Boundaries assessment update 2023

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I saw “Voices of Fairfax” (used to be “One Great Falls”) crawled out from under its rock and is getting active again just in time for the fall School Board election. They may be a bit worried since Tholen won’t be around much longer.

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Anonymous wrote:Langley boundaries are all about exclusivity, not proximity. It’s really quite disgusting in a county run by Democrats that pretends to care about equity.

Once more, who is in proximity to Langley that would add FARMS? No one has yet given a good response to that.

It doesn't need to be adjacent - look at Timber Lane zoned to McLean to add in some diversity. Of course, Timber Lane is likely to lose it's Title I status in the next 10-15 years because white families are buying all the housing that is zoned to McLean but still.

How about a law prevented white people from buying housing in McLean?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should build some affordable housing apartments right next to Langley HS. That would kill two birds with one stone.

They’d need to run public buses up
Georgetown Pike too, and not just once or twice a day but enough so that people could get to work and shopping.

That would be great for traffic issues.

Public transportation is a win for the environment and for improving traffic. Great idea!

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They won't move those Langley students to HHS- but not because of enrollment capacity. HHS is at 2300 students- with the recent renovation- capacity is 2500.
Move some from Langley to Herndon. Mclean to Langley. Could get 3 schools to similar enrollment and ease overcrowding at McLean and fill the under capacity at Langley- by #s- make sense.
Will never happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm making an offer on a house in the extreme north-western part of Langley HS district, near Seneca road. It's in the 7-1 grid of https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/medi...choolBoundaries.pdf. My son is in 1st grade currently, would prefer Cooper/Langley as schools.

Given where things are at, is there any intent by FCPS to move that part of Langley into Herndon HS, has that been proposed or discussed? I saw a comments to that in this thread, wondering if this was ever really entertained.

I mean, yes, sending the far northwestern part of the county back to Herndon HS boundaries is a thing that could happen. A PP alluded to it earlier in the thread, and then the Langley boundaries would absorb one of the ES in the McLean pyramid. But Herndon HS doesn’t have the capacity right now to absorb a whole additional ES into its boundaries. The MS seems to have more “room” because the capacity dashboard shows it with a number of modular/temporary classrooms, but those are unpopular and not meant to be long term solutions. And building the mythical western HS that could change boundaries at multiple schools is at least 10 years away from completion and probably longer than that. So if you have a current 1st/rising 2nd grader I wouldn’t worry too much about it at all.

Langley’s freshman class is significantly larger than the senior class— presumably due to the most recent boundary change and the grandfathering that comes with it.

When it all shakes out in a few years I wonder where McLean will be in terms of enrollment. Still over I am sure, but by how much?

Part of the reason Langley’s enrollment is growing has nothing to do with the 2021 boundary change with McLean and more to do with places like Great Falls getting more attractive again for working parents when many jobs went remote w/Covid.

Um... GF has *always* been attractive for working parent(s). Most people who live there work in Tysons, Reston, Chantilly, McLean, etc., or remotely. Not DC.

Not saying otherwise, but regardless of where people’s jobs were based Covid led some people to place less emphasis on being close to those work places and more emphasis on bigger homes w/more space. It’s not a very controversial observation.

Precisely - It's why I closed on a house here, recognizing the need to drive children mostly across all of GF to get to Cooper/Langley.

But if they lop off the West end of GF and join it with Herndon HS - I'm getting out.

of course, white flight is your solution! FWIW you don’t need to be white to participate in white flight.

Exactly. What do you think those brown immigrants are doing when they leave their homelands to go to majority white countries?

Running from the brown and black people.

It’s disgusting.

Oh, please. These people are coming for a better life. I think it is wrong to open the border and let his happen, but I don't begrudge people who just want a better life. Unfortunately, there are also criminals coming along with some of them.

Uh huh.

Look at you with your typical arrogance, thinking there is something special and better about America.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should build some affordable housing apartments right next to Langley HS. That would kill two birds with one stone.

They’d need to run public buses up
Georgetown Pike too, and not just once or twice a day but enough so that people could get to work and shopping.

That would be great for traffic issues.

Public transportation is a win for the environment and for improving traffic. Great idea!

Oh, no, Muffie! Did you see that bus on Georgetown Pike (clutches pearls)?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw “Voices of Fairfax” (used to be “One Great Falls”) crawled out from under its rock and is getting active again just in time for the fall School Board election. They may be a bit worried since Tholen won’t be around much longer.

Oh come on. Sending Herndon kids to Langley is a logistical problem. However the suggestion of retooling Marshall’s boundaries to send kids to Langley or McLean is a decent one.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw “Voices of Fairfax” (used to be “One Great Falls”) crawled out from under its rock and is getting active again just in time for the fall School Board election. They may be a bit worried since Tholen won’t be around much longer.

Oh come on. Sending Herndon kids to Langley is a logistical problem. However the suggestion of retooling Marshall’s boundaries to send kids to Langley or McLean is a decent one.

Sure, but then Marshall would end up with a pretty low FARMS rate if you are taking FARMS from Marshall (22%)

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But very very few HS kids in FCPS are walking distance to their schools. Only being walking distance would solve some of these problems and that's not realistic.

Big difference between a five minute drive and a thirty minute drive--which some on these forums have suggested as a way to balance FARMS.

As long as we continue to have rich Langley kids with 30-minute or longer trips to Langley you can take a seat and shut up.

If you don't see the difference between families who can afford to make this trip and those who cannot, I think you should take a seat yourself! As for "shut up"--I was taught that was a rude demand and do not ever use that phrase. It describes the accuser more than the accused.

All you do is offer a flimsy excuse for the concentration of poverty and wealth in different pyramids. It’s tired and you repeat the same thing constantly - all to defend a status quo that leaves a 3% FARMS school bordering a 50% one.

Talk about repeating the same tired argument constantly ^^. Zero self-awareness.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at the faux concern about the potential hardship on others as an excuse to keep Langley segregated.

Not a Langley parent. Not a Herndon parent.

It is not "faux concern." It is a real issue.

But, it sounds to me like your goal is to get some poor kids out of your school rather than to do what is reasonable.

Why does it bother you so much that Langley has low FARMS?

FWIW, my kids' high school is fairly high FARMS--though not 30%. But, I can see that there is little poverty in the Langley area. That is just a fact.

It's circular because Langley's boundaries are intentionally drawn to exclude any poorer areas, and then you point out there's little poverty in the "Langley area."

Duh.

Now let's see what they could do with their tools if they tried to add some diversity to the school rather than exclude it.

Why did they send Great Falls to Langley in the first place? I'm sure they have been there for at least thirty years. Was there poverty near Langley then that could have been sent there? Was Herndon overcrowded? Was it maybe because they needed more kids at Langley? To avoid split feeders, perhaps?

Again, who are you going to send to Langley? Where are the FARMS kids coming from? Since you seem to be familiar with the issue, please give concrete suggestions.

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The PP has no concrete, viable suggestions, just the usual enormous chip on her shoulder. She doesn’t care how it gets done, but she is not going to shut up until high FARMS kids are bused across the county to Langley. In short, she is a proponent of busing.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should build some affordable housing apartments right next to Langley HS. That would kill two birds with one stone.

We know you’d love to see that happen! Curious where, exactly, you’d like that to be built?

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Anonymous wrote:How about focusing on teaching the kids rather than moving them?

What?!? This is DCUM. Common sense will not compute.

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They won't move those Langley students to HHS- but not because of enrollment capacity. HHS is at 2300 students- with the recent renovation- capacity is 2500.
Move some from Langley to Herndon. Mclean to Langley. Could get 3 schools to similar enrollment and ease overcrowding at McLean and fill the under capacity at Langley- by #s- make sense.
Will never happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm making an offer on a house in the extreme north-western part of Langley HS district, near Seneca road. It's in the 7-1 grid of https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/medi...choolBoundaries.pdf. My son is in 1st grade currently, would prefer Cooper/Langley as schools.

Given where things are at, is there any intent by FCPS to move that part of Langley into Herndon HS, has that been proposed or discussed? I saw a comments to that in this thread, wondering if this was ever really entertained.

I mean, yes, sending the far northwestern part of the county back to Herndon HS boundaries is a thing that could happen. A PP alluded to it earlier in the thread, and then the Langley boundaries would absorb one of the ES in the McLean pyramid. But Herndon HS doesn’t have the capacity right now to absorb a whole additional ES into its boundaries. The MS seems to have more “room” because the capacity dashboard shows it with a number of modular/temporary classrooms, but those are unpopular and not meant to be long term solutions. And building the mythical western HS that could change boundaries at multiple schools is at least 10 years away from completion and probably longer than that. So if you have a current 1st/rising 2nd grader I wouldn’t worry too much about it at all.

Langley’s freshman class is significantly larger than the senior class— presumably due to the most recent boundary change and the grandfathering that comes with it.

When it all shakes out in a few years I wonder where McLean will be in terms of enrollment. Still over I am sure, but by how much?

Part of the reason Langley’s enrollment is growing has nothing to do with the 2021 boundary change with McLean and more to do with places like Great Falls getting more attractive again for working parents when many jobs went remote w/Covid.

Um... GF has *always* been attractive for working parent(s). Most people who live there work in Tysons, Reston, Chantilly, McLean, etc., or remotely. Not DC.

Snort. Great Falls was not always considered desirable. Maybe since you became aware of school issues, but not always.

It was the sticks where the farm kids and other “hicks” lived.

DP. I grew up in Great Falls in the 70s/80s. It was full of horse farms (and still is in places) and was considered pretty far out. However, it was still a sought-after, wealthy area. That you don’t know that makes it clear you must be a transplant.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at the faux concern about the potential hardship on others as an excuse to keep Langley segregated.

Not a Langley parent. Not a Herndon parent.

It is not "faux concern." It is a real issue.

But, it sounds to me like your goal is to get some poor kids out of your school rather than to do what is reasonable.

Why does it bother you so much that Langley has low FARMS?

FWIW, my kids' high school is fairly high FARMS--though not 30%. But, I can see that there is little poverty in the Langley area. That is just a fact.

It's circular because Langley's boundaries are intentionally drawn to exclude any poorer areas, and then you point out there's little poverty in the "Langley area."

Duh.

Now let's see what they could do with their tools if they tried to add some diversity to the school rather than exclude it.

Why did they send Great Falls to Langley in the first place? I'm sure they have been there for at least thirty years. Was there poverty near Langley then that could have been sent there? Was Herndon overcrowded? Was it maybe because they needed more kids at Langley? To avoid split feeders, perhaps?

Again, who are you going to send to Langley? Where are the FARMS kids coming from? Since you seem to be familiar with the issue, please give concrete suggestions.

Pp is just mad.
The Langley boundary was never drawn to exclude poor people.
What happened is that the boundary stayed the same and the area got increasingly wealthy.

More dense areas experienced socioeconomic changes, which those people overwhelmingly voted for and now (some) of them are mad about the logical consequences.

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The truth isn’t going to go over well with these LWNJs, but thanks for trying.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw “Voices of Fairfax” (used to be “One Great Falls”) crawled out from under its rock and is getting active again just in time for the fall School Board election. They may be a bit worried since Tholen won’t be around much longer.

Ah, here we have the poster who can’t bear for opposing opinions to be expressed. Probably the same twit who complained to Jeff that “too many Republicans” were participating in these threads.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Laughing at the faux concern about the potential hardship on others as an excuse to keep Langley segregated.

Not a Langley parent. Not a Herndon parent.

It is not "faux concern." It is a real issue.

But, it sounds to me like your goal is to get some poor kids out of your school rather than to do what is reasonable.

Why does it bother you so much that Langley has low FARMS?

FWIW, my kids' high school is fairly high FARMS--though not 30%. But, I can see that there is little poverty in the Langley area. That is just a fact.

It's circular because Langley's boundaries are intentionally drawn to exclude any poorer areas, and then you point out there's little poverty in the "Langley area."

Duh.

Now let's see what they could do with their tools if they tried to add some diversity to the school rather than exclude it.

Why did they send Great Falls to Langley in the first place? I'm sure they have been there for at least thirty years. Was there poverty near Langley then that could have been sent there? Was Herndon overcrowded? Was it maybe because they needed more kids at Langley? To avoid split feeders, perhaps?

Again, who are you going to send to Langley? Where are the FARMS kids coming from? Since you seem to be familiar with the issue, please give concrete suggestions.

Pp is just mad.
The Langley boundary was never drawn to exclude poor people.
What happened is that the boundary stayed the same and the area got increasingly wealthy.

More dense areas experienced socioeconomic changes, which those people overwhelmingly voted for and now (some) of them are mad about the logical consequences.

+ a million
The truth isn’t going to go over well with these LWNJs, but thanks for trying.

I don't think it is a LWNJ--I think that it is a Herndon parent who wants poor kids out and rich kids in. There was a thread a while back where she kept talking about moving Oak Hill/Herndon kids in because they have a "Herndon" zip.

I think the Langley complaint is just the fact that kids pretty near Herndon go to Langley.