Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

before yesterday, to me, it felt like the murder 2 would be a definite NG, the man 2 a G, and the murder 3 could go either way. now it feels like the charge that could go either way has shifted to the murder 2, and the murder 3 closer to a lock.

[Anonymous]

Who actually called the ambulance? Has that been mentioned?

[Anonymous]

I agree that the prosecution witnesses were much better prepared. They got references to all the evidence, remembered video times, etc. The defense witnesses (like the one yesterday) kept saying "I don't recall" or "I'd have to see again" etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who actually called the ambulance? Has that been mentioned?

I thought one of the police officers did, initially, and then either they or dispatch escalated it (someone correct me if I'm wrong...).

[Anonymous]

Isn't a lot of this medical examiner's testimony out of scope? He's talking about kidneys and such?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone watching today? The defense medical expert is on. I can't wait for cross... he keeps even mentioning the paraganglioma (sp?, which multiple other experts have said have nothing to do with Floyd's death.

I had work zoom meetings all morning so I'm just tuning in. Why were they talking about carbon monoxide so much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone watching today? The defense medical expert is on. I can't wait for cross... he keeps even mentioning the paraganglioma (sp?, which multiple other experts have said have nothing to do with Floyd's death.

I had work zoom meetings all morning so I'm just tuning in. Why were they talking about carbon monoxide so much?

They are arguing that Floyd's proximity to (running?) vehicles could have contributed because he could have breathed in CO, which interacted with his heart conditions etc. to facilitate death.

[Anonymous]

Well this is interesting. Dr. Fowler is a former Maryland chief medical examiner, and he's being sued by a Black Maryland family over a 19-year-olds death as he was held down by police officers. The family believes he participated in a cover-up of police responsibility for the death.

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/04/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-trial-anton-black/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well this is interesting. Dr. Fowler is a former Maryland chief medical examiner, and he's being sued by a Black Maryland family over a 19-year-olds death as he was held down by police officers. The family believes he participated in a cover-up of police responsibility for the death.

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/04/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-trial-anton-black/

Is the prosecution allowed to bring that up, I wonder?

[Anonymous]

What has been brought up is of all the pathologists the defense could have used, why did they use someone from S.Africa, implying a possibility he is biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What has been brought up is of all the pathologists the defense could have used, why did they use someone from S.Africa, implying a possibility he is biased.

There also seem to be very few POC testifying as experts...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well this is interesting. Dr. Fowler is a former Maryland chief medical examiner, and he's being sued by a Black Maryland family over a 19-year-olds death as he was held down by police officers. The family believes he participated in a cover-up of police responsibility for the death.

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/04/derek-chauvin-george-floyd-trial-anton-black/

Is the prosecution allowed to bring that up, I wonder?

No, the jurors will not be privy to this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

before yesterday, to me, it felt like the murder 2 would be a definite NG, the man 2 a G, and the murder 3 could go either way. now it feels like the charge that could go either way has shifted to the murder 2, and the murder 3 closer to a lock.

Yes. Assuming G = good, NG = no go, I agree.

I find this sad. As awful and tragic as this was, I don’t think Chauvin meant for it to happen. it would have been much much harder than people believe to forsee and avoid in the moment—maybe impossible. I don’t think he deserves a murder conviction, but it seems increasingly likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

before yesterday, to me, it felt like the murder 2 would be a definite NG, the man 2 a G, and the murder 3 could go either way. now it feels like the charge that could go either way has shifted to the murder 2, and the murder 3 closer to a lock.

Yes. Assuming G = good, NG = no go, I agree.

I find this sad. As awful and tragic as this was, I don’t think Chauvin meant for it to happen. it would have been much much harder than people believe to forsee and avoid in the moment—maybe impossible. I don’t think he deserves a murder conviction, but it seems increasingly likely.

I would assume pp was saying G for guilty and NG for not guilty 😉

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not only did that expert possibly seal Chauvin’s Second Degree Murder fate, by his testimony that he agreed that Chauvin acknowledged Floyd saying, “I can’t breath, my back hurts, my legs hurt, my body hurts” etc, and Chauvin can be heard saying, “uh-huh” implicating him that he was aware that Floyd was struggling and did nothing to help him. He was also a terrible witness in not being prepared for trial, being unfamiliar with past testimony and reports.

I think Dr. Flower seems more credible, calm and has a better disposition.

before yesterday, to me, it felt like the murder 2 would be a definite NG, the man 2 a G, and the murder 3 could go either way. now it feels like the charge that could go either way has shifted to the murder 2, and the murder 3 closer to a lock.

Yes. Assuming G = good, NG = no go, I agree.

I find this sad. As awful and tragic as this was, I don’t think Chauvin meant for it to happen. it would have been much much harder than people believe to forsee and avoid in the moment—maybe impossible. I don’t think he deserves a murder conviction, but it seems increasingly likely.

I definitely don’t think he meant for it to happen but I think he deserves a murder conviction and have zero qualms about it. This was depraved indifference. I don’t, however, think the other cops deserve any conviction.