Former Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax - murder/suicide?

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Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

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Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

The kids also lost their Mom.

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Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

The kids also lost their Mom.

Yes of course. I did not mean to leave that out. My point was though that at their mom's funeral they will be surrounded by people who loved their mom, and it will be ok for them to grieve and mourn. For their father - who the person I was responding to called a horrible soul and said could not imagine having or attending a funeral for - the kids don't have that love and support. Grieving for a murderer is complex. I have no idea if the kids attended or wanted to attend their father's funeral. But I can imagine and have empathy for the complex feelings they must have.

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They should not have had a funeral for the killer.

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Anonymous wrote:We really shouldn’t be judging how Cerina handled any of this. This woman was managing a household, her own private dental practice, and a ticking time bomb living in her house. Expecting her to make absolutely perfect clearheaded decisions isn’t right. It sounds like she tried her best and that’s all anyone really can do.

But also this was the likely outcome no matter where she lived. I'm the DV survivor that doesn't truly believe my ex couldn't still kill me today should his life suddenly go to sh!t. Abusers believe they own you and that you are the source of all their issues.

This is so true. How do you navigate that.

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Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

The kids also lost their Mom.

Yes of course. I did not mean to leave that out. My point was though that at their mom's funeral they will be surrounded by people who loved their mom, and it will be ok for them to grieve and mourn. For their father - who the person I was responding to called a horrible soul and said could not imagine having or attending a funeral for - the kids don't have that love and support. Grieving for a murderer is complex. I have no idea if the kids attended or wanted to attend their father's funeral. But I can imagine and have empathy for the complex feelings they must have.

I think out of sympathy for the children, people who attend should not be posting all these Justin photos like he died peacefully in his sleep, as opposed to what happened, watch is he killed his wife and then himself.

That’s what Journalist Jemele Hill said. She was horrified at all the glowing tributes flooding in for Justin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

The kids also lost their Mom.

Yes of course. I did not mean to leave that out. My point was though that at their mom's funeral they will be surrounded by people who loved their mom, and it will be ok for them to grieve and mourn. For their father - who the person I was responding to called a horrible soul and said could not imagine having or attending a funeral for - the kids don't have that love and support. Grieving for a murderer is complex. I have no idea if the kids attended or wanted to attend their father's funeral. But I can imagine and have empathy for the complex feelings they must have.

Excellent points.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people insist on revising history when a tragedy like this takes place.

I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that Justin was an abuser and that Cerina was a domestic violence victim. The only physical violence documented in the divorce records is of Cerina hitting him. There are dozens of examples of him being a shitty human and an alcoholic. But that's not being an abuser and that isn't domestic violence.

Cerina's bestie went on record saying that Cerina was not afraid of him, and that she'd agreed to leave immediately if she ever did feel frightened. She wasn't a victim. All indications are that she was strong and stable as she fought for what she wanted in the divorce.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15744657/justin-fairfax-estranged-wife-shooting.html

Why is it that we have to create these false stories about her being a DV victim in order to make sense of a tragedy like this? The simplest answer is usually the right answer. Access to a handgun when someone is depressed and drinking and undergoing a hotly contested divorce or another of life's most stressful moments leads to disaster.

Weird take. If she wasn’t scared of him she obviously should have been. And the broader point is that no amount of advantage in a divorce is worth your household devolving into a War of the Roses scenario with surveillance cameras and cabinet locks and one spouse locked in a room drunk with a gun. I am NOT blaming her because I also let things go way too far including physically in my divorce. In Cerina’s honor let’s figure out how to enable women to get out ASAP.

If Cerina left taking the kids, Fairfax would have pressed charges for parental abduction. He's was still a lawyer and knew the system. She would have been found guilty and spent a year in jail. It's not like she could afford a decent lawyer.

Not true. If there is no custody order in place, then it is not parental abduction.

The judge granted primary custody to his wife, Cerina Fairfax, with visitation rights for Justin contingent upon passing Breathalyzer tests before and after seeing the children.

Which means that she could leave with kids and live with them separate and apart while divorce is pending. She had primary physical custody.

Fairfax had visitation rights. She had to keep in contact and make the children available. She couldn't deny him access.

Relocating to a rented apartment a 2 miles away does not equal denying access to the children. Many couples share children all the time. But I believe living separately (truly separately, not at the same house) would take an edge off and de-escalate any anger between the couples.

How do you all seem to not understand that the trigger for the murder was him being forced to move out? Like no, moving out was not going to de-escalate that homicidal situation.

How do you not understand that if she moved out from the marital residence, then there would be no court order requiring him to move out. She wanted the house that is why she stayed there. Sometimes you have to give an idiot more money to continue to live happy life after the divorce. She was staying and fighting for 1) house and 2) spousal support that she would be required to pay him. Otherwise, she would have signed property settlement agreement long long time ago.

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Also, she was paying all the bills, including the mortgage. Maybe she didn’t have enough money to continue paying the mortgage and having another residence while she sifted through the divorce talks.

Not everyone is made of money. The house could’ve gone into foreclosure had she moved out and stopped paying.

Not everyone can get a bail out from mommy and daddy nor do they have endless funds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should not have had a funeral for the killer.

No. They should have done whatever to his body that he feared most in life and dumped his remains in a landfill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The word on the street is that Justin Fairfax’s funeral was yesterday. I did not attend but spoke with someone whose friend attended. I don’t think Cerina’s funeral has taken place yet.

I cannot imagine having or attending a funeral for this horrible soul.

My kid attends the same school as one of the children, so I have been thinknig about this. The thing is, the kids still lost their Dad. Their Dad was a murderer, yes, and it's an understantement that those kids likely lived through a lot of discord/tension. But he was their Dad, and there were good times. I am sure they still love him, though it must be a very complex, traumatic love. He's also still someone who had parents and siblings, and family. Funerals are for the living. Dead peole don't care. So I hope that the children, if they chose to attend, received support and saw friendly faces.

It's so awful for the kids. I'm sure the mother's family wants nothing to do whatsoever with Justin, his funeral, his family. I'm sure they won't be buried together, and obviously not have a funeral together, or have families that mourn together. And that's just another crappy thing their father did to them - leaving them with complex grief and trauma and unresolved feelings at this terrible, terrible time in their lives, when they should be thinking teenage thoughts and experiencing teenage rights of passage.

The kids also lost their Mom.

Yes of course. I did not mean to leave that out. My point was though that at their mom's funeral they will be surrounded by people who loved their mom, and it will be ok for them to grieve and mourn. For their father - who the person I was responding to called a horrible soul and said could not imagine having or attending a funeral for - the kids don't have that love and support. Grieving for a murderer is complex. I have no idea if the kids attended or wanted to attend their father's funeral. But I can imagine and have empathy for the complex feelings they must have.

All of this. I so feel for those poor kids.