Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
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Anonymous
“To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” — Henry Kissinger Ukraine (and Armenia) is about to find this out the hard way. |
Anonymous
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Western-made armor isn't working in Ukraine because it wasn't designed for a conflict of this intensity, Ukrainian analyst says:
https://news.yahoo.com/western-made-armor-isnt-working-111700196.html?guccounter=2 So what was Western made armor made for? |
Anonymous
These are the same people who said Russia would over run Ukraine in a day. The problem is the piecemeal approach taken by the US. 31 M1s really will not do much but it does allow the Russians time to adapt to the new tank. This has been to process from the start. |
Anonymous
It was made for Cold War era Fulda Gap. The M1 and M2/3 families are approaching half a century of service. The same holds true for the British Challenger and German Leopard. The West lost two decades of armor development during GWOT, when the assumption was we’d be fighting low intensity conflicts for a hundred years (and armor isn’t particular useful “hearts and minds” CT/CI operations). However, AT systems used by adversaries did progress to the point that M1s in Iraq were being taken out by insurgents emplying newer model RPG type systems. Western armor also tends towards the reliance on a very robust logistics trail. The Polish just selected the ROK Army’s K2 as its next gen main battle tank. That should tell you something. The Marines have ditched the M1 all together (with no replacement). |
Anonymous
Armor is only one piece of the combined arms pie though. You also need CAS, air superiority through air forces and ADA, army attack aviation, artillery and missile fires, dismounted infantry transported via air and ground, combat engineers, a secure and reliable comms infrastructure, robust intel and SOF, and maybe most importantly, responsive logistics. You also need command and staff trained in employing forces in a flexible and holistic fashion. |
Anonymous
Whoever posted this needs to be corrected on two points. - For a while the Marines toyed with the idea of doing more inland missions (ex. Bosnia). That didn't last long. M1's and ocean / beach don't mix. After that, the Marines needed a replacement that could go amphibious. - Only seven M1's have ever been destroyed in combat in Iraq; none by enemy fire - all by friendly fire. 14 were damaged by enemy fire (ex. "mobility kill"), but not destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams#:~:text=A%20total%20of%2023%20M1A1s,lost%20to%20enemy%20tank%20fire. The proper use for the M1's would be for the Ukrainians to disperse them in groups of 3 or 4 to their Mechanized Infantry Brigades as "overwatch" with support from air-defense, thermal-imaging drones, and artillery units. The mech would 'move to contact' then the M1's would target the emplacements or armor from long-range. That ensures that as much as the Russians might try, the M1's would just pick them off before they could even get within range; so it's a good fit for the fields they're trying to recapture now. At night, M1's could 'sniper' the enemy at long-range. True, the M1's can shoot-n-scoot, but that strategy is for "breakthrough" missions without heavy mines. What the Russian's should be concerned about is that fall / early winter is coming up. Their front-line positions as well as mines will stand out more than usual (mines will show up as either 'hot' or 'cold' spots) making the Russian defenses slightly easier to navigate. |
Anonymous
| Are the "Ukraine is totally going to win with this one weird trick" crew essential workers or will they get furloughed too? |
Anonymous
I don't know. Is Putin still paying you...or are you getting stiffed like the rest of his military? |
Anonymous
No that is not how you use armor. You use the M1 speed, armor and fire power to punch through their lines by destroying Russian armor as in 73 Easting. Once the break through is made you pour in your Soviet made crap and let them seek out the squishy support units. |
Anonymous
Ukrainians will never have sufficient armor to fight like this. They also lack the C2 capacity and logistics to employ armor in this fashion. |
Anonymous
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More K street narratives falling apart on a weekly basis.
Time to make peace, before European governments fall. |
Anonymous
I do not know about that. 73 Easting was about 36 M1A1 tanks unsupported(no air or artillery) defeating two dug in enemy brigades, the Tawakalna Division's 18th Brigade and, later in the day, the 9th Armored Brigade. That was 160 Iraqi tanks, 180 personnel carriers, 12 artillery pieces and 80 wheeled vehicles As for logistics the Ukrainians are not projecting a force a cross the global. They are well within their logistics capabilities and would be able to support at least a 75- 100 miles break through. They are fighting from their own country. Remember break throughs are more of an encircling vs pushing to Moscow. Once there is a break through it’s all tank country wide open and relatively flat. The Russian will have to abandon much of the defensive line because it will be very hard to resupply. |
Anonymous
| Congress will approve no more aid. Jig is up 😆 |
Anonymous
The MAGA obstructionists will be told to sit back down in the children's section of the chamber in a couple weeks, and the Senate aid will be approved. |
Anonymous
Trained on the Fulda Gap scenario? Times have changed. Look at the front-lines and defenses map again. Russia has set up so many defensive lines, the M1's couldn't run that far before bumping into one. Those are (dated) American tactics when you have an overwhelming firepower advantage in a combined arms force with air superiority; none of which Ukraine currently has. Those tactics won't work (and haven't been working) in Ukraine. They would have to capture a major highway or similar. Plus a grouping of M1's would be far too attractive a target (both militarily and propaganda-wise). |