Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:“it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior.”

I guess we should just send you our contact information & let you decide what our priorities should be and how to run our lives.

you can run it however you choose, but from an academic and financial standpoint, what I stated still holds: "it makes no sense to forgo the state flagship that may have a great reputation for your major, over a lesser oos just because you want to be a road warrior".

I get that some people want a big campus vs a small campus, or a rural campus vs city campus, but to most people, those "wants" are luxuries.

I'm not talking about choosing a mediocre in state vs a mediocre oos. I'm talking about the choice between a well regarded in state flagship *for your major* vs the mediocre oos, especially if the in state flagship gives you merit. Obviously, if you get into a better oos, then it's a different story, but that's not what I'm referring to.

What do you mean “financial standpoint”? From a financial standpoint many Virginia residents can go OOS for less than the cost of UVA. It’s printed on the web site for Bama, WVU, Purdue engineering. Many other schools have less predictable scholarships with the same result. For those students it’s going in state to UVA that’s the luxury.

UVA = $7,600/semester in tuition. Cheap AF.

You forgot substantial fees, and increased costs for several majors. More accurate to compare total cost of attendance.

Every school has fees. Also, if you’re going to score in Virginia, your travel costs are often substantially lower. Don’t forget that.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

The reporter would sound like an idiot if they listed a half dozen flagships. But you're totally right- there are a lot of flagships that slot in between UVA/W&M/VT engineering and JMU. The same holds for schools between UMD and UMDBC. My kid may prefer UVA or UMD to Clemson or Colorado, but they may also prefer Clemson or Colorado to CNU or Frostburg State

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

The reporter would sound like an idiot if they listed a half dozen flagships. But you're totally right- there are a lot of flagships that slot in between UVA/W&M/VT engineering and JMU. The same holds for schools between UMD and UMDBC. My kid may prefer UVA or UMD to Clemson or Colorado, but they may also prefer Clemson or Colorado to CNU or Frostburg State

Lol yea about the reporter but still funny that UVA was the first school off his lips. Folks on this thread would’ve been sooo annoyed lol

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I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

The reporter would sound like an idiot if they listed a half dozen flagships. But you're totally right- there are a lot of flagships that slot in between UVA/W&M/VT engineering and JMU. The same holds for schools between UMD and UMDBC. My kid may prefer UVA or UMD to Clemson or Colorado, but they may also prefer Clemson or Colorado to CNU or Frostburg State

Lol yea about the reporter but still funny that UVA was the first school off his lips. Folks on this thread would’ve been sooo annoyed lol

Why? No one has said UVA is a crappy school. It’s one of the top public schools. It’s just not the #1 choice for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

It’s not about UVA. There is just a few UVA boosters who make every thread about UVA.

There are many, many reasons why kids don’t want nearby state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

Even if that were all true, it doesn’t change the fact that UVA is in higher demand and has a better reputation nationwide among top applicants.

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

+1

Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

What facts have I denied? None.

We are still waiting on the data that supports “You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA”.

Again, many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield rates and cross admits for more expensive, lower ranked schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

Even if that were all true, it doesn’t change the fact that UVA is in higher demand and has a better reputation nationwide among top applicants.

It just means that uva doesn’t produce people as smart as UMD. It takes smart people and makes them lazy and unproductive.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

I can understand that, but UMDCP has a lot of school spirit.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

Even if that were all true, it doesn’t change the fact that UVA is in higher demand and has a better reputation nationwide among top applicants.

It just means that uva doesn’t produce people as smart as UMD. It takes smart people and makes them lazy and unproductive.

You forgot psycho as well judging from their thin skinned and defensive borderline insanity on these college threads.