going to have to build another high school. Common sense.

This school is going to draw from WJ ESs schools zoned for Tilden, Einstein (prob Rock View ES and/or Oakland Terrace ES) and Wheaton (prob Viers Mill). Look at a map.

Yes, look at a map. Rock View is a few blocks from Einstein. Kids who live in houses on all sides of Einstein are zoned for Rock View. I don't see them rezoning them to Woodward. Better to rezone another Einstein ES that isn't right near any HS.

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Doesn't really matter. Einstein will be 800 over capacity in 2022 which is the earliest Woodward will open. Given it's direct proximity to Woodward you can bet 800 kids from its western boundary are headed there.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really matter. Einstein will be 800 over capacity in 2022 which is the earliest Woodward will open. Given it's direct proximity to Woodward you can bet 800 kids from its western boundary are headed there.

Of course it matters. I agree a bunch of Einstein kids will be zoned for Woodward, but there are many ways the boundaries can be redrawn. Why would they want to leave Einstein with zero students from the adjacent neighborhoods, which is what rezoning Rock View would do?

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Anonymous wrote:Predicted future high school distributions:

WJ/Woodward: Mixture of current WJ plus two DCC elementary school areas and maybe one Whitman school (perhaps Bradley Hills). Will create two very good schools, but not Whitman level.
BCC: Bethesda Elementary, the three Chevy Chase elementaries (CC, NCC, and RCF) and probably Somerset; no appreciable change in test scores from the change (ie remains an extremely strong school, but with some lower scoring demographics included).
Whitman: add Westbrook and maybe Somerset from BCC and cede Bradley Hills to WJ/Woodward. No other changes; cements status as highest scoring MoCo district.
Churchill: no change

I think this is probably right. The only question I have is whether the county will find a way to inject a little diversity into Whitman along the way. I don't see an obvious way to do that, but it does seem to go against what the BoE has been all about to embark on a major change to the HS in and around Bethesda while making the richest, white-est HS even wealthier and whiter than ever while the others (BCC, WJ, and Woodward) include some racial/ethnic/SES diversity.

Diversity will come to Whitman with the Westbard development.

MoCo has to stop trying to bus people into diverse schools and to just have policies to encourage more diversity in housing instead so that people of different income levels live in the same community. Instead they are building teardown McMansion after teardowns McMansion in Bethesda. Why not some subdividing lots with smaller houses too? What about duplexes? The 6000 square foot McMansions take up the entire lot and house four people and a fancy purebred dog max in a space that could house 10-20 people instead.

That will eventually need to happen

It needs to happen NOW. Or yesterday. We have no leadership in this county.

For decades the county built low-income projects up North or East. I agree it's time they show leadership and place all future projects in the Western close-in areas to ensure there is an equitable FARMS distribution @W's.

Clustering low income housing together has meant that gangs can harass people all in one place - threatening people and regularly hitting people up for money . Stupid.

+1

There shouldn't be a concentration of low income housing. It should be distributed.

Right, and since up until now it has all been "distributed" in Silver Spring, Gaithersburg, and Germantown, it's time to "distribute" more of it in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Potomac. I'd love to see them sue because the coverage in the media would be so entertaining. What can they say other than "I didn't pay $2 million to live near those people!"

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I want to see low income housing in all parts of County. If it was true then we wouldn't be discussing fall of housing price in WJ due to rezoning.

This is exactly the problem. The wealthier western part of the county has been able to segregate themselves and create schools with inflated test scores imply by locking out nearly all low income students. Distribute them evenly across all the schools and everyone west will see a slight dip in scores while those east will see a slight rise and you will see that overall, we aren't as far apart as we seem. But then, why did they pay top dollar for the house in WJ?

Something should be done to offset decades of segregation and redlining that created this situation. Everyone benefits from integrated schools.

It will happen with Woodward coming here. WJ/Woodward will be mixed with DCC schools.

Woodward will be and it will take Kensington and the Garrett park with it. The Bethesda homes will stick to WJ and it will be better off

Nope, both WJ and Woodward will have kids from other schools added. I suspect it will be much less than some people on this thread seem to think, given the expected enrollment of WJ in several years.

Totally - Woodward will be Kennedy and WJ's love child.

WJ and Woodward are going to draw from demographically identical neighborhoods.

May be or may be not. Woodward may take 1800 kids from DCC and 700 kids from WJ. In that scenario, demography of both schools will be drastically different. Woodward can also be a part of DCC and that will make it a different demography. In short, it's not guaranteed that both schools will have a similar demography.

It's worth noting that WJ is geographically more "down county" than Woodward. But the schools are a mile from each other. They're both going to draw from a combination of former WJ and DCC elementary school areas.