UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

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Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

So she should be a Rhodes Scholar because her mom pushed her down the stairs? So maybe that's another "hook" these days, Get your parents to push you down some stairs.

Didn't she claim she was in the hospital for a month recovering from these injuries? (Also, I thought the metal table incident had purportedly happened a few days before the pushing down the stairs). Bruising and swelling wouldn't account for a month in the hospital, and a month in the hospital wouldn't account for initial charges of felony abuse and misdemeanor assault rather than more serious charges. Psychiatric issues might, however.

[Anonymous]

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She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The power of victimhood.

+1 This. Victims are the new heroes. Pathetic.

Not at all. You stink.


The initial criminal complaint in 2014 includes a statement from a detective who noted that Fierceton was treated at a hospital for bruising and swelling that Fierceton claimed her mother caused by pushing her down the stairs. She also described an incident the previous day where her mother pushed her into a wall and an incident 7 months earlier where she slammed her face on a metal table, causing black eyes. Fierceton showed the detective a photograph of her injuries.

So she should be a Rhodes Scholar because her mom pushed her down the stairs? So maybe that's another "hook" these days, Get your parents to push you down some stairs.

Didn't she claim she was in the hospital for a month recovering from these injuries? (Also, I thought the metal table incident had purportedly happened a few days before the pushing down the stairs). Bruising and swelling wouldn't account for a month in the hospital, and a month in the hospital wouldn't account for initial charges of felony abuse and misdemeanor assault rather than more serious charges. Psychiatric issues might, however.

People don’t go to ICU fir mental health issues.

[Anonymous]

She wasn’t there for mental health issues. It was for a seizure disorder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The burden of proof is on her, NOT UPenn.

IMO, her retaliation claim is unconvincing. The law suit and her role in it began before she was named a Rhodes Scholar. If she had been named a Rhodes Scholar,THEN became involved in a suit, and after that Penn began an investigation of the statements made in her Rhodes application, then maybe it could be argued that she has a colorable claim that Penn's actions were motivated by retaliation. But here, she was named a Rhodes Scholar AFTER she became involved.

I think it's apparent that it was the anonymous email and the multiple phone calls saying she misrepresented her background which prompted Penn's actions.

Moreover, it's the Rhodes Trust which had the power to withhold the scholarship, not Penn. Nothing suggests that Penn told the Rhodes Trust about the law suit and nothing suggests that the law suit played any role in the Trust's actions.

Moreover, again Penn didn't revoke her Rhodes. The Rhodes Trust did. It's not even clear that it's Penn's notification to the Rhodes Trust which prompted the Trust's investigation. The Trust received the same anonymous email UPenn did. That might have been enough for the Trust to investigate. Rather than responding to the Trust's report, she chose to withdraw from the proceedings. I think she blew any claim she had by doing that. It's analogous to resigning from a job when you're notified that there's an investigation as to whether you embezzled money from the company. You can't then turn around and claim wrongful termination.

Well written and logical. But crazy PP just doesn’t accept facts. It’s kind of an identity thing “ person who doesn’t accept facts” maybe there’s a club for that somewhere.

The crazy PP is very Trumpian in her willingness to make up fantasies entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the weirdos who think Penn "owes" her her MA, she's lucky they don't also claw back her BA. If it's proven you lied on your application, a university can claw back your degree(s). It happened a few years ago at...Stanford? It was a national story, I can't recall the specifics.

Georgetown. And there is a case at Harvard also.

Links?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She wasn’t there for mental health issues. It was for a seizure disorder.

Page 66 - Penn
"32. Fierceton remained in the hospital for twenty-two days, claiming to be suffering from dizziness and an inability to walk."

Page 86 - Rhodes report

"MF was in the hospital for 22 days, with a primary medical diagnosis of seizures of unknown cause"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

Page 60-61
"By the time I was eleven, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety."

Page 106
"By the time I was 11, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety. the time I was 11, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety."

The only mention of seven instances of action is NOT about CPS or Child Protective Services.
Page 68
"I was taken [into] protective custody, bounced around the foster care system, and have lived in seven different places within the last 11 months.”

Page 106
“In September of 2014, I was taken [into] protective custody, bounced around the foster care system, and have lived in seven different places within the last 11 months.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

I was the person who linked the document and I've read through it. I've seen nothing to allege that she stopped breathing at school or that the school called CPS seven times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

Page 60-61
"By the time I was eleven, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety."

Page 106
"By the time I was 11, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety. the time I was 11, Child Protective Services had been called over 14 times regarding various concerns for my safety."

The only mention of seven instances of action is NOT about CPS or Child Protective Services.
Page 68
"I was taken [into] protective custody, bounced around the foster care system, and have lived in seven different places within the last 11 months.”

Page 106
“In September of 2014, I was taken [into] protective custody, bounced around the foster care system, and have lived in seven different places within the last 11 months.”

Yes, but this is all stuff that Fierceton wrote in her essays. Is there actual evidence that the school called CPS seven times, as PP stated? I didn’t see any evidence of that but maybe I missed something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

I was the person who linked the document and I've read through it. I've seen nothing to allege that she stopped breathing at school or that the school called CPS seven times.

DP. I just read it as well. There is literally no support for the statements that PP made. There is no evidence the school called CPS seven times or that she stopped breathing at school.

I don’t know why PP is lying so much. The documents are plain as day. It is bizarre to claim they say something they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She did stop breathing when she collapsed at school and the crash cart is there to make sure she doesn’t stop breathing.

The other statements about being unable to breath and her rib cage are the statements that sound like a panic attack.

Where did you get your info that the school called CPS seven times and that she actually stopped breathing at school?

Did they perform CPR?

It’s in the posted link to Penn’s response.

Others have named the exact pages but they are around 69.

DP. I don’t see that in the posted link to Penn’s response. There is nothing in the response that I saw that says the school called CPS seven times, or that she stopped breathing at school.

Please give the exact paragraph where it says that.

It’s in the paragraph where Penn is saying she said CPS was called 14 and they only have evidence of 7 so “she lied”.

It also says she found out teacher are required reporters so she “used” teachers to report her abuse.

You are a bizarre liar. Please give the exact quote of evidence from the answer saying the school called CPS seven times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the case is sad. As brilliant as she is, I really think she would have landed at a top school had she been honest about her background. Most kids at those schools come from privileged backgrounds anyway, but even saying that she came from privilege but found out how the other side lived when, after a dispute with her mom, she ended up in foster care for a year, would have been powerful.

What exactly did she say other that she was in foster care and aged out of foster care and had no guardian? You have not read her essay so you can’t say she was being untruthful. Neither Penn nor Rhodes has show that she wrote anything untruthful.

Did you read the filing? There are a number of quotes from her essay that are not truthful: that her bones were broken, that she knew all the police from the time she was 6yo. Quoting from page 69:

"Fierceton also provided this false narrative to gain acceptance into two different Penn Summer Abroad programs and a related fellowship program. In her essays, Fierceton wrote about “bouncing around the foster care system throughout my life.” She described herself as being a “child of the system.”

While I understand that the document is Penn's assertion, I highly doubt their quotes from her essays are inaccurate.

Neither of those statements are false. She was in duster care, she was a child of system and she was bounced around throughout her life.

Because the reader used their confirmed bias to read things that are not there does not make the statements false.

No, the confirmation bias is yours.

"Bouncing around throughout my life" does not mean one year at 17yo.

Saying you have multiple broken bones when you didn't is a lie.

Yes a year can be throughout my life.

And she did not say “broken bones” she said “I was broken”.

Keep trying to twist her words.

DP

A year is "throughout your life" only if you are a year old.