Not sure if this should be in the policy forum instead... Anyone here voting for Youngkin because of

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Since the Commonwealth is getting Californicated, as many on DCUM tend to say, CA might not have recalled Newsom, but they sure as HELL defeated Prop 16!

Beware, Terry.

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Anonymous wrote:Since the Commonwealth is getting Californicated, as many on DCUM tend to say, CA might not have recalled Newsom, but they sure as HELL defeated Prop 16!

Beware, Terry.

Excellent way of putting it. Incidentally, CA is losing population. People are sick of the nonsense-speak and over regulation and moving to low tax red states. Bye tax dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:Governors don’t control school districts.

This is just completely false. Any emergency orders or mandates come from the governor. See Northam, Ralph:

Governor Northam Announces Public Health Order to Require Universal Masking in K-12 Schools
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2021/august/headline-902544-en.html

Virginia Closes Schools for the Year Amid Coronavirus
The governor announced the extension to a previous two-week closure as the coronavirus spreads across the state.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-23/virginia-gov-ralph-northam-closes-schools-for-the-year-amid-coronavirus

That emergency order did not last the entirety of COVID or DL. Once those were over, the SCHOOL BOARDS continued with DL.

Masking is a safety precaution. And a good one. Anyone who can't abide by that can simply keep their kids home. Your kid is back in school and learning. THe mask enables that to happen. You cannot have it both ways. LBH here, you just want to be a selfish a--hat who wants to do whatever they want. That's not how a civil society works.

Having students wear masks is hygiene theater. Especially if they are vaccinated. I have not seen a study that indicates that it slows down the spread of covid. I have however, seen studies that show younger students have a harder time with learning because they can't see the teachers faces, so there is evidence of learning loss.

This. Especially now that teachers are vaccinated. And in high school, masks should be completely optional if students have proof of vaccination. Period. It truly is "mask theater." I especially love how they can take them off in the cafeteria to eat, talk, etc. but must be masked at all other times. I guess Covid isn't able to enter the cafeteria, but is especially virulent in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Already cast my vote and it is not Youngkin. I just moved (run away to be exact) from deep south bloody red state, and I can’t believe what people arguing here (that people here want this state to be the state I came from).

Well, if the local SB's had been more reasonable last year regarding return to school and overall regarding social justice/equity over education, it wouldn't be an issue. Their extremism is why it's a close race.

Uh no.

Uh yes. Perhaps you've been living under a rock? Millions have had it with their Democratic SBs and are desperate for a change in leadership.
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Anonymous wrote:I care about

- my body and my choice
- my DAUGHTERS' bodies and their choice
- the rights of minorities and women
- abolishing racists and white supremacists
- my children learning about the holocaust, slavery, quality, diversity, and THE TRUTH about what happened in the past and why it happened, not some whitewashed version of history
- protecting the right of EVERYBODY to vote
- keeping my children safe (meaning no guns, especially not in schools)

So, no, losers, not voting for Youngkin
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Agree with all this.

Ah, yet your version of “THE TRUTH” to be taught is every bit as one-sided as the antiquated version from the past you seek to retire permanently. And you will only protect the rights of women and minorities if they subscribe to the right views; if they do not, you’ll repudiate them in a quick second.

You people scare me - you are like a bunch of Bolsheviks or Pol Pot followers.

You think the holocaust was a lie? You think people were not enslaved, not only in the U.S., but around the world??? You want this country which used to be so proud of its heritage as a melting pot for the world, to be lily white, white, white and boring and racist like you?

Also, please stop making up "insults" that you don't understand, I'm embarrassed for you.

DP. Wow - someone is truly unhinged. Absolutely no one is saying any of the above, but way to take the conversation into crazy land. Maybe you're unaware, but FCPS ALREADY teaches all about slavery and the Holocaust. My daughter just finished reading Elie Wiesel's "Night" for her history class. All our kids are taught about slavery, from elementary school on up. Where do you get these outright lies? And the PP absolutely right. *You* simply don't understand the meaning of his/her insult. Now that's embarrassing.

My DD is in 9th and they really don't. Other than a high level reference to them. There absolutely needs to be more discussion on ALL of the US (and world) perspectives and experiences in school. Less "George Washington cut down the cherry tree" stories. And FTR, that means more discussion putting white experiences in context too. There is a LOT left out of the historical narratives in FCPS history classes.

There is something really lacking if your school's fcps high school is focusing on trivial things like George Washington cutting down cherry trees in 9th grade.

Perhaps you have a really bad teacher?

Or perhaps your kid is not payimg attention to what is being taught and is spending class time playing on their phone.

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My kids attend an FCPS HS and have all learned about slavery and the Holocaust since elementary school. Not sure what the PP has in mind when she says there is a "LOT" left out of the historical narratives. Like what?

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Anonymous wrote:So now if you are a parent organizing in your community to hold your local school board accountable you are a right wing puppet getting lots of funding.

That seems likely. Lol.

No, there are literally right-wing groups openly doing this. One infiltrated the TJ PTA and imploded it.

DP. What on earth are you babbling about? Links? The Coalition for TJ isn't "right-wing." They are fighting to keep TJ's admission standards selective. I don't even have kids at TJ, but can completely understand why the admissions standards shouldn't be watered down in the name of "diversity."

Parents Defending Education (definitely right-wing/Koch associates) had an exec member on the TJ PTA and coordinated to install a new president.

Any actual reputable links proving a Koch association? No? Then I guess you're lying. Again.

Sure.

Parents Defending Education is full of Koch associates and Trump activists. Here is the board:
https://defendinged.org/about/

And here are their connections to Koch/Trump.
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/nicoleneily

https://ij.org/staff/rachel-hannabass/

Richey
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/trump-and-devos-announce-new-hires-at-education-department/2017/06

Aimee Viana
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/the-controversial-couple-heading-trumps-hispanic-education-efforts/2018/09

Nomani is a Trump/Youngkin activist:
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/12/501853618/muslim-woman-immigrant-and-trump-supporter


Nomani was elected as secretary to the TJ PTA and helped support the election of the current president in a dramatic takeover. They did all kinds of shady stuff as part of the PTA. I’ll have to dig up those old posts too.

There’s definitely something shady about any parent defending education.

I stand with Democrats, especially childless ones, who want to dismantle and disrupt systems of hierarchy and oppression like science and technology magnet schools.

"There’s definitely something shady about any parent defending education."

Why would that be shady? Parents are supposed to advocate for this.

They aren’t really though. They just push GOP talking points/lies under the guise of “education”.

They DGAF about students, they just want your vote.

You're being dismissive about their concerns. Parents have every right to complain how things have been handled by the Democrats.

These aren’t just “parents” though. This isn’t just a “grassroots” organization.

This is a well-organized group of GOP political operatives pushing GOP taking points.

If they cared about students they wouldn’t work their way into PTA executive boards to include inflammatory messages in newsletters. They wouldn’t be pushing blatant lies in the name “education”.

Given the number of times people have been flat-out lied to by Democrats on the School Board your post falls flat. Not to mention, the supposedly non-partisan School Board members routinely campaign for Democratic candidates and show up at campaign events.

So just STFU with your faux concerns about parents who are “operatives” - they aren’t disqualified from holding views or advocating for their kids any more than anyone else.

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Apparently, it's fine for Democrats to lobby for their favored candidates, but not Republicans. There should be no question why so many are voting for Youngkin this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Governors don’t control school districts.

This is just completely false. Any emergency orders or mandates come from the governor. See Northam, Ralph:

Governor Northam Announces Public Health Order to Require Universal Masking in K-12 Schools
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/newsroom/all-releases/2021/august/headline-902544-en.html

Virginia Closes Schools for the Year Amid Coronavirus
The governor announced the extension to a previous two-week closure as the coronavirus spreads across the state.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-23/virginia-gov-ralph-northam-closes-schools-for-the-year-amid-coronavirus

That emergency order did not last the entirety of COVID or DL. Once those were over, the SCHOOL BOARDS continued with DL.

Masking is a safety precaution. And a good one. Anyone who can't abide by that can simply keep their kids home. Your kid is back in school and learning. THe mask enables that to happen. You cannot have it both ways. LBH here, you just want to be a selfish a--hat who wants to do whatever they want. That's not how a civil society works.

Having students wear masks is hygiene theater. Especially if they are vaccinated. I have not seen a study that indicates that it slows down the spread of covid. I have however, seen studies that show younger students have a harder time with learning because they can't see the teachers faces, so there is evidence of learning loss.

This. Especially now that teachers are vaccinated. And in high school, masks should be completely optional if students have proof of vaccination. Period. It truly is "mask theater." I especially love how they can take them off in the cafeteria to eat, talk, etc. but must be masked at all other times. I guess Covid isn't able to enter the cafeteria, but is especially virulent in the classroom.

This. The left has become the party of anti-science (and anti-common sense). Enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Well if you’re a dem and haven’t voted yet, this thread is definitely motivation. GOP busy trying to scare you into voting for their guy again. Northern Virginia is not this dense. It’s been a busy fall for everyone but make time to get out and vote! I will today!

Now that's funny. All we hear and read are rude, indignant, and flat-out stupid posts from Democrats, determined to scare and/or intimidate voters into voting for cheesy McAuliffe. You people simply can't believe anyone would think for themselves. Your tactics would be amusing if they weren't so pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:So now if you are a parent organizing in your community to hold your local school board accountable you are a right wing puppet getting lots of funding.

That seems likely. Lol.

No, there are literally right-wing groups openly doing this. One infiltrated the TJ PTA and imploded it.

DP. What on earth are you babbling about? Links? The Coalition for TJ isn't "right-wing." They are fighting to keep TJ's admission standards selective. I don't even have kids at TJ, but can completely understand why the admissions standards shouldn't be watered down in the name of "diversity."

Parents Defending Education (definitely right-wing/Koch associates) had an exec member on the TJ PTA and coordinated to install a new president.

Any actual reputable links proving a Koch association? No? Then I guess you're lying. Again.

Sure.

Parents Defending Education is full of Koch associates and Trump activists. Here is the board:
https://defendinged.org/about/

And here are their connections to Koch/Trump.
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/nicoleneily

https://ij.org/staff/rachel-hannabass/

Richey
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/trump-and-devos-announce-new-hires-at-education-department/2017/06

Aimee Viana
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/the-controversial-couple-heading-trumps-hispanic-education-efforts/2018/09

Nomani is a Trump/Youngkin activist:
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/12/501853618/muslim-woman-immigrant-and-trump-supporter


Nomani was elected as secretary to the TJ PTA and helped support the election of the current president in a dramatic takeover. They did all kinds of shady stuff as part of the PTA. I’ll have to dig up those old posts too.

There’s definitely something shady about any parent defending education.

I stand with Democrats, especially childless ones, who want to dismantle and disrupt systems of hierarchy and oppression like science and technology magnet schools.

"There’s definitely something shady about any parent defending education."

Why would that be shady? Parents are supposed to advocate for this.

They aren’t really though. They just push GOP talking points/lies under the guise of “education”.

They DGAF about students, they just want your vote.

You're being dismissive about their concerns. Parents have every right to complain how things have been handled by the Democrats.

These aren’t just “parents” though. This isn’t just a “grassroots” organization.

This is a well-organized group of GOP political operatives pushing GOP taking points.

If they cared about students they wouldn’t work their way into PTA executive boards to include inflammatory messages in newsletters. They wouldn’t be pushing blatant lies in the name “education”.

Given the number of times people have been flat-out lied to by Democrats on the School Board your post falls flat. Not to mention, the supposedly non-partisan School Board members routinely campaign for Democratic candidates and show up at campaign events.

So just STFU with your faux concerns about parents who are “operatives” - they aren’t disqualified from holding views or advocating for their kids any more than anyone else.

It’s important to understand their motives and objectives. They are not looking out for kids, they are looking out for politicians. How are you ok with that?

It is very concerning that national organizations are f-ing around with our local schools, school boards, even PTAs. All in an effort to get Republicans elected NOT to help kids.

You can’t really be this dense. Parents are responding to the politicization of decisions affecting schools by far-left Democrats who are not just political operatives, but operatives holding ostensibly non-partisan offices.

Look at Karl Frisch, for example. He has no qualifications to serve on a local School Board. He has neither kids nor a college degree, but he’s planted on the School Board because he was a loyal party member and former low-level Democratic staff member on the Hill who made a good stooge.

Both political parties openly endorse candidates for school board. That is a transparent process, even if you don’t like the outcomes. The local orgs for Ds and Rs do it.

But these fake “grassroots” organizations try to appear like “parents” addressing education issues but they are actually national-level political activists trying to get their party elected. They are not transparent and are pushing blatant lies.

It’s not ok for them to use our kids as pawns.

Excuse me? The people listed above are very much parents, with kids who attend FCPS. It's funny how you keep repeating "grassroots," complete with quotes. Sorry, but the people above are FAR more concerned with our kids' education than those on the current SB - several of whom are childless. Their mission is to see everything through their "equity lens," thus diminishing the educational experiences for all in order to "level the playing field." Lottery admissions to the best school in the state and one of the best in the country? Sure, why not! Forget about admitting only those kids who are actually qualified. That's so racist!

Democrats have done *nothing* for our kids' education.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I’m going to say you’re a troll. There is no way in gods green earth I would elect a republican governor after what our country just went through with the last election. You have lost your marbles if you’re not a troll. Hold the school board’s feet to the fire but don’t vote for the anti-democracy party.

Not the OP, but I'm getting real tired of the left calling anyone who disagrees with them, "trolls." Get over yourself and acknowledge that many people think Democrats are the "anti-democracy party."

Listen, you can believe what we you want. No one who votes D is seriously contemplating Youngkin unless they are incredibly uninformed. Governors are responsible for much more than schools. Virginia is a nice place to live because we have had Democrats at the helm for some time. We did pretty well with the pandemic because we have good health care, and good government compared to the hellscape of red America. And let’s get this straight. Democrats didn’t try to overthrow congress and install a dictator. You did that.

Democrats’ gross mismanagement of the public schools is a real thing, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Plenty of people are fed up and crossing party lines, since McAuliffe treats the likes of Omeish and Frisch as heroes.

The people that are crossing party lines were republicans in the last presidential election. Maybe some of them are going back to voting for republicans governors. But many are not. Keep dreaming.

I can’t speak for anyone else. But, not true for DH and I.

I’m not sure what part of what I said isn’t true for you. What point are you making because I made several.

Regardless, Virginia dems aren’t voting for Youngkin. Which is why I call troll on this entire thread. Republicans that voted Biden may swing back, but what can you really expect?

Whatever makes it easier for you to sleep at night. Just dont look too dumbfounded when the poll numbers dont coincide with reality...again. There are plenty of independent educated thinkers in Virginia. Most democrats dont agree with all democratic platform issues and most republicans dont agree with all conservative platform issues. I'm so glad Virginia doesnt require me to declare a party affiliation because I wouldnt be able to declare one. At each election, I have to look at the issues most important to me at the time. This time it's vaccine mandates, so I'm with Youngkin. It's simple.

Same here.

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Not the OP, but I'm getting real tired of the left calling anyone who disagrees with them, "trolls." Get over yourself and acknowledge that many people think Democrats are the "anti-democracy party."

Listen, you can believe what we you want. No one who votes D is seriously contemplating Youngkin unless they are incredibly uninformed. Governors are responsible for much more than schools. Virginia is a nice place to live because we have had Democrats at the helm for some time. We did pretty well with the pandemic because we have good health care, and good government compared to the hellscape of red America. And let’s get this straight. Democrats didn’t try to overthrow congress and install a dictator. You did that.

Democrats’ gross mismanagement of the public schools is a real thing, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Plenty of people are fed up and crossing party lines, since McAuliffe treats the likes of Omeish and Frisch as heroes.

The people that are crossing party lines were republicans in the last presidential election. Maybe some of them are going back to voting for republicans governors. But many are not. Keep dreaming.

I can’t speak for anyone else. But, not true for DH and I.

I’m not sure what part of what I said isn’t true for you. What point are you making because I made several.

Regardless, Virginia dems aren’t voting for Youngkin. Which is why I call troll on this entire thread. Republicans that voted Biden may swing back, but what can you really expect?

There are absolutely Democrats in Virginia, also Biden supporters, who voted or will vote for Youngkin. It’s our way to try to nudge the party back towards the center when other efforts have failed.

My spouse and I are two that will do so. It doesn't matter if posters believe that or not, because the results one way or the other will come out next week.

Then you are both incredibly foolish. You need to step outside of your bubble and look at what living in a red state is like, not just for the wealthy and educated, but those less fortunate than you. It is unconscionable to vote for republicans in light of everything we know about how they race to the bottom on literally everything.

Says someone insisting people vote for the party who would rather have "equity of outcome" than "equality of opportunity." No thanks. You can keep your race to the bottom. I want no part of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Show me Republican states with good education. There aren’t many.

Show us a democratic city with good education.

There are none.

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Understatement of the century.

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Anonymous wrote:So you all care about your kid's chances of getting into TJ more than you care about other people's human rights. Got it.

WTF? Nice strawman, moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - but it’s not a dilemma for me any longer. Definitely voting Youngkin to send the local Democrats a message that they had better start cleaning up their giant mess. And I have always voted Democratic in state/local elections, except when Creigh Deeds ran for Governor (and, yes, I know McDonnell got into hot water but he was still better than Deeds would have been).

This is not the message you are sending by voting for a rich guy without a plan.

But, if you want to send the message that you are afraid of teaching history with any accuracy and want more charter schools, go for it.

DP. "A rich guy without a plan"? You mean McAuliffe? Get a grip. Youngkin has a plan. As for teaching history with "any accuracy" - please do detail what is not being taught in history classes to your liking. Would you prefer your alternative history? No more facts?

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Anonymous wrote:If you choose to vote for Youngkin because of FCPS then you are letting FOX win as you are buying their soundbites.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

Vote out the schoolboard on the next election, they are our problem, but voting for Youngkin is not going to help the situation.

Is there just one liberal troll here who keeps repeating the same talking points? Go away. People who are no doubt far more educated than you prefer Youngkin. I guess you'll have to see your way clear to realizing this.