So what happens when the Federal government can’t issue Nov Food Stamps?

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Anonymous wrote:When you give the government power to feed you, you give them the power to starve you.

That's why socialism or communism never works. Ever.

So everyone on the planet is supposed to be a subsistence farmer so they never have to depend on others for food? How does that work?

SNAP is a subsidy for corporations who refuse to pay a living wage. That’s why capitalism always rots from within.

Those arguments are just disingenuous weirdos or bots, and to be ignored.

Really? NP here. Clearly the system is broken if 40 million receive SNAP. I’m a social worker. The people I’ve helped sign up for SNAP benefits are primarily working at low paying jobs or are 65+ who have worked in the past. Unfortunately the free market is not working for them.

Only 19% of snap recipients are over 60

After working your whole life and drawing social security, 0% of people should be dependent on government food help in old age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Your proving the PP’s point that public policy and economics prioritizes unhealthy foods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you give the government power to feed you, you give them the power to starve you.

That's why socialism or communism never works. Ever.

So everyone on the planet is supposed to be a subsistence farmer so they never have to depend on others for food? How does that work?

SNAP is a subsidy for corporations who refuse to pay a living wage. That’s why capitalism always rots from within.

Those arguments are just disingenuous weirdos or bots, and to be ignored.

Really? NP here. Clearly the system is broken if 40 million receive SNAP. I’m a social worker. The people I’ve helped sign up for SNAP benefits are primarily working at low paying jobs or are 65+ who have worked in the past. Unfortunately the free market is not working for them.

Only 19% of snap recipients are over 60

You can work 40 hours a week at McDonald's and still be in the poverty level or borderline to it. Family of 4 can not survive on that income.

NP: Also, 37% of all SNAP households include an elderly or disabled member, so younger SNAP recipients are also caring for elderly and disabled family members; it's not just your 1950s image of a "family of 4."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Your proving the PP’s point that public policy and economics prioritizes unhealthy foods.

+1 The answer to PP's pantry dilemma is that fresh fruit and vegetables should not coint against the recipient.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

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"I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses."

It sounds like you were happier in Korea. By all means, go back.

The problem with frozen vegetable for people in poverty is the expense of keeping them frozen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

"I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses."

It sounds like you were happier in Korea. By all means, go back.

The problem with frozen vegetable for people in poverty is the expense of keeping them frozen.

Always some excuse. Buy canned

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

Again, you ignore the reality that these folks are short on kitchen equipment, storage space, and TIME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses."

It sounds like you were happier in Korea. By all means, go back.

The problem with frozen vegetable for people in poverty is the expense of keeping them frozen.

Always some excuse. Buy canned

Yes, you're getting it. There are many REASONS that explain why people in poverty make the choices they make, even if they aren't ideal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"I’ve been many places.
But why on earth would I want to go to the inner city? I don’t need to go there. I believe you that fresh produce is harder to find there, but it is 100% because of supply and demand and culture. Also, even the processed crap at those corner stores is not cheap!

When I lived in Korea, it was hard to find American peanut butter, and when I did find it (usually alongside a small selection of American and British foods) it was expensive. This does not mean there was a vast conspiracy to make it difficult for me to buy peanut butter. It simply means it was not a popular product and therefore more expensive to sell. There is also no vast conspiracy to suppress low income people here by denying them vegetables.

I do a lot of shopping at Aldi, Walmart, and international groceries. I’ve noticed many different immigrants who probably don’t have much money and yet fill their baskets with vegetables and fruit and meat. Go to the international market and you’ll see. Unfortunately, many of them eventually adopt American diets and then they suffer.

Also, there is nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. Aldi literally has them for a dollar a bag. I am not poor anymore but I have been poor, and have relatives who subsist on very little money, but don’t eat processed garbage. Unless you are truly in the bottom 1% and living under a bridge I am sorry but no excuses."

It sounds like you were happier in Korea. By all means, go back.

The problem with frozen vegetable for people in poverty is the expense of keeping them frozen.

If they can store a frozen pizza then they have a freezer. Almost 100% of Americans have a refrigerator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

Again, you ignore the reality that these folks are short on kitchen equipment, storage space, and TIME.

Why do people accept that the poor have less time? They spend fewer hours a week working than higher income households. That’s in large part why they are poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

Again, you ignore the reality that these folks are short on kitchen equipment, storage space, and TIME.

Why do people accept that the poor have less time? They spend fewer hours a week working than higher income households. That’s in large part why they are poor.

You really don’t understand poverty. There are people working 2 sometimes 3 low paid jobs just to keep a roof over their head. Please learn about your fellow Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

Again, you ignore the reality that these folks are short on kitchen equipment, storage space, and TIME.

Why do people accept that the poor have less time? They spend fewer hours a week working than higher income households. That’s in large part why they are poor.

False. They work fewer hours at any one job, but work multiple jobs, for longer total hours that higher income households. This is well-documented, and you can thank large profitable companies like Walmart for purposefully restricting full-time positions so they don't have to pay benefits (they get tax-payers to do so instead).

How are you engaging in this sort of conversation without already knowing this? It's been discussed all over the place for decades now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At food pantries, people snap up the fresh produce when it is available. The claim that people choose to eat junk is in part false and in part true due to generational poverty and people tending to follow patterns. The programs around SNAP have been working to fix those root problems and now they are gone. You have no idea how hard it was, and how much effort and lobbying it took to get people to be able to use their snap benefits at a farm market. It wasn’t allowed at all until very recently. When it was allowed farmers invented the mobile farm truck to get the food into neighborhoods that don’t have those markets.

The food pantry I volunteer in has most of the fresh foods left behind and not taken. Meat and dairy will go- but fresh fruits and vegetables are not taken by most

That’s because we’re all addicted to cheap junk food laden with salt, sugar and fat. And lower income people even more so given this sh*t is cheaper and easier to access than fresh fruits and veggies.

Let me see. Apple of dubious freshness that counts as an item in my total and provides 60 calories, or a bag of biscuits that will survive the end times and nets 1,000 calories. Which one should I choose for my hungry kids?

Except most people on food stamps aren’t short on calories. They’d be better off taking the apples. Even if not peek freshness for raw eating, make some applesauce, bake into something, can them. Tons you can do with apples, especially in the fall when the food pantry is quite literally overflowing with them. No one takes the vegetables either, just saying

Again, you ignore the reality that these folks are short on kitchen equipment, storage space, and TIME.

Why do people accept that the poor have less time? They spend fewer hours a week working than higher income households. That’s in large part why they are poor.

Everything about being poor takes more time. Buying in small quantities, taking public transportation from places with little service, price comparing *everything*, waiting in line at the immunization clinic, etc etc etc.

And then there are things about being poor that cost extra money -- financial fees, car insurance, and so on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you give the government power to feed you, you give them the power to starve you.

That's why socialism or communism never works. Ever.

So everyone on the planet is supposed to be a subsistence farmer so they never have to depend on others for food? How does that work?

SNAP is a subsidy for corporations who refuse to pay a living wage. That’s why capitalism always rots from within.

Those arguments are just disingenuous weirdos or bots, and to be ignored.

Really? NP here. Clearly the system is broken if 40 million receive SNAP. I’m a social worker. The people I’ve helped sign up for SNAP benefits are primarily working at low paying jobs or are 65+ who have worked in the past. Unfortunately the free market is not working for them.

Only 19% of snap recipients are over 60

After working your whole life and drawing social security, 0% of people should be dependent on government food help in old age.

In theory, but in practice a lot of jobs barely pay enough to live off of (example of McDonalds or Walmart workers who only make poverty level wages) - certainly not enough to set anything aside for retirement. And Social Security only pays a fraction of that.

People who believe the system works need a wakeup call.