Trump's Madison Square Garden rally

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Anonymous wrote:Folks I am watching this thing live and it's just weird. I don't mean that people are saying things I disagree with -- that's a given. The vibe is off. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel like enthusiasm. It feels like blind rage mixed with fake bravado. It just feels aggro. And the crowd isn't just mostly white -- it is dominated by men. Like by a lot. It's weird to have a political rally that is this skewed.

A lot of the speakers have really extensive and weird looking plastic surgery. And not just the women or the Trumps. Tucker looks pinched and tucked in an uncomfortable way. Elon looks like an alien. It's uncanny valley stuff. If it was 1998 and you saw footage of this you'd be like "what is wrong with their faces -- why would anyone do this."

Regarding the "substance" they just repeat the same easily disproven lies over and over. A key talking point is that "they" tried to kill Trump. The implication is that of course the Democrats did it but he was shot at by a registered Republican with mental health issues.

The racism isn't just dog whistles. It's just open and contemptuous. They are saying that democrats are trying to "replace" Americans with immigrants. The comedian with all the racist lines was egregious but it's in line with the rest of the rally. They use words like "invasion" and "lowlifes" to describe immigrants and people who live in cities (while also praising NYC and claiming Trump "made" the city). It's very creepy.

Anyway Trump is talking now and he has less energy than most of the speakers who preceded him. He speaks in this dull monotone. The only person less convincing was melania who appeared to read her speech without comprehending it.

I just don't understand what is compelling about this unless you've just given up on life. It's offensive yes. But it's also just a bummer and extremely depressing.

I’m an immigrant and I’m not for open boarders. But how any immigrant could vote for Trump, esp. us non Anglo ones, baffles me. The writing is on the wall. He means you too, people. Is it denial? Leopards Ate My Face syndrome incoming for these people…

No one is for open borders. If there were open borders, then interdictions and apprehensions would be down to zero, and there would be no deportations. Instead, all of those are up under Biden.

DP. It is simply astounding that you STILL can't understand why all of those interdictions and apprehensions are up under Biden. It's been explained to you over and over, yet you still can't grasp why that is. I'll let you try and work it out. Good luck.

Because Trump's Wall was a stupid and catastrophic failure? Is that one of the reasons.

Interestingly, Kamala Harris called Trump's wall, "stupid, useless, and a medieval vanity project." Yet now, as a presidential candidate, she is committing $650 million to building it. Here's Anderson Cooper calling her out on her utter hypocrisy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/video/border-wall-kamala-harris-cnn-town-hall-digvid

Anderson is referring to money for the wall that was earmarked in the BIPARTISAN immigration bill. Dems including Harris didn't want to include money for the wall but they agreed to it in order to get stuff they did want -- that's how bipartisan lawmaking works and it's the only way to get a deal on an issue like immigration. Harris didn't advocate for that money for the wall and she has never "committed" to build the wall. But in a democracy like ours the White House is not a dictatorship and you have to work with Congress to get things done and build coalitions that involve compromise.

So I know you think you caught her in a lie or hypocrisy here but actually you are just betraying your ignorance of how government works or where that earmark originated.

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Lol-Melania who became a citizen after overstaying her visa and being an "illegal immigrant" for quite some time+Elon Musk who holds 3 citizenships.

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Anonymous wrote:This is either a lie or total political malpractice.

I am going with...its a lie

Obviously malpractice. Which shows how well they'd run the country if elected. Not that we needed more evidence, after the first 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t see swastikas but there were lots of Israeli flags at this “nazi” rally. The left needs better more refined narratives IMO.

the only reason the right likes Israel is for The Rapture, the Evangelical myth about the end of times and the rise of Jesus.

Or maybe there were actual Jewish people attending the rally because they like Trump. Like the Holocaust survivor that was in attendance tonight.

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The PP is so obviously low-information. Just plain stupid.

This might be hard for you to comprehend, because you’re not very smart, but… inviting a Holocaust survivor is their way of attempting to defuse any criticism about the Nazi undertones of the rally. It’s the whole “I can’t be racist because I have a black friend” thing.

The good news is that many of us are smarter than you, and we see through it.

Here's your "token Holocaust survivors are invited only for show"
https://x.com/DanScavino/status/1849878810306461765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849878810306461765%7Ctwgr%5E53c178676977f7d817e18c30f046d38d47c0c357%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fin-campaign-ad-holocaust-survivor-blasts-harris-for-calling-trump-fascist%2F

Thanks for blessing us with your intelligence and wisdom

That clip does not negate the point. It’s still a tactic to deflect valid criticisms of the anti-Semitic and fascist rhetoric that we have all heard with our own ears. Bye.

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Not defending them, but did Trump really have many Puerto Rican supporters? He basically sh** all over the island and threw paper towels at hurricane victims.

We've been hearing for months how Trump is eating right into the Latino vote - people here have been crowing how there are hardly any Latinos left to vote for Harris, Trump's made so many inroads.

But on top of that - what you really don't need to do in the closing days of your campaign is tell a big group of voters that you hate them and think they are garbage. Remember how that worked out for Hillary and the deplorables? (And she was right, but she shouldn't have said it.) There are substantial groups of Puerto Rican voters in swing states - and in Florida, which is why Rick Scott is freaking out right now.

Trump didn’t say anything about Puerto Ricans.

Trumps’s rally was a huge success, so liberals and their allies in the media have attempted to sully and put a negative spin on his rally.

trump is always above the fray...he had someone else do the dirty work and it will cost him tens of thousands of not millions of votes, particularly in swing states, Florida, Arizona and Texas.

Your post is hyperbolic. You liberals are always claiming whatever your outrage of the day is against Trump will cost him the election, yet the polls keep getting better for him and worse for Kamala.

even Trump is trying to distance himself from it

If Trump thinks it is bad, then it is bad, and I bet now, all the MAGAs defending it for the past 20 pages will change their tune.

Wait, I thought this guy "made fun of everyone" and anyone who objected was too sensitive? Is Trump too sensitive?

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Lol-Melania who became a citizen after overstaying her visa and being an "illegal immigrant" for quite some time+Elon Musk who holds 3 citizenships.

Americans = white
Non-Americans = not white

Your actual citizenship doesn't matter. Trump said it himself when he was President. Asked why people from Norway or Sweden didn't come over.

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Well well well, what have we here?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t see swastikas but there were lots of Israeli flags at this “nazi” rally. The left needs better more refined narratives IMO.

the only reason the right likes Israel is for The Rapture, the Evangelical myth about the end of times and the rise of Jesus.

Or maybe there were actual Jewish people attending the rally because they like Trump. Like the Holocaust survivor that was in attendance tonight.

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The PP is so obviously low-information. Just plain stupid.

This might be hard for you to comprehend, because you’re not very smart, but… inviting a Holocaust survivor is their way of attempting to defuse any criticism about the Nazi undertones of the rally. It’s the whole “I can’t be racist because I have a black friend” thing.

The good news is that many of us are smarter than you, and we see through it.

Here's your "token Holocaust survivors are invited only for show"
https://x.com/DanScavino/status/1849878810306461765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1849878810306461765%7Ctwgr%5E53c178676977f7d817e18c30f046d38d47c0c357%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fin-campaign-ad-holocaust-survivor-blasts-harris-for-calling-trump-fascist%2F

Thanks for blessing us with your intelligence and wisdom

I don’t know what happened to that guy but he’s not the only Holocaust survivor.

Tahoe Holocaust survivor: Trump administration actions starting to resemble Hitler’s Germany
https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/opinion/tahoe-holocaust-survivor-trump-administration-actions-starting-to-resemble-hitlers-germany-opinion/

Bernard Marks, the Holocaust survivor whose comparison of the Trump administration’s hardline stance on refugees and undocumented immigrants to Nazi regime received widespread attention, died Friday. He was 89.
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article223718330.html

'I'M A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR—TRUMP'S AMERICA FEELS LIKE GERMANY BEFORE NAZIS TOOK OVER'
https://www.newsweek.com/im-holocaust-survivor-trumps-america-feels-germany-nazis-took-over-876965

“Separation of the family, for us, is probably the worst thing that ever happened to us,” says Hidden Child Foundation Co-Director Rachelle Goldstein in the ADL video, noting that when children were in hiding during the Holocaust, they were often hiding in a separate location from their parents and siblings, on their own.
https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/us-news/.premium-jews-clash-as-shoah-comparisons-for-trump-detention-centers-rise-1.6196346

A Dallas Holocaust survivor sees his reflection in the faces of children separated from their parents
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/dallas-holocaust-survivorsees-reflection-faces-children-separated-parents

What My Escape From Hitler’s Germany Taught Me About Trump’s America: ”To those who say that comparisons of Trump’s presidency to Nazi Germany are hyperbolic, I say try telling that to the mothers whose infants have been torn from their arms. A president responsible for such an atrocity exposes a level of cruelty that has no limits. None.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/escape-hitlers-germany-taught-trumps-america/

”I began my life with the Nazis, and now I may end my life with the Nazis,” the painter Vera Klement, an 86-year-old survivor of the Holocaust, said. It was election night in America, and as Vera and I sat in front of her TV and watched President-elect Donald J. Trump take the stage to the strains of the Air Force One soundtrack, she exhibited little shock, but rather a horrible, quiet awe.”
https://prospect.org/article/begin-again-trump-through-eyes-holocaust-survivor

"No matter what kind of outrageous things came out of his mouth, the people waved their hands and loudly cheered 'Hurrah!' " he told me, his eyes growing more serious "I have seen that before — in Nazi Germany in 1933."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/opinion/ct-abn-crosby-holocaust-st-1021-20161021-column.html

”I asked my father, a Holocaust survivor, what he thought about the comparisons many have made between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler. “Not only has my concern not dissipated, it’s grown much stronger,” my dad, Zeev, told me from his home in Tel Aviv. “I don’t believe another Holocaust is imminent. But it’s hard to ignore the similarities between Trump and Hitler.”
https://www.thewrap.com/holocaust-survivor-father-feels-president-trump/

”Knoblauch survived as a virtual slave, barely eluding the regular roundups for the Final Solution. Lies, Knoblauch tells the kids. Lies and propaganda, used masterfully by the likes of Nazi propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to smear the Jews as the source of all of Germany’s ills.
“Today, the same lies are being used against other people than the Jews,” he says to the students. “And repeated continuously.”
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-immigration-issue-trumps-dark-vision-brings-back-dire-memories-for-holocaust-survivor-9181256

”Ipson recalled how such hateful ideology almost killed him as a young boy. His family soon found themselves among 29,000 Jews in Kovno's locked ghetto, which was established after German troops occupied the town. Speaking just days after President Donald Trump's executive order barring refugees from coming to the United States from seven Muslim-majority countries, Ipson said he saw parallels between Trump's policy and the United States' refusal to allow Jewish refugees to enter the country to escape Europe during the rise of Nazi Germany.
https://www.dailypress.com/tidewater-review/news/va-tr-wp-holocaust-survivor-0208-20170208-story.html

"Are the comparisons being made between the Trump administration and Nazi Germany hyperbolic?" Dr. Henry Oster, Sole Survivor of the Holocaust from Cologne Germany, doesn't think so."
https://www.thekindnessofthehangman.com/single-post/2018/07/22/Trump-and-Hitler-Henry-speaks-out-in-popular-Thom-Hartmann-podcastvideo

This All Seems Very Familiar, Say Philly Holocaust Survivors
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/11/17/holocaust-survivors-hitler-trump/

“A reader letter left a strong impression on Suzanne La Rocque as she perused the March 19 print edition of the Sun:

A campaign characterized by bigotry and deception.
A candidate spewing venom and demagoguery at every opportunity.
A gullible electorate willing to blame minority citizens for perceived economic and social ills.
Adolf Hitler in 1933, Donald Trump in 2016. One and the same.

Jay resident Jim Haig submitted that letter in response to Donald Trump, the pugnacious real estate developer whose campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has drawn comparisons to totalitarianism due to the candidate’s rallies, which are being marred by physical confrontation and inflammatory rhetoric.

La Rocque responded with her own handwritten letter, which appears in this week’s edition. The North Creek resident called Haig’s perspective “a very fine observation.” “I am 89-years-old and an immigrant from Europe who lived with the horrors of the 1930’s and 40’s,” La Rocque wrote. “I still have the scars Hitler forced on us.”
https://www.suncommunitynews.com/articles/the-sun/local-wwii-survivor-recounts-parallels-between-fascism-trump/

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll are stuck in 1930's Germany.

We all are and it’s a nightmare.

OMG. You clearly have no idea what 1930s Germany was like. How incredibly pathetic.
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Do you? Were you there? How do you know it didn't feel like this?

You have made yourself into a joke by so grossly comparing 1930s Germany to the U.S. in 2024 (or ever). I'm so embarrassed for you and anyone else trying to make this a valid comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump sounds rested and confident.

He sounds like the Nazi garbage he is

What’s he said that is nazi? I am listening to him. You tell us what he has said that is “nazi.” We are waiting.

Literally his is blaming everything people perceive to be wrong in the US (crime and inflation and the hurricane response and pets in Springfield in Ohio) on "illegals." He is scapegoating an ethnic minority by telling people that "they" are the problem.

"They are a threat to democracy." Where "they" is just immigrants. He said that regarding immigrants in Springfield who are LEGAL immigrants who were moved to Springfield for jobs and because they liked it there. That "they" are a threat to democracy.

This is exactly what Hitler did with Jews (and Catholics and gay people and disabled people). He fomented a revolution by convincing Germans to blame all their problems on an ethnic minority and claiming that "they" were trying to replace "real" Germans.

It is fascism.

Your side blames republicans for everything and says republicans are a threat to democracy.

Is that fascism?

No, because no one is proposing having the military round up Republicans, put them in camps, and deport them.

Because republicans are legal US citizens.

Your side blames republicans for everything and says republicans are a threat to democracy.

Sounds pretty fascist.

I mean, no...that doesn't sound fascist. But BTW, Trump blames absolutely everything on Democrats. Even when things are good, he spins it as bad and blames the Democrats. He calls them the enemy within. So you're admitting that in your mind and how you define fascism, he's fascist...right?

Are democrats fascist for saying republicans are a threat to democracy?

Is this like how maga learned the big word “communist” and they use the word to describe everything they don’t like?

DP. So much projection... "fascism" is clearly the LWNJ word of the decade. You people have rendered the word meaningless, just like you did to "racism." Nice going.

Trump calls Harris a fascist like every other day but keep projecting, it’s all you’re capable of.

I think he calls her a communist actually. But anyone want to bet 100 bucks he doesn’t know the difference? I’m looking to make some easy money.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA gas lighting is going strong.

They are the reincarnated American Nazi Party and their encore rally 80 years later at MSG is a dog whistle at the volume of a fog horn reminding everyone of this.

The anti-American fascist scum on this board know this. Fascism isn’t an accident of the MAGA movement, it’s the whole point.

When you hear progressives yelling “Nazi”, understand that their real anger is that there is any political debate at all. The nazi line is just an attempt to shut down debate. Sorry, this is America, and there are going to be people with opinions you disagree with. Sometimes they put on huge and awesome rallies.

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They did exactly the same thing with their constant "racist!!" accusations, to the point where no one takes them seriously anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll are stuck in 1930's Germany.

We all are and it’s a nightmare.

OMG. You clearly have no idea what 1930s Germany was like. How incredibly pathetic.
DP

Do you? Were you there? How do you know it didn't feel like this?

You have made yourself into a joke by so grossly comparing 1930s Germany to the U.S. in 2024 (or ever). I'm so embarrassed for you and anyone else trying to make this a valid comparison.

As I said above, the Nazi accusations are just there as an attempt to end the debate. Progressives are just angry about other people having a say in politics at all.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA gas lighting is going strong.

They are the reincarnated American Nazi Party and their encore rally 80 years later at MSG is a dog whistle at the volume of a fog horn reminding everyone of this.

The anti-American fascist scum on this board know this. Fascism isn’t an accident of the MAGA movement, it’s the whole point.

When you hear progressives yelling “Nazi”, understand that their real anger is that there is any political debate at all. The nazi line is just an attempt to shut down debate. Sorry, this is America, and there are going to be people with opinions you disagree with. Sometimes they put on huge and awesome rallies.

Nitwit. It’s the fascism that’s the problem.

"Fascism! Nazi! Racist!" You are a joke.
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Not defending them, but did Trump really have many Puerto Rican supporters? He basically sh** all over the island and threw paper towels at hurricane victims.

We've been hearing for months how Trump is eating right into the Latino vote - people here have been crowing how there are hardly any Latinos left to vote for Harris, Trump's made so many inroads.

But on top of that - what you really don't need to do in the closing days of your campaign is tell a big group of voters that you hate them and think they are garbage. Remember how that worked out for Hillary and the deplorables? (And she was right, but she shouldn't have said it.) There are substantial groups of Puerto Rican voters in swing states - and in Florida, which is why Rick Scott is freaking out right now.

Trump didn’t say anything about Puerto Ricans.

Trumps’s rally was a huge success, so liberals and their allies in the media have attempted to sully and put a negative spin on his rally.

trump is always above the fray...he had someone else do the dirty work and it will cost him tens of thousands of not millions of votes, particularly in swing states, Florida, Arizona and Texas.

Your post is hyperbolic. You liberals are always claiming whatever your outrage of the day is against Trump will cost him the election, yet the polls keep getting better for him and worse for Kamala.

even Trump is trying to distance himself from it

If Trump thinks it is bad, then it is bad, and I bet now, all the MAGAs defending it for the past 20 pages will change their tune.

I don't think anyone was defending it per se. Just pointing out that he's an insult comedian by trade that specializes in celebrity roasts. I mentioned on a previous comment that I wouldn't have booked him for this lol.

Nobody with any judgement would have booked him for this “gig”. So what does that say about Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:This may be my favorite thread on DCUM, which is saying something. The liberal bubble never ceases to amaze me. The pearl clutching is fantastic entertainment -- Nazi, Nazi, Nazi! (Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!)

Just a bunch of Karens who need to step away from the ledge and touch some grass. Inject this right into my veins!

You sound like you may be doomed to repeat history class
Here's a description of the beginning of the actual 1939 Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden:

The rally began at 8 pm[3] with a rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner", sung by Margarete Rittershaush. Next, James Wheeler-Hill, national secretary of the Bund, opened the night with the statement that "if George Washington were alive today, he would be friends with Adolf Hitler."[9] Calling upon his fellow Americans, Wheller-Hill challenged Bund members to restore America to the 'True Americans' while condemning President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Secretary of the Interior, Harold L. Ickes for attacking Nazi officials.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden

I know this may not register in your echo chamber, but I am not worried about Trump wanting to take over the world and exterminate a race of people. Sorry, I live in reality. It is almost like Trump has already been President, and didn't try to kill anyone or start any wars (quite the opposite). And I thought many liberals believe Israel is committing genoicide, yet Harris supports Israel right now. So, hmm, who is the real Hitler?

Wait until you find out that Trump supports Israel now too.

Trump has always supported Israel, thankfully. And the rest of the PP's post was correct.
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