UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

[Anonymous]

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She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

You are a bizarre liar. Please give the exact quote of evidence from the answer saying the school called CPS seven times.

Right? What is up with this weirdo?

[Anonymous]

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She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

You are a bizarre liar. Please give the exact quote of evidence from the answer saying the school called CPS seven times.

Right? What is up with this weirdo?

Idk but if the weirdo fact-free PP is exemplary of the caliber of Fierceton's case, Penn is going to wipe the floor with her.

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Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

So she should be a Rhodes Scholar because her mom pushed her down the stairs? So maybe that's another "hook" these days, Get your parents to push you down some stairs.

Didn't she claim she was in the hospital for a month recovering from these injuries? (Also, I thought the metal table incident had purportedly happened a few days before the pushing down the stairs). Bruising and swelling wouldn't account for a month in the hospital, and a month in the hospital wouldn't account for initial charges of felony abuse and misdemeanor assault rather than more serious charges. Psychiatric issues might, however.

People don’t go to ICU fir mental health issues.

ICU was (she claims) in connection with her claim that she had a seizure at Penn. Somewhere there was a claim she was in the hospital for a month in connection with the alleged assault by her mother. I'm losing track of the various sites where I have read about this stuff, though.

In any event, you can show up in the ER and even require ER medical treatment but still end up in a psych unit, has happened to people I know with pysch and chemical dependency issues.

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There’s no report that she was in a psych unit or that she was treated for mental health issues.

[Anonymous]

I find it so depressing that people are falling all over themselves to punish someone who was estranged from both parents at 17 and went into foster care. Her coming from an upper-middle-class background doesn't mean that she wasn't deeply traumatized by what happened to her.

I think the Chronicle article is even-handed and on point: the application essay was written from that traumatized 17-year-old's perspective, and by Penn's standards, Fierceton qualified to identify as a "first-generation" student. Penn comes off really quite badly in my view, in its rush to publicize Fierceton's story and its punitive attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it so depressing that people are falling all over themselves to punish someone who was estranged from both parents at 17 and went into foster care. Her coming from an upper-middle-class background doesn't mean that she wasn't deeply traumatized by what happened to her.

I think the Chronicle article is even-handed and on point: the application essay was written from that traumatized 17-year-old's perspective, and by Penn's standards, Fierceton qualified to identify as a "first-generation" student. Penn comes off really quite badly in my view, in its rush to publicize Fierceton's story and its punitive attitude.

I agree with you. In addition, Penn’s own response to the lawsuit verifies that this family was visited by Social Services during the parents’ divorce and that MF was identified as a victim of abuse with the father the “suspected” abuser. So, she has endured multiple traumas. Her response has been to become a driven overachiever. Quite remarkable really. For many adolescents their response is to engage in self-destructive behaviour up to and including suicide. Throughout their relationship with her, dating back to her time as an 18-year-old applicant, UPenn had failed to see the red flags, has failed to see her vulnerability or to respond to it in any meaningful way. Just the opposite in fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it so depressing that people are falling all over themselves to punish someone who was estranged from both parents at 17 and went into foster care. Her coming from an upper-middle-class background doesn't mean that she wasn't deeply traumatized by what happened to her.

I think the Chronicle article is even-handed and on point: the application essay was written from that traumatized 17-year-old's perspective, and by Penn's standards, Fierceton qualified to identify as a "first-generation" student. Penn comes off really quite badly in my view, in its rush to publicize Fierceton's story and its punitive attitude.

If you believe her side of the story. But we haven't heard from them mom. Or the prosecutor who looked into the charges. Nor seen the hospital records. She's alleging Penn conducted a "sham" investigation, and a "bogus" investigation, but there's no reason they wouldn't want to claim her as a Rhodes Scholar - and the President did laud her in a speech as very deserving - a speech given long after the basement incident. Sorry, if I have to balance the credibility of the parties, Penn comes out better than she does.

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You can be deeply traumatized and still refrain from engaging in widespread fraud, taking opportunities from those even more traumatized or with a worse start than you, and slandering institutions and places of business that were acting in good faith.

Having a rough start doesn't exclude behaving like an ass. It also doesn't mean you are not accountable for your actions.

Sorry. It just doesn't.

She could have backed off quietly when found out, but she went on the offensive and is still trying to work the system. Playing stupid games, and she's going to win stupid prizes. Her choice.

[Anonymous]

Je**s Christ! 36 pages of lefitst hand-wringing! She deserved it and figured out a way around the system. Let her be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Je**s Christ! 36 pages of lefitst hand-wringing! She deserved it and figured out a way around the system. Let her be.

? Figured what out, how to get into Penn? She didn't figure out how to get over on the Rhodes Committee though did she?
As far as "Let[ting] her be," she hasn't let it be has she? She doubled down by filing a lawsuit. That's what most of the comments have been about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Je**s Christ! 36 pages of lefitst hand-wringing! She deserved it and figured out a way around the system. Let her be.

+a gazillion. Accept that she put this whole thing together herself, on purpose. Why? That's for the psych professionals to decide.

[Anonymous]

I don't think she figured out a way around the system, PP. Isn't that why we have this thread in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it so depressing that people are falling all over themselves to punish someone who was estranged from both parents at 17 and went into foster care. Her coming from an upper-middle-class background doesn't mean that she wasn't deeply traumatized by what happened to her.

I think the Chronicle article is even-handed and on point: the application essay was written from that traumatized 17-year-old's perspective, and by Penn's standards, Fierceton qualified to identify as a "first-generation" student. Penn comes off really quite badly in my view, in its rush to publicize Fierceton's story and its punitive attitude.

If you believe her side of the story. But we haven't heard from them mom. Or the prosecutor who looked into the charges. Nor seen the hospital records. She's alleging Penn conducted a "sham" investigation, and a "bogus" investigation, but there's no reason they wouldn't want to claim her as a Rhodes Scholar - and the President did laud her in a speech as very deserving - a speech given long after the basement incident. Sorry, if I have to balance the credibility of the parties, Penn comes out better than she does.

No .. you can just believe Penn’s report.

She is emancipated
She was in foster care
She aged out of foster care
She lived with multiple families
She was in the hospital 22 days
The divorce was contentious
Authorities were called 7 time
Her father was estranged after the divorce
She doesn’t speak to her mom
Her grandparents didn’t take her in when removed from the family home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think she figured out a way around the system, PP. Isn't that why we have this thread in the first place?

She did because Penn’s own definition of 1st gen to college worked for her situation even though her mom is a doctor.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think she figured out a way around the system, PP. Isn't that why we have this thread in the first place?

She did because Penn’s own definition of 1st gen to college worked for her situation even though her mom is a doctor.

That’s on Penn. They set a definition that is not what most people would think of as 1st generation.