US News 2020 rankings

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. You folks are really going to put US News out of business with your personal groupings.

It is how most people think. Sorry if your kid's school isn't on the list but James Madison is a wonderful school.

I have degrees from a 1A and a 1B and my kid is headed to a 3A this fall. Planning to beat DC tonight unless one of you moves the school to 2B by 8 PM.

And, no, this is not how "most people think," even in rarefied professional circles. It's entirely your personal vanity project.

I am a different poster and I agree.

[Anonymous]

So many desperate strivers in this thread. Outside of the Ivy, MIT and Stanford top bucket, nobody really give a damn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many desperate strivers in this thread. Outside of the Ivy, MIT and Stanford top bucket, nobody really give a damn.

Ok so nobody cares about Duke, Hopkins, Chicago, Wash U, Emory, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, Berkley, Michigan, UVA...

you are just wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many desperate strivers in this thread. Outside of the Ivy, MIT and Stanford top bucket, nobody really give a damn.

That's dishonest. I've had Uber drivers impressed with my school and it's a 2B. Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth are not really ivy tier IF that is the standard you choose to use.

[Anonymous]

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1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

[Anonymous]

I got seniors in high school. One going to a 2B and one to a 3A...how did they do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

Vassar is below Barnard? That makes no sense. It’s a step above Barnard, not below. Should be 2B.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

+1. BU and Northeastern are in at least the same category as BC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Son, I am waiting on the UVA boosters showing up to say the Harvard on the 'ville...the Harvard of Virginia, etc. And the GDS posters showing up to say Tier 1 is composed of all GDS grads.

Dude, CalTech is nothing more than a hi-tech votech compared to MIT. I’ve had more than one CalTech grad tutoring my kid i connected through various HS tutoring websites.

You might need tutoring.

CalTech people aren’t all that smart or well rounded.
It’s the stupid people with no smarts like you who think they are.

Caltech SAT/ACT:

25th Percentile 75th Percentile
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing 740 760
SAT Math 790 800
ACT Composite 35 36
ACT Math 35 36
ACT English 35 36

MIT SAT/ACT:

25th Percentile 75th Percentile
SAT Evidence-Based Reading and Writing 720 770
SAT Math 780 800
ACT Composite 34 36
ACT Math 34 36
ACT English 34 36

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

What would make you think most people generally agree with this? That is you trying to reassure yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Pomona is more selective than all of these schools in terms of admit rate. Their admissions percentage was 8% this cycle. Wellesley was 20%, Emory 18.5%, UC Berkeley 17.1%, Georgetown 16.38%, Notre Dame is 15.8%, Carnegie Mellon 15%, WashU St.Louis 14%, UCLA 12.3%, and UCLA 12.3%.

Closest peers in this group in terms of selectivity (all with higher admit rates) are Rice 11.1%, Cornell 10.55%, and Vanderbilt 9.6%,

Pomona has a lower admit rate than majority of your 1B group (Penn 9.3%, Duke 9.9%, Chicago 8.7%), and all of your 2A group (Northwestern 9.2%, Brown 8.5%, Dartmouth 10.4%, Williams 13%, Amherst 12.9%, and John's Hopkins 12.5%).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Pomona is more selective than all of these schools in terms of admit rate. Their admissions percentage was 8% this cycle. Wellesley was 20%, Emory 18.5%, UC Berkeley 17.1%, Georgetown 16.38%, Notre Dame is 15.8%, Carnegie Mellon 15%, WashU St.Louis 14%, UCLA 12.3%, and UCLA 12.3%.

Closest peers in this group in terms of selectivity (all with higher admit rates) are Rice 11.1%, Cornell 10.55%, and Vanderbilt 9.6%,

Pomona has a lower admit rate than majority of your 1B group (Penn 9.3%, Duke 9.9%, Chicago 8.7%), and all of your 2A group (Northwestern 9.2%, Brown 8.5%, Dartmouth 10.4%, Williams 13%, Amherst 12.9%, and John's Hopkins 12.5%).

So do we move it to 2A? Do we have consensus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Thanks good analysis. Looks like most people generally agree with this. What about Vassar...does it belong there? What about BU? Same US news rank as W&M as an example.

Vassar is below Barnard? That makes no sense. It’s a step above Barnard, not below. Should be 2B.

Barnard has Columbia to bring it up a bit. Dont agree with either one in 2B. Maybe Vassar can be 3A as well.
W&M has history on its side so it come up a bit. BU is 4A, Case Western should be 3B.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, *John's Hopkins
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, WashU St.Louis, Carnegie Mellon

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard, GaTech, Bowdoin
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Haverford, Vassar


Good list. Should Pomona be 2A though? I am not the Pomona parent but it is usually mentioned with Amherst and Williams and Niche has it no. 1 SLAC.

Pomona is in the right place. JHU is a niche medical university so it’s in the right place. If so, CalTech should be downgraded to 2A. CalTech students usually cannot get into Ivy schools. They are just good at math/science.

Pomona is more selective than all of these schools in terms of admit rate. Their admissions percentage was 8% this cycle. Wellesley was 20%, Emory 18.5%, UC Berkeley 17.1%, Georgetown 16.38%, Notre Dame is 15.8%, Carnegie Mellon 15%, WashU St.Louis 14%, UCLA 12.3%, and UCLA 12.3%.

Closest peers in this group in terms of selectivity (all with higher admit rates) are Rice 11.1%, Cornell 10.55%, and Vanderbilt 9.6%,

Pomona has a lower admit rate than majority of your 1B group (Penn 9.3%, Duke 9.9%, Chicago 8.7%), and all of your 2A group (Northwestern 9.2%, Brown 8.5%, Dartmouth 10.4%, Williams 13%, Amherst 12.9%, and John's Hopkins 12.5%).

So do we move it to 2A? Do we have consensus?

I feel as though if you move Pomona up you'll also have to move Swarthmore up, and I just don't agree with that. Pomona is only more selective because the competition for top LACs on the west coast is slim. Outcomes wise, I don't think Pomona grad do better than Vandy, Emory, Cornell grads. However I may be wrong.