That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:more about the family:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/brock-turner-parents-father-dad-mother-mom-dan-carleen-facebook-page-20-minutes-of-action/

Just a "normal" middle of the road family. Mom's a nurse, dad a civilian contractor for the Air Force.

Dad's apparently involved in Republican politics, judging by that picture of him with Lindsay Graham.

How am I not surprised?

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Anonymous wrote:Holy. Shit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenduca/status/739505679635992577

Yeah, I saw that. With parents like that, is it any wonder he doesn't think he did anything wrong? Dad also points out the rape wasn't violent, like that makes it ok (... She was unconscious ...)

All rape is violent. Dafuq.

"Violent rape" is inherently a redundant phrase.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of people sympathizing with Brock, because they've behaved similarly in their past. And to call him a rapist is to call yourself a rapist, and no one wants to think of themselves as a rapist.

There also seems to be a lot of people here who don't want to admit that getting blitzed drunk and unconscious for hours is very dangerous. No one wants to think of themselves that way.

No one has claimed that getting drunk and passing out is good behavior. NO ONE. Doesn't have anything to do with this guy's guilt.

and I didn't say it did.

Every time you post, you excuse the rapist's behavior. You are part of the problem that led this guy to think that this was okay.

not this girl

me either. I have not excused his behavior in any of my posts

It's worse. Your posts aid and abet this kind of behavior. When you focus on what the victim did or didn't do, you excuse the rapist's behavior. When you state that something bad was bound to happen because she was drunk, you equate her rape to a bad hang-over. You create an environment where the woman is blamed for her own rape and where what happened to her is minimized.

You help rapists rape.

Truly, your words are despicable and false. You have no idea who I am or what I do or what I've experienced.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of people sympathizing with Brock, because they've behaved similarly in their past. And to call him a rapist is to call yourself a rapist, and no one wants to think of themselves as a rapist.

There also seems to be a lot of people here who don't want to admit that getting blitzed drunk and unconscious for hours is very dangerous. No one wants to think of themselves that way.

No one has claimed that getting drunk and passing out is good behavior. NO ONE. Doesn't have anything to do with this guy's guilt.

and I didn't say it did.

Every time you post, you excuse the rapist's behavior. You are part of the problem that led this guy to think that this was okay.

not this girl

me either. I have not excused his behavior in any of my posts

It's worse. Your posts aid and abet this kind of behavior. When you focus on what the victim did or didn't do, you excuse the rapist's behavior. When you state that something bad was bound to happen because she was drunk, you equate her rape to a bad hang-over. You create an environment where the woman is blamed for her own rape and where what happened to her is minimized.

You help rapists rape.

Not the PP, but go take your meds. You should also apologize to PP for this lunatic crap you are spewing at her. She isn't the person who assaulted you. Take your anger elsewhere.

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I think the PP's comparison to drunken driving is apt. Someone who kills a person while driving drunk may not be an evil human being or a risk to others generally speaking. But most of us would agree that being intoxicated doesn't absolve you of responsibility for any harm done while you're behind the wheel.

On that basis, it seems like the Stanford guy should be held responsible for any and all crimes he committed while intoxicated, even if he's unlikely to do anything like that ever again and even if it was the alcohol that impaired his judgment.

But I agree with some of the PPs about the responsibility of the woman in this situation. Not legal responsibility of course, but personal responsibility. Her impaired judgment played a huge role in what happened to her, and her choices caused that impaired judgment. (As opposed to someone who is drugged without their knowledge or someone who is mentally impaired.)

Anyone who gets hit by a bus is a victim, and deserves sympathy as well as justice. But if you were high or drunk out of your mind and wandering in the middle of the street, you are partially responsible for what has happened to you. Getting blackout drunk isn't the same thing as wearing a short skirt.

I say that as someone who did a lot of stupid things in college, and I look at this woman and think there but for the grace of God....Hopefully all our kids, both boys and girls, will look at this story and take the lesson that binge drinking is a ticket to terrible, terrible situations.

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Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.


The judge did good in this case.

Probably in the minority on this forum but I completely agree with you. And for her to equate her experience with that if someone who is raped by a stranger (i.e. Pulled off the sidewalk without warning and raped with life threatened) trivializes the latter's assault. These crimes are absolutely different.

Rape is rape. I wasn't pulled off a street by a random but I was drugged and carried unconscious up to his dorm room. You think my experience in the aftermath of my rape is different bc I was drinking that night or bc I left my beer unattended with someone I thought was a friend? The only thing that makes my experience different than the violent stranger rape you describe, is that people like you would blame me for thinking I should be able to go out and have a beer w/o getting raped. Actually, people like you would probably also blame a victim of stranger rape for their clothing or the hour they were walking around at night. This woman was so drunk that she passed out unconscious. he was rejected by other more coherent women's that night - he chose her bc she couldn't fight back. Let me repeat, rape is rape.

The key point is that those other women rejected him and he backed off. He was not trying to force himself on anyone. And Emily Doe was not exactly a babe in the woods herself. She willingly left with this guy and she probably would have willingly engaged in sexual acts with him if she had not passed out. But she did pass out and he kept going...an obvious sexual assault.

This was going to be a regrettable night for Emily Doe whether she met up with this guy or not. If he had just backed off and left her alone she STILL would have been passed out behind a dumpster like a skid row bum.

He backed off because the other ones verbally rejected him. Daunted, he just went and found a girl who wasn't in great condition so he could take advantage of her, which he did. Please stop acting like he was some fine gentleman who called on ladies who were otherwise occupied and went about his merry way. He was a rapist who sought a victim and found one.

She was a college grad (or drop out) who had been to plenty of these parties before. I really don't see her as the "wounded antelope". I see him as a drunk, horny guy who jumped at the chance to leave a party with a woman with the purpose of having consensual sex. He didn't drag her out of there, they left together and probably fooled around a bit until she passed out. Instead of stopping he assaulted her.

Rapists generally don't go around parties making their intentions to rape clear to every woman there. But guys looking to hook up with willing women are a bit more obvious. Every woman at that party knew that this guy wanted action. And Emily Doe left with him...she probably was open to some action herself. But that ceased to be the case when she no longer knew what was happening to her.

see there is no way you can know this. we DON"T KNOW how they ended up behind the dumpster.

You seriously don't think that it wouldn't have been mentioned at the trial if someone had seen him dragging/carrying a passed out Emily Doe out of that party? I am going by what people actually did see him doing. I am also going by what I know to be fairly typical at these kinds of parties. The guy was coming onto women, most were rejecting him and apparently Emily Doe went with him. He didn't kidnap her, they left together. And at some point after that she passed out and wound up lying behind a dumpster being assaulted.

You seriously don't think it would've been mentioned at the trial if she happily and consciously left with him? The guy was coming onto women, most were rejecting him, and he finally found one so far gone that she couldn't reject him. And she didn't "wind up" being assaulted, like it was some inevitable consequence to drinking. He did what he wanted with her body, after she passed out, behind a dumpster.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of people sympathizing with Brock, because they've behaved similarly in their past. And to call him a rapist is to call yourself a rapist, and no one wants to think of themselves as a rapist.

There also seems to be a lot of people here who don't want to admit that getting blitzed drunk and unconscious for hours is very dangerous. No one wants to think of themselves that way.

No one has claimed that getting drunk and passing out is good behavior. NO ONE. Doesn't have anything to do with this guy's guilt.

and I didn't say it did.

Every time you post, you excuse the rapist's behavior. You are part of the problem that led this guy to think that this was okay.

not this girl

me either. I have not excused his behavior in any of my posts

It's worse. Your posts aid and abet this kind of behavior. When you focus on what the victim did or didn't do, you excuse the rapist's behavior. When you state that something bad was bound to happen because she was drunk, you equate her rape to a bad hang-over. You create an environment where the woman is blamed for her own rape and where what happened to her is minimized.

You help rapists rape.

Truly, your words are despicable and false. You have no idea who I am or what I do or what I've experienced.

I don't need to know who you are. I can see what you do. You are here on this thread, creating and maintaining rape culture. You help rapists rape.

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Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.


The judge did good in this case.

Probably in the minority on this forum but I completely agree with you. And for her to equate her experience with that if someone who is raped by a stranger (i.e. Pulled off the sidewalk without warning and raped with life threatened) trivializes the latter's assault. These crimes are absolutely different.

Rape is rape. I wasn't pulled off a street by a random but I was drugged and carried unconscious up to his dorm room. You think my experience in the aftermath of my rape is different bc I was drinking that night or bc I left my beer unattended with someone I thought was a friend? The only thing that makes my experience different than the violent stranger rape you describe, is that people like you would blame me for thinking I should be able to go out and have a beer w/o getting raped. Actually, people like you would probably also blame a victim of stranger rape for their clothing or the hour they were walking around at night. This woman was so drunk that she passed out unconscious. he was rejected by other more coherent women's that night - he chose her bc she couldn't fight back. Let me repeat, rape is rape.

The key point is that those other women rejected him and he backed off. He was not trying to force himself on anyone. And Emily Doe was not exactly a babe in the woods herself. She willingly left with this guy and she probably would have willingly engaged in sexual acts with him if she had not passed out. But she did pass out and he kept going...an obvious sexual assault.

This was going to be a regrettable night for Emily Doe whether she met up with this guy or not. If he had just backed off and left her alone she STILL would have been passed out behind a dumpster like a skid row bum.

Regretting a drunk night is way, way, WAY different than being raped.

She could have been the Virgin Mary and people like you would still find a way to rationalize that it was her fault.

Do you not get that having a drunk night where you remember nothing is allowing other people to take advantage of you if they want? What he did isn't fair, right, or legal. He's a criminal. Why put your trust in a (potential) criminal?

Do you not get that college kids make mistakes and do stupid things? Why do you focus so much on her behavior, rather than the behavior of her rapist? Why is the most important issue to you what she did to deserve what happened to her? Why spend all of your time raking a woman over the coals for being stupid, as if that were the same thing as the man's behavior for being a rapist?

Women don't just get raped when they are drunk. Women get raped when they are sober, too. Rape is the problem, not the behavior of women.

You're saying were focusing on her rather than him . He's going to jail, is a convicted felon on the sex offender registry. He's being punished. Why shouldn't we also talk about her?

There you go again, equating her behavior to his. The last time I checked getting drunk isn't illegal. Rape is.

She is the victim. She didn't volunteer for this. She now has PTSD and a life-time of emotional pain. She doesn't deserve to be raked over the coals because you don't approve her behavior. She didn't do anything illegal, unlike Brock.

Exactly why women should help and encourage other women to try to be as safe as possible and try to not put themselves in situations that could be potentially dangerous. That's not the same as blaming her or any other victim of a crime.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenduca/status/739505679635992577

Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.


The judge did good in this case.

Probably in the minority on this forum but I completely agree with you. And for her to equate her experience with that if someone who is raped by a stranger (i.e. Pulled off the sidewalk without warning and raped with life threatened) trivializes the latter's assault. These crimes are absolutely different.

Rape is rape. I wasn't pulled off a street by a random but I was drugged and carried unconscious up to his dorm room. You think my experience in the aftermath of my rape is different bc I was drinking that night or bc I left my beer unattended with someone I thought was a friend? The only thing that makes my experience different than the violent stranger rape you describe, is that people like you would blame me for thinking I should be able to go out and have a beer w/o getting raped. Actually, people like you would probably also blame a victim of stranger rape for their clothing or the hour they were walking around at night. This woman was so drunk that she passed out unconscious. he was rejected by other more coherent women's that night - he chose her bc she couldn't fight back. Let me repeat, rape is rape.

The key point is that those other women rejected him and he backed off. He was not trying to force himself on anyone. And Emily Doe was not exactly a babe in the woods herself. She willingly left with this guy and she probably would have willingly engaged in sexual acts with him if she had not passed out. But she did pass out and he kept going...an obvious sexual assault.

This was going to be a regrettable night for Emily Doe whether she met up with this guy or not. If he had just backed off and left her alone she STILL would have been passed out behind a dumpster like a skid row bum.

He backed off because the other ones verbally rejected him. Daunted, he just went and found a girl who wasn't in great condition so he could take advantage of her, which he did. Please stop acting like he was some fine gentleman who called on ladies who were otherwise occupied and went about his merry way. He was a rapist who sought a victim and found one.

She was a college grad (or drop out) who had been to plenty of these parties before. I really don't see her as the "wounded antelope". I see him as a drunk, horny guy who jumped at the chance to leave a party with a woman with the purpose of having consensual sex. He didn't drag her out of there, they left together and probably fooled around a bit until she passed out. Instead of stopping he assaulted her.

Rapists generally don't go around parties making their intentions to rape clear to every woman there. But guys looking to hook up with willing women are a bit more obvious. Every woman at that party knew that this guy wanted action. And Emily Doe left with him...she probably was open to some action herself. But that ceased to be the case when she no longer knew what was happening to her.

see there is no way you can know this. we DON"T KNOW how they ended up behind the dumpster.

You seriously don't think that it wouldn't have been mentioned at the trial if someone had seen him dragging/carrying a passed out Emily Doe out of that party? I am going by what people actually did see him doing. I am also going by what I know to be fairly typical at these kinds of parties. The guy was coming onto women, most were rejecting him and apparently Emily Doe went with him. He didn't kidnap her, they left together. And at some point after that she passed out and wound up lying behind a dumpster being assaulted.

I didn't say that he dragged her. I didn't say that she went willingly. I said we DON'T KNOW.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the PP's comparison to drunken driving is apt.

Horse shit.

Getting drunk and driving and killing or injuring someone in a crash is awful, but it's still not deliberate violence. Getting drunk and raping someone is deliberate violence.

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This was going to be a regrettable night for Emily Doe whether she met up with this guy or not. If he had just backed off and left her alone she STILL would have been passed out behind a dumpster like a skid row bum.

And you know this how? Did she tell you she was planning to pass out behind a dumpster? Do you feel good about yourself for disparaging another human being?

She drank until she passed out. She passed out because she drank. She was going to pass out somewhere. As it turns out, she left a party alone with a 19 year old college kid who had no intention of bringing her back to his dorm room. She may have walked herself behind that dumpster to fool around with him and passed out while they were fooling around, she may have passed out on the sidewalk or in an alleyway or...anywhere. She could have met up with someone a lot scarier and more violent than Brock.

Do you not see that she made choices that were not going to end well for her that night? I am not "disparaging" this woman but she was not doing a good job of looking out for herself and she is responsible for some of the regrettable choices made that night. She did not deserve to get assaulted - nor is her assailant getting away with assaulting her. But she also is responsible for own regrettable actions.

It's not disparaging to compare a woman who was sexually attacked while unconscious to a skid row bum? Really?

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https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenduca/status/739505679635992577

Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both. She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone, that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.


The judge did good in this case.

I'm so glad I've only see a few ignorant messages like yours in response to this verdict and article.

It is not illegal to get black-out drunk. This is what the victim did.

It is illegal to stand on a public sidewalk/park/area/etc. drinking alcohol. The victim did not do this.

It is illegal to drink and then drive. The victim did not do this.

It is illegal to be drunk in public, being a nuisance. The victim did not do this.

It is illegal to sexually assault another person. This is what Brock did.

It is illegal to digitally penetrate another person. This is what Brock did.

It is illegal to rub your erect penis on an unconscious person. This is what Brock did.

It is illegal to rape another person. This is what Brock did.

Maybe by breaking it down for you, you'll be able to understand that what she did was not illegal. What he did, was illegal.

She did own up to the fact that it was not smart to drink that much. But again, not illegal. He's never owned up to the fact that what he did was illegal. Even now, after being convicted, he nor his father/family believe what he did was illegal. He did what he did because he drank is their mentality. The alcohol is the perpetrator and Brock and his victim are the real victims!

Telling a woman that she wouldn't have been raped if she hadn't of been so drunk is wrong.
Telling a woman that she wouldn't have been raped if she hadn't been running along in the dark is wrong.
Telling a woman that she wouldn't have been raped if her skirt wasn't so short is wrong.

I refuse to teach my daughter that doing any of the above could lead to her being raped. Why? Because I expect you to teach your son that rape/sexual assault is illegal. End of story.

I've taught my kids that when you're drunk out of your mind and unconscious or high on drugs, you're putting yourself in a very vulnerable position because there are bad people in this world who will take advantage of you if they can. Wish that weren't true, but it is.

NP/ guy here. PP, I don't believe anyone denies that getting drunk off your ass is a dumb thing to do. But her dumb decisions were not criminal, and they does not absolve the criminal actions of Mr. Turner.

I do agree with that there are various levels of rape. No, he did not snatch the victim of the street and force himself on her. But the end result is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of people sympathizing with Brock, because they've behaved similarly in their past. And to call him a rapist is to call yourself a rapist, and no one wants to think of themselves as a rapist.

There also seems to be a lot of people here who don't want to admit that getting blitzed drunk and unconscious for hours is very dangerous. No one wants to think of themselves that way.

No one has claimed that getting drunk and passing out is good behavior. NO ONE. Doesn't have anything to do with this guy's guilt.

and I didn't say it did.

Every time you post, you excuse the rapist's behavior. You are part of the problem that led this guy to think that this was okay.

not this girl

me either. I have not excused his behavior in any of my posts

It's worse. Your posts aid and abet this kind of behavior. When you focus on what the victim did or didn't do, you excuse the rapist's behavior. When you state that something bad was bound to happen because she was drunk, you equate her rape to a bad hang-over. You create an environment where the woman is blamed for her own rape and where what happened to her is minimized.

You help rapists rape.

Truly, your words are despicable and false. You have no idea who I am or what I do or what I've experienced.

I don't need to know who you are. I can see what you do. You are here on this thread, creating and maintaining rape culture. You help rapists rape.

Women need to think smart and strong. Encouraging them to think otherwise is very, very foolish and dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a lot of people sympathizing with Brock, because they've behaved similarly in their past. And to call him a rapist is to call yourself a rapist, and no one wants to think of themselves as a rapist.

There also seems to be a lot of people here who don't want to admit that getting blitzed drunk and unconscious for hours is very dangerous. No one wants to think of themselves that way.

No one has claimed that getting drunk and passing out is good behavior. NO ONE. Doesn't have anything to do with this guy's guilt.

and I didn't say it did.

Every time you post, you excuse the rapist's behavior. You are part of the problem that led this guy to think that this was okay.

not this girl

me either. I have not excused his behavior in any of my posts

It's worse. Your posts aid and abet this kind of behavior. When you focus on what the victim did or didn't do, you excuse the rapist's behavior. When you state that something bad was bound to happen because she was drunk, you equate her rape to a bad hang-over. You create an environment where the woman is blamed for her own rape and where what happened to her is minimized.

You help rapists rape.

Truly, your words are despicable and false. You have no idea who I am or what I do or what I've experienced.

I don't need to know who you are. I can see what you do. You are here on this thread, creating and maintaining rape culture. You help rapists rape.

you're clairvoyant? wow.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the PP's comparison to drunken driving is apt. Someone who kills a person while driving drunk may not be an evil human being or a risk to others generally speaking. But most of us would agree that being intoxicated doesn't absolve you of responsibility for any harm done while you're behind the wheel.

On that basis, it seems like the Stanford guy should be held responsible for any and all crimes he committed while intoxicated, even if he's unlikely to do anything like that ever again and even if it was the alcohol that impaired his judgment.

But I agree with some of the PPs about the responsibility of the woman in this situation. Not legal responsibility of course, but personal responsibility. Her impaired judgment played a huge role in what happened to her, and her choices caused that impaired judgment. (As opposed to someone who is drugged without their knowledge or someone who is mentally impaired.)

Anyone who gets hit by a bus is a victim, and deserves sympathy as well as justice. But if you were high or drunk out of your mind and wandering in the middle of the street, you are partially responsible for what has happened to you. Getting blackout drunk isn't the same thing as wearing a short skirt.

I say that as someone who did a lot of stupid things in college, and I look at this woman and think there but for the grace of God....Hopefully all our kids, both boys and girls, will look at this story and take the lesson that binge drinking is a ticket to terrible, terrible situations.

Wrong analogy. In this case, it wasn't that someone got hit by a bus. It's that the bus driver intentionally ran someone down.