RTO and No Childcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

True, it’s impossible to reassign someone temporarily due to a physical condition. I’m sure every man in the military was dismissed if he got injured.

Many men *were* (and still are) dismissed if they got injured, actually. Have you never heard of a discharge?

Sounds like the PP’s mom got knocked up, against the rules of her employment, and wants to cry sexism when she suffered the consequences of her actions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

The lifestyle was different in the 1950s allowing more families to live on one income. Houses were smaller. No dishwashers. Often no air conditioning, second car, dining out, vacations other than to their families. Fewer clothes, fewer things. Living on one income is still possible, but challenging in this area.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

True, it’s impossible to reassign someone temporarily due to a physical condition. I’m sure every man in the military was dismissed if he got injured.

Many men *were* (and still are) dismissed if they got injured, actually. Have you never heard of a discharge?

Sounds like the PP’s mom got knocked up, against the rules of her employment, and wants to cry sexism when she suffered the consequences of her actions.

The point is that the rule is sexist. If my employer required me to wear a skirt to work it would be predictable that I'd be fired if I wore pants. It would also be sexist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In reading the threads about RTO, I have been amazed at how many could not return because they lack childcare. I have said for years, one positive of COVID has been the bandwidth for working mothers that generous telework has allowed. As I went from active duty military to FED, I have always had childcare and still do; but I recognize that is because my military career embedded that need. There is a childcare shortage in this country - especially in NOVA. Could you not RTO due to lack of childcare? Or the cost of childcare would make it uneconomical? If so, are you a woman?

Why are parents entitled to outsourcing their child for cheap? Hiring a complete stranger to essentially parent your child is a luxury, as caregivers have just as many living expenses as you do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reading the threads about RTO, I have been amazed at how many could not return because they lack childcare. I have said for years, one positive of COVID has been the bandwidth for working mothers that generous telework has allowed. As I went from active duty military to FED, I have always had childcare and still do; but I recognize that is because my military career embedded that need. There is a childcare shortage in this country - especially in NOVA. Could you not RTO due to lack of childcare? Or the cost of childcare would make it uneconomical? If so, are you a woman?

Why are parents entitled to outsourcing their child for cheap? Hiring a complete stranger to essentially parent your child is a luxury, as caregivers have just as many living expenses as you do.

No one is saying this. I've never once heard anyone say that childcare is a human right. But lack of affordable childcare obviously creates social problems and that might be something that's worth addressing.

[Anonymous]

I can’t even find expensive after school childcare, short of hearing a personal nanny or chauffeur for my kid. This problem is nobody’s responsibility to solve except each family in their own. It’s a failure of society

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

True, it’s impossible to reassign someone temporarily due to a physical condition. I’m sure every man in the military was dismissed if he got injured.

Many men *were* (and still are) dismissed if they got injured, actually. Have you never heard of a discharge?

Sounds like the PP’s mom got knocked up, against the rules of her employment, and wants to cry sexism when she suffered the consequences of her actions.

The point is that the rule is sexist. If my employer required me to wear a skirt to work it would be predictable that I'd be fired if I wore pants. It would also be sexist.

Nature is sexist. Women get pregnant, men do not. Being in a physically demanding job while pregnant is a problem; being in a physically demanding job while someone else is pregnant (even if you impregnated them) is not.

Welcome to reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reading the threads about RTO, I have been amazed at how many could not return because they lack childcare. I have said for years, one positive of COVID has been the bandwidth for working mothers that generous telework has allowed. As I went from active duty military to FED, I have always had childcare and still do; but I recognize that is because my military career embedded that need. There is a childcare shortage in this country - especially in NOVA. Could you not RTO due to lack of childcare? Or the cost of childcare would make it uneconomical? If so, are you a woman?

Why are parents entitled to outsourcing their child for cheap? Hiring a complete stranger to essentially parent your child is a luxury, as caregivers have just as many living expenses as you do.

I’ve thought about this too. They’re taking care of your precious kids! Don’t go cheap.

I had two kids who were in daycare from the time they were 12 weeks old, until they started kindergarten. It wasn’t cheap, I didn’t make a lot and DH made even less for a while when we had our first. So no fancy extras for us, one inexpensive vacation a year, not many meals out, only one car payment.

I think a certain number of people have gotten used to not paying for daycare or before-after care and are spending that money elsewhere and don’t want to make cuts to lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Yeah, she totally couldn't handle her supply officer duties while pregnant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

She was married to my dad, you fool. Who was of the same rank. There was no rules violation. And she said behind a desk. You just couldn't be pregnant and in the military. They literally forced abortions over this, and you're DEFENDING it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Yeah, she totally couldn't handle her supply officer duties while pregnant.

If the terms of her employment included her not being pregnant, she simply should not have chosen to get pregnant if she wanted to keep her job. It’s not complicated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

She was married to my dad, you fool. Who was of the same rank. There was no rules violation. And she said behind a desk. You just couldn't be pregnant and in the military. They literally forced abortions over this, and you're DEFENDING it?

That IS a rule, dummy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

Yeah, she totally couldn't handle her supply officer duties while pregnant.

If the terms of her employment included her not being pregnant, she simply should not have chosen to get pregnant if she wanted to keep her job. It’s not complicated.

You know birth control fails, right? And forced abortions are gross? And the Supreme Court overturned this because it was patently wrong, not to mention immoral?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

She was married to my dad, you fool. Who was of the same rank. There was no rules violation. And she said behind a desk. You just couldn't be pregnant and in the military. They literally forced abortions over this, and you're DEFENDING it?

That IS a rule, dummy.

Women weren't discharged for violating a rule, moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

my mom had to quit her job when she married. She was not allowed to have a credit card in her name until 1972. She was white. It was NOT better in the 1950’s.

My mom was kicked out of the military for getting pregnant. But yeah. It was totally better back then.

This doesn’t seem unreasonable.

did men get kicked out for getting a woman pregnant?

I’m truly sorry that you don’t understand basic biology. A pregnancy can actually impact a woman’s ability to do her job, particularly in highly physical jobs such as the military.

If it’s just punishment for a rules violation, a woman is easier to catch (I would think this would be obvious) because… she’s pregnant.

She was married to my dad, you fool. Who was of the same rank. There was no rules violation. And she said behind a desk. You just couldn't be pregnant and in the military. They literally forced abortions over this, and you're DEFENDING it?

That IS a rule, dummy.

Women weren't discharged for violating a rule, moron.

And since you're too sexist to see the difference, I'll explain:

Get pregnant: honorable discharge
Violate a rule: another type of discharge