Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:These people are not the sharpest knives in the drawer......

Are they chanting Jihad in Washington Dc, a few miles from the post 9/11 Pentagon and waving a terrorist flag? What the actual F?

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Expressing support for a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza is hardly calling for Jihad. It also does not make them anti semites ….

Absolutely everyone is for more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The problem is that Hamas keeps stealing it.

That's just not true. There are quite a few members of the Israeli Government against any, let alone more, aid for Palestinians in Gaza, or the West Bank. Those Israeli Government members seem to think that if they just starve the Palestinians then the Palestinians will conveniently ethnically cleanse themselves.

That's false. Aid convoys have been going in. But they have been having other issues, like finding truck drivers willing to risk their lives. Hamas has opened fire around the trucks when people complained about them stealing the aid.

Post your source for this claim.

Are you for real? There have been dozens and dozens of documented instances of Hamas shooting people and threatening people and taking the aid for themselves going back to December and earlier. Here's yet another recent instance: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

Stop gaslighting. Stop defending Hamas. Stop deflecting. Stop pretending none of this is real. Stop pretending there is one and only one bad guy here and that it's the IDF.

This is a lie spread by Israel that Hamas is stealing aid. Both the UN and the US say this is not happening. So do you believe Israel or the US?

From a Wapo article today:

Israeli officials have repeatedly charged that any lack of aid is due to Hamas looting inside Gaza, something that both the United Nations and the United States deny. Any looting that has taken place, a U.N. spokesman said in recent days, has been by “desperate” Gazan civilians who don’t know when or if the next delivery will come.

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/14/israel-gaza-low-intensity/

Did you forget when Hamas fighters pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment in the early days of the war? Maybe you missed that.

Again with this Israeli lie - it didn't happen.

All of these so-called "Israeli lies" have been repeatedly documented.

Documented by IDF but unverified - just like 40 beheaded babies.

There's video, photographic evidence and other things to prove many of the Israeli statements. Whereas Hamas has provided virtually nothing to actually debunk any of it, just empty blanket statements of "it's a lie."

Videos like the video of 2017 Mexican cartel the First Lady of Israel tweeted as proof that “khamas cut the pregnant lady open”? Yeah okay.

This again? You're the only person to ever bring that up in this entire thread. You like cherrypicking your "lies" from things that nobody here ever claimed, however you have no defense versus the many Hamas lies that you yourself have peddled here.

Are you disputing this happened?

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Anonymous wrote:These people are not the sharpest knives in the drawer......

Are they chanting Jihad in Washington Dc, a few miles from the post 9/11 Pentagon and waving a terrorist flag? What the actual F?

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Expressing support for a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza is hardly calling for Jihad. It also does not make them anti semites ….

Absolutely everyone is for more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The problem is that Hamas keeps stealing it.

That's just not true. There are quite a few members of the Israeli Government against any, let alone more, aid for Palestinians in Gaza, or the West Bank. Those Israeli Government members seem to think that if they just starve the Palestinians then the Palestinians will conveniently ethnically cleanse themselves.

That's false. Aid convoys have been going in. But they have been having other issues, like finding truck drivers willing to risk their lives. Hamas has opened fire around the trucks when people complained about them stealing the aid.

Post your source for this claim.

Are you for real? There have been dozens and dozens of documented instances of Hamas shooting people and threatening people and taking the aid for themselves going back to December and earlier. Here's yet another recent instance: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

Stop gaslighting. Stop defending Hamas. Stop deflecting. Stop pretending none of this is real. Stop pretending there is one and only one bad guy here and that it's the IDF.

This is a lie spread by Israel that Hamas is stealing aid. Both the UN and the US say this is not happening. So do you believe Israel or the US?

From a Wapo article today:

Israeli officials have repeatedly charged that any lack of aid is due to Hamas looting inside Gaza, something that both the United Nations and the United States deny. Any looting that has taken place, a U.N. spokesman said in recent days, has been by “desperate” Gazan civilians who don’t know when or if the next delivery will come.

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/14/israel-gaza-low-intensity/

Oh, because UNRWA says so? The same UNRWA who a freed hostage said had UN workers guarding hostages?

The article refers to a US official saying the following:

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

I guess you don't believe what US officials are saying?

[Anonymous]

I also love how when both sides were working on a two state solution after Oslo, Netanyahu and Hamas were meeting about making sure the US led peace negotiations fail.

These are two groups who aren’t invested in their own peace in the region so why should we be invested?

The US should stop funding both.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are not the sharpest knives in the drawer......

Are they chanting Jihad in Washington Dc, a few miles from the post 9/11 Pentagon and waving a terrorist flag? What the actual F?

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Expressing support for a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza is hardly calling for Jihad. It also does not make them anti semites ….

Absolutely everyone is for more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The problem is that Hamas keeps stealing it.

That's just not true. There are quite a few members of the Israeli Government against any, let alone more, aid for Palestinians in Gaza, or the West Bank. Those Israeli Government members seem to think that if they just starve the Palestinians then the Palestinians will conveniently ethnically cleanse themselves.

That's false. Aid convoys have been going in. But they have been having other issues, like finding truck drivers willing to risk their lives. Hamas has opened fire around the trucks when people complained about them stealing the aid.

Post your source for this claim.

Are you for real? There have been dozens and dozens of documented instances of Hamas shooting people and threatening people and taking the aid for themselves going back to December and earlier. Here's yet another recent instance: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

Stop gaslighting. Stop defending Hamas. Stop deflecting. Stop pretending none of this is real. Stop pretending there is one and only one bad guy here and that it's the IDF.

This is a lie spread by Israel that Hamas is stealing aid. Both the UN and the US say this is not happening. So do you believe Israel or the US?

From a Wapo article today:

Israeli officials have repeatedly charged that any lack of aid is due to Hamas looting inside Gaza, something that both the United Nations and the United States deny. Any looting that has taken place, a U.N. spokesman said in recent days, has been by “desperate” Gazan civilians who don’t know when or if the next delivery will come.

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/14/israel-gaza-low-intensity/

Did you forget when Hamas fighters pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment in the early days of the war? Maybe you missed that.

Again with this Israeli lie - it didn't happen.

All of these so-called "Israeli lies" have been repeatedly documented.

Documented by IDF but unverified - just like 40 beheaded babies.

There's video, photographic evidence and other things to prove many of the Israeli statements. Whereas Hamas has provided virtually nothing to actually debunk any of it, just empty blanket statements of "it's a lie."

Please post the evidence that Hamas stole aid and, as you say, "pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment."

There are numerous sources including frustrated Palestinians who have bravely spoken out against Hamas. One example here:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/25/news/hamas-in-control-of-unrwa-aid-group-in-gaza-palestinian-man/

Your proof is an IDF recording? IDF has lied so much in this war that I can not believe them on anything.

[Anonymous]

The final example of duplicitous negotiations :

Bibi sends reps to Doha, Qatar and asks them to fund Hamas more generously . This was 2019.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/amp/

I feel bad for both Israeli and Palestinian people . They suffer due to bad leadership and poor representatives not invested in peace because peace is for losers, there has to be a winner in their cultural views and God will declare it so of course .

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Anonymous wrote:I think what some people are failing to realize is that the brutality of the attacks on 10/7 really changed things.

I don't like Netanyahu. I think he's a cynical and deeply corrupt hack. I don't like the settlers in the West Bank. Think they are awful colonists. Don't care for the the ultra-orthodox either. Ignorant, cruel, racist, misogynists who tend to be very parasitic and live off social welfare.

But the Hamas attacks on 10/7 really changed things. It's like 9/11. We spent 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of people died.

Was that a great idea? No.

But Hamas changed things with those attacks. The invaded, were absolutely barbaric, and started a war. And wars are unpredictable and cruel. Just take a look at Ukraine. For Russia, it was supposed to be a 3 day intervention. 2 years later and more than 300,000 Russian casualties. Things don't go to plan when you start a war. As the US learned when they invaded Iraq. As Russians leaned when they invaded Ukraine. As Palestinians in Gaza are learning when they invaded Israel.

It was an incredibly stupid decision to invade Israel and do this.

So, in summary, YOU and your ilk were OK with Israel killing THOUSANDS of Palestinians BEFORE 10/7 but not OK with the a little hit and run from Hamas in retaliation for decades of Israel's oppression of Palestinians.

Wow. 1200 civilians murdered, tortured, raped, butchered is just "a little hit and run?"

Also, for historic context you forget things like what precipitated the Israeli retaliations, like in 2014 when Hamas kidnapped some innocent Israeli kids and murdered them. You also like to pretend that all Palestinians who died were entirely women and children when in the conflicts of the last 20 years the largest percentage were known to be Hamas, Qassam, PIJ, PFLP, PRC, Al-Aqsa, et cetera.

Why are you so bent out of shape about 1,200 dead Israelis but not about 10,000 dead Palestinian children? Let me guess, Palestinian lives don't matter to you.

How do I trust your claims about the numbers of dead Palestinian children? We know from Al-Shifa and other incidents that Hamas health ministry has been caught grossly exaggerating death counts, to the point of quadrupling the actual numbers. We know that at least one credible source has estimated around 7,000 of the Palestinian dead as being Hamas fighters, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade et cetera. We know that Palestinians died because they could not get medicine and that Hamas fighters took it for themselves. We know that Palestinians died because Hamas used civilians as cover for launching attacks. We know many many cases where Palestinians died because Hamas put them at risk. Hamas accounts for a huge number of the Palestinian dead, easily more than the number of Israelis they slaughtered on 10/7. And, we also know that this current escalation would never have happened if Hamas hadn't launched its bloody massacre on 10/7. Not only do you not care about Israeli women and children being slaughtered on 10/7, you don't care about any of the Palestinian deaths that Hamas is directly responsible for.

Palestinians died because Israel dropped bombs on them. Quit the linguistic shenanigans.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are not the sharpest knives in the drawer......

Are they chanting Jihad in Washington Dc, a few miles from the post 9/11 Pentagon and waving a terrorist flag? What the actual F?

.

Expressing support for a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza is hardly calling for Jihad. It also does not make them anti semites ….

Absolutely everyone is for more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The problem is that Hamas keeps stealing it.

That's just not true. There are quite a few members of the Israeli Government against any, let alone more, aid for Palestinians in Gaza, or the West Bank. Those Israeli Government members seem to think that if they just starve the Palestinians then the Palestinians will conveniently ethnically cleanse themselves.

That's false. Aid convoys have been going in. But they have been having other issues, like finding truck drivers willing to risk their lives. Hamas has opened fire around the trucks when people complained about them stealing the aid.

Post your source for this claim.

Are you for real? There have been dozens and dozens of documented instances of Hamas shooting people and threatening people and taking the aid for themselves going back to December and earlier. Here's yet another recent instance: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

Stop gaslighting. Stop defending Hamas. Stop deflecting. Stop pretending none of this is real. Stop pretending there is one and only one bad guy here and that it's the IDF.

This is a lie spread by Israel that Hamas is stealing aid. Both the UN and the US say this is not happening. So do you believe Israel or the US?

From a Wapo article today:

Israeli officials have repeatedly charged that any lack of aid is due to Hamas looting inside Gaza, something that both the United Nations and the United States deny. Any looting that has taken place, a U.N. spokesman said in recent days, has been by “desperate” Gazan civilians who don’t know when or if the next delivery will come.

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/14/israel-gaza-low-intensity/

Did you forget when Hamas fighters pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment in the early days of the war? Maybe you missed that.

Again with this Israeli lie - it didn't happen.

All of these so-called "Israeli lies" have been repeatedly documented.

Documented by IDF but unverified - just like 40 beheaded babies.

There's video, photographic evidence and other things to prove many of the Israeli statements. Whereas Hamas has provided virtually nothing to actually debunk any of it, just empty blanket statements of "it's a lie."

Please post the evidence that Hamas stole aid and, as you say, "pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment."

There are numerous sources including frustrated Palestinians who have bravely spoken out against Hamas. One example here:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/25/news/hamas-in-control-of-unrwa-aid-group-in-gaza-palestinian-man/

NY Post? You might as well have posted something from the Daily Fail or Faux News. You are not going to win this argument by posting a link from a bias "news" source. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The final example of duplicitous negotiations :

Bibi sends reps to Doha, Qatar and asks them to fund Hamas more generously . This was 2019.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visited-qatar-begged-it-to-pay-hamas-liberman-says/amp/

I feel bad for both Israeli and Palestinian people . They suffer due to bad leadership and poor representatives not invested in peace because peace is for losers, there has to be a winner in their cultural views and God will declare it so of course .

Clearly the bad guys (Bibi, Likud, and Hamas) are hell bent on ensuring there will never be peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Israel prefers to shoot hostages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Tell us what would happen if Israel agreed to a unilateral ceasefire, please? Because Hamas would continue their efforts to exterminate Jews... which is fine by you. What you really mean is Jews should not be allowed to fight back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Tell us what would happen if Israel agreed to a unilateral ceasefire, please? Because Hamas would continue their efforts to exterminate Jews... which is fine by you. What you really mean is Jews should not be allowed to fight back.

Ceasefire means both sides stop firing.

What happens if the ceasefire is broken by one side or another is part of the conditions of a ceasefire treaty.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are not the sharpest knives in the drawer......

Are they chanting Jihad in Washington Dc, a few miles from the post 9/11 Pentagon and waving a terrorist flag? What the actual F?

.

Expressing support for a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid for Palestinians in Gaza is hardly calling for Jihad. It also does not make them anti semites ….

Absolutely everyone is for more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The problem is that Hamas keeps stealing it.

That's just not true. There are quite a few members of the Israeli Government against any, let alone more, aid for Palestinians in Gaza, or the West Bank. Those Israeli Government members seem to think that if they just starve the Palestinians then the Palestinians will conveniently ethnically cleanse themselves.

That's false. Aid convoys have been going in. But they have been having other issues, like finding truck drivers willing to risk their lives. Hamas has opened fire around the trucks when people complained about them stealing the aid.

Post your source for this claim.

Are you for real? There have been dozens and dozens of documented instances of Hamas shooting people and threatening people and taking the aid for themselves going back to December and earlier. Here's yet another recent instance: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

Stop gaslighting. Stop defending Hamas. Stop deflecting. Stop pretending none of this is real. Stop pretending there is one and only one bad guy here and that it's the IDF.

This is a lie spread by Israel that Hamas is stealing aid. Both the UN and the US say this is not happening. So do you believe Israel or the US?

From a Wapo article today:

Israeli officials have repeatedly charged that any lack of aid is due to Hamas looting inside Gaza, something that both the United Nations and the United States deny. Any looting that has taken place, a U.N. spokesman said in recent days, has been by “desperate” Gazan civilians who don’t know when or if the next delivery will come.

A senior U.S. official also sharply disputed Israel’s characterization, saying that “the Israeli government has not brought to the attention of the U.S. government … any specific evidence of Hamas theft or diversion of assistance provided via the U.N. and its agencies. Full stop.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/14/israel-gaza-low-intensity/

Did you forget when Hamas fighters pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment in the early days of the war? Maybe you missed that.

Again with this Israeli lie - it didn't happen.

All of these so-called "Israeli lies" have been repeatedly documented.

Documented by IDF but unverified - just like 40 beheaded babies.

There's video, photographic evidence and other things to prove many of the Israeli statements. Whereas Hamas has provided virtually nothing to actually debunk any of it, just empty blanket statements of "it's a lie."

Please post the evidence that Hamas stole aid and, as you say, "pushed themselves to the front of the line, (ahead of dying children) to get medical treatment."

There are numerous sources including frustrated Palestinians who have bravely spoken out against Hamas. One example here:

https://nypost.com/2023/12/25/news/hamas-in-control-of-unrwa-aid-group-in-gaza-palestinian-man/

Your proof is an IDF recording? IDF has lied so much in this war that I can not believe them on anything.

Please provide specific evidence that the IDF lied about this specific conversation. You cannot accuse the brave men and women of the IDF of lying with no evidence of such. Doing so is slander and you should be very careful as there are many of us American Jews perfectly willing to proceed with legal proceedings to protect our heroes in the IDF from such nasty slander.

What has been clearly established, however, is that the United Nations is a strong ally and supporter of Hamas in their fenocidal mission. That cannot be disputed. We have also seen that Hamas steals every drop of aid brought into Gaza. Until we completely stop all aid, all we are doing is feeding the Hamas war machine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are sub-human cretins.

And, we have Americans marching in support of these terrorists......

No. The protests are for a ceasefire and for the US to stop funding Israel. The Protests are not in support of Hamas terrorists.

Will Israel save the hostages lives by agreeing to a ceasefire?

Tell us what would happen if Israel agreed to a unilateral ceasefire, please? Because Hamas would continue their efforts to exterminate Jews... which is fine by you. What you really mean is Jews should not be allowed to fight back.

Ceasefire means both sides stop firing.

What happens if the ceasefire is broken by one side or another is part of the conditions of a ceasefire treaty.

Which is why there can not be a ceasefire until every single Hamas supporter is either dead or locked up in Israeli prison.

Because Hamas will never abide by any ceasefire. They will keep killing and raping and destroying the world until they achieve their goal of the death of every Jew in the world.