TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Counts of Grade 9 students taking a Geometry class at TJ for the past 5 years.

2017-18: 10

2018-19: 20

2019-20: 15

2020-21: 11

2021-22: 136

The solution is to require geometry as a prerequisite to apply. The problem with that is that anyone is supposed to be able to apply, but Algebra in 7th is limited to kids who were in advanced math in 6th and did well enough on the SOL/IAAT. Personally I would require geometry to apply and allow anyone to register for Algebra in 7th with the clear understanding that the course would pace the same way it always had and that teachers would be free to fail kids who can't keep up and refuse to transfer out.

This sounds like a good idea. FCPS can't simultaneously require Geometry and gatekeep Algebra I. So, the solution is to use IAAT/SOL to advise kids on which math track seems the most appropriate, but then let the kids sink or swim if they opt to take Algebra I. It would also ensure that TJ admissions would at least have 1.5 years of real math grades to use in evaluations and not inflated M7H grades + only the first half of Algebra I. To make this track feasible and not set kids up for failure, FCPS should offer an Algebra I prep summer class for the kids who technically wouldn't have qualified for Algebra I.

If a kid can't handle Algebra I in 7th, there's no way that the kid will be able to handle compressing Algebra II into one semester or any of the rigor of the TJ math classes.

For the PPs insisting that 15 years ago, many more kids took Algebra I in 8th. So? That was back when it was much harder to take Algebra in 7th. Nowadays, the smart kids take it in 7th, and only the kids who aren't very good at math are taking it in 8th. With the expansion of LLIV and the increase in URM kids in AAP, quite a lot of kids will be in the advanced math track and will have full opportunities to be ready for Algebra in 7th. The only thing holding anyone back from this track would be their individual lack of mathematical talent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

You can deliver courses with the same titles (except RS1, I suppose) but you simply cannot replace taking those courses with TJ teachers as part of the TJ sequence.

Trying to die on this hill proves that you literally don't understand TJ at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

Nah. TJ is for top 1-2% of students in the N. VA. not not top 20% of students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

You are so uninformed. Or are you high?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

Nah. TJ is for top 1-2% of students in the N. VA. not not top 20% of students.

Have you been paying attention at all nearly 1/3 of the class is taking geometry in 9th grade which is the normal track at many high schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.


Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

Nah. TJ is for top 1-2% of students in the N. VA. not not top 20% of students.

Have you been paying attention at all nearly 1/3 of the class is taking geometry in 9th grade which is the normal track at many high schools

Due to idiotic racist admissions system rammed through by fools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

Nah. TJ is for top 1-2% of students in the N. VA. not not top 20% of students.

If TJ is for top 1-2% currently then converting as PP indicated would make it for at most the top 2-4%, not the top 20%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

You can deliver courses with the same titles (except RS1, I suppose) but you simply cannot replace taking those courses with TJ teachers as part of the TJ sequence.

Trying to die on this hill proves that you literally don't understand TJ at all.

Or that they just have a different conception of what TJ could be compared to what it is today, and that you apparently feel iS tHe OnLy pOsSsSsIbLe RiGhT aNsWeR!!!1!111!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

But the problem wasn't the school. It was the method by which students were selected to the school specifically shutting out Black, Hispanic, and low SES populations.

There is no need to rethink TJ, except to the extent that they're already working on decoupling workload and rigor. The model works - it just needs to work for a broader segment of the population.

It’s a problem when there are hundreds of kids that were interested in and qualified to do the classes that are only offered at TJ. Example - the vast majority of CS classes are only offered at TJ.

Expanding access to education should be the goal. Making TJ an Academy or an 11th-12th grade school would do that.

Nah. TJ is for top 1-2% of students in the N. VA. not not top 20% of students.

TJ admits the top 15%. If you want an exclusive program for top 2%, move to moco.

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Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

I actually love the idea of transitioning TJ to a 10th-12th or even 11th-12th grade school. There are virtually no classes that freshman or sophomores take that are not offered at the base schools.

Just do not seat the class of 2026 until next year. Expand the other classes if needed using PSATs/GPAs.

Done, simple.

This is an idea what should at least be discussed by the school board. It would help solve the problem that there are waaay more kids interested and qualified for the advanced TJ courses than there are current slots.

Nope. TJ is a full-service high school. Eliminating freshmen from the environment would have devastating effects on all of their non-STEM programs. Additionally, if you know ANYTHING about TJ, you know that the freshman year is absolutely crucial for students to adjust to the environment and the level of rigor.

What you have here is folks panicking that their actions are going to result in a lottery and end up harming their kids in the process when in reality, the new admissions process didn't have an enormous impact on their kids.

The primary mission of TJ is education. Education is delivered from course work. The freshman classes could ALL be delivered at the base schools. Extracurriculars can be done outside of school hours.

This is an idea that should be on the table if FCPS loses the emergency stay order.

The school board really should have had the courage to completely rethink TJ instead of just focusing on the admissions process. Now, the Spring of 2022 is another opportunity to do so.

You can deliver courses with the same titles (except RS1, I suppose) but you simply cannot replace taking those courses with TJ teachers as part of the TJ sequence.

Trying to die on this hill proves that you literally don't understand TJ at all.

Or that they just have a different conception of what TJ could be compared to what it is today, and that you apparently feel iS tHe OnLy pOsSsSsIbLe RiGhT aNsWeR!!!1!111!!!!

..... it's a high school, not a program. The school works as it is - why change it? The only thing that needs to change is the level of access that certain underrepresented groups have to it. The school has been working on decoupling workload with rigor, and that was the primary issue with it.

This really isn't that complicated.