Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
Bad apples in other professions don’t usually kill people, aren’t immune from monetary punishment, and aren’t usually paid by the public to have those privileges. Got any other deflecting arguments?
If they had FIVE cops available for a traffic stop (and yes, that’s what this was — not someone who’d just committed a known violent crime and then fled in a car), this department is extremely *overfunded* and needs to have their budget slashed. Even in the unlikely case that one cop was alone and called for backup, he needed backup of ONE other officer, not a lynch mob of five.
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
Why is it that the systems you praise only "works" if there is some kind of video of it? Are all cops stupid enough to only commit acts like this in the vicinity of a pole camera that captures it on video? That would be pretty dumb. They certainly aren't turning in each other when there isn't video, though.
Maybe it's the cameras that work, not the self-policing.
Why is it that you won't acknowledge the thousands of police encounters that end routinely? Why can you not admit that the majority of the thousands of police officers that protect the public every day would never resort to this?
Oh, I'll absolutely acknowledge that, all of it. And I still hold that what we have set up as a system is not good enough, because it is not working, and it's ONLY when there is video that this is coming to light, because it's the cameras that work -- not the self-policing.
Will you join me and acknowledge that?
Different poster, but it's not "only" working when it comes to light. Most complaints against cops are filed by other cops. You just don't hear about it because it's handled by the department as would any other employment related complaint. Police get fired for misconduct and you never hear about it.
Video, on the other hand, makes cheap easy news for our media. Don't take it as representing the entire universe of police conduct or misconduct. Because it's not.
I'm talking about beatdowns like this. Extreme violence, not questionably maybe a little too much stuff.
Do you really think incidents like this, Rodney King, George Floyd. etc., ONLY happen to occur when there is video of it? Shouldn't there be at least a couple such hyperviolent episode that was solely addressed because of colleague report and no video evidence?
Or is there an account of this? I am assuming that if a police officer was found to have killed an innocent person in a violent way, there would be at least one newspaper article in the local paper about it. What am I missing here? (I really, honestly hope you are going to post links to a couple of stories online, because I would actually like to be wrong about this.)
IU am not the pp, but will provide at least one incident that doesn't appear to be on video....
I know there are more, but I am not going to search for them. I would also point out that many, if not most, encounters with police today are captured on camera - either because of body cams or because of cameras everywhere on the streets. Just do a search for "police fired for excessive force" and you will see that it happens.....and video isn't always available.
I will also point out that any occupation has bad apples - health care, teaching, lawyers, etc. You just hear about the police officers more because of viral videos.
Right, that guy did not end up needing medical intervention. He was medically cleared and put in detention.
I am talking about true violence -- beatdowns, the stuff that goes well beyond the pale. Not a guy that ends up being cleared by doctors as perfectly stable to be left alone in a cell.
Despite what you believe, these kinds of incidents happen rarely in today's word, thankfully. This is because police DO police themselves. They get rid of officers who demonstrate excessive force BEFORE they can cause harm or death to others. And, when they do, they are generally captured on video because more and more police depts. use body cams and because of video cameras everywhere today. When someone dies at the hands of police, it is always in the news. And, it is not always the fault of the police officer.
You try to find a story of someone who died at the hand of police in the last 5-10 years that was NOT captured on video. It is a rare occurrence.
During the 2019 arrest of Elijah McClain, a Black man who died after officers confronted him in suburban Denver, the body cameras of all three officers came off during a struggle. The cameras continued to record audio but there was no video footage to verify a police claim that McClain reached for one of the officers' guns. He was placed in a chokehold and paramedics injected him with the powerful sedative ketamine. He later died at a hospital.
There are so many examples that I really can’t believe that you actually thought you made a valid point. You’re just making up your own narrative without any critical thinking.
And, once again.... these types of incidents are extremely rare.
They are always reported. The vast majority of them are on video. And, not all of them are the fault of the police officers.
Nothing I have said is untrue or a made up narrative.
HAHAHAHA. How can you lie like that? Why aren’t you embarrassed?
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
Anonymous wrote:If they had FIVE cops available for a traffic stop (and yes, that’s what this was — not someone who’d just committed a known violent crime and then fled in a car), this department is extremely *overfunded* and needs to have their budget slashed. Even in the unlikely case that one cop was alone and called for backup, he needed backup of ONE other officer, not a lynch mob of five.
I believe this is one aspect of the problem with policing today. Way too many cops chasing crime, only there is not enough crime to go around. These loser Rambo wannabees resort to generating false interest in innocent citizens simply going about their lives, with tragic consequences when they go after vulnerable victims.
Also, it's a lot easier to harass and destroy innocent lives, over chasing actual criminals. Uvalde was a prime example to us, the public, in the most tragic and consequential possible way.
Y'all think it's an accident these incidents always seem to involve a gentle, kindhearted, vulnerable individual as the victim?
You ever see one of these incidents involve the mother/father, wife/husband, son or daughter of an SOB big law partner?
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
It doesn’t work like that. Sorry. Marital homes (if there are any) typically are not subject to levy for the torts of only be spouse.
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
It doesn’t work like that. Sorry. Marital homes (if there are any) typically are not subject to levy for the torts of only be spouse.
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
It doesn’t work like that. Sorry. Marital homes (if there are any) typically are not subject to levy for the torts of only be spouse.
And what could anyone hope to gain by victimizing bad cops’ spouses and children? They are likely
Already victims of he or she is a psycho bully who snaps easily.
Anonymous wrote:If they had FIVE cops available for a traffic stop (and yes, that’s what this was — not someone who’d just committed a known violent crime and then fled in a car), this department is extremely *overfunded* and needs to have their budget slashed. Even in the unlikely case that one cop was alone and called for backup, he needed backup of ONE other officer, not a lynch mob of five.
If they are not investing in decent police training that involves deescalation techniques and apppiraye levels of force and mental health supports for officers they are likely not heavily Overfunded.
It costs money to do things in responsible ways but pays off in the long run for both police and communities.
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
It doesn’t work like that. Sorry. Marital homes (if there are any) typically are not subject to levy for the torts of only be spouse.
And what could anyone hope to gain by victimizing bad cops’ spouses and children? They are likely
Already victims of he or she is a psycho bully who snaps easily.
Interesting we never say that about drug dealers wives and children
This is almost entirely speculation, but this situation feels like there's a personal beef buried in here somewhere. I know it's not at all unheard of for cops to beat the hell out of a stranger, but this felt like an ambush.
Anonymous wrote:This is almost entirely speculation, but this situation feels like there's a personal beef buried in here somewhere. I know it's not at all unheard of for cops to beat the hell out of a stranger, but this felt like an ambush.
My first thought when I heard the story was they were dirty cops and that Nichols had evidence against them.
Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.
They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.
How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.
I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.
So sickening.
Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.
I know the job messes with your head.
I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.
What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.
There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.
I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha
I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.
+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.
Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716
Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.
DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?
DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)
I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.
I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.
Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.
One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.
This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?
DP
Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.
Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.
When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.
And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)
Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.
I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.
That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.
Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.
Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.
This!
Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.
These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.
The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.
They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.
Good luck collecting on that judgment.
No problem. Take his house (their houses) to start. They can know their wives and kids are living in crap apartments while daddy rots in prison. Consequences of his actions.
It doesn’t work like that. Sorry. Marital homes (if there are any) typically are not subject to levy for the torts of only be spouse.
And what could anyone hope to gain by victimizing bad cops’ spouses and children? They are likely
Already victims of he or she is a psycho bully who snaps easily.
Interesting we never say that about drug dealers wives and children
I have never heard people calling for drug dealers’ spouses and kids to be punished. I would assume they are already victims as well.
It is simply not right to go after innocent parties just because they are related to guilt parties.
Anonymous wrote:This is almost entirely speculation, but this situation feels like there's a personal beef buried in here somewhere. I know it's not at all unheard of for cops to beat the hell out of a stranger, but this felt like an ambush.
My first thought when I heard the story was they were dirty cops and that Nichols had evidence against them.
+1 I’m glad the pole camera and personal cams revealed them and it’s out for the world to see. They need to go to jail.
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