Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys, I don't think it's fruitful to label people as obsessive or put down posts that are honest attempts to make sense of this. I didn't advance any of those theories and don't agree with them, but we should try to respect each other. If you can't, just leave the thread.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok, not blaming anyone and i know this could happen to everyone but i really don't get how they could hire a person like the helper? i mean he is obviously problematic, not in a criminal way, but just, you know, not someone i would ever hire.

Perhaps it was SS's kindness, familiarity with JW at the racetrack and willingness to be of service that caused SS to hire JW. Things look murky in relationship to JW and the case. And yes you would think there would be criteria and background checks for selecting a personal assistant and rules for the personal assistant to follow. Who would think you would have to spell out not to share anything about his employer's personal property or routines.

National News Networks FOX DC reported that JW was fired from the race track in March 2015 he was a director and taught a class for drivers. No reason was released..it was JW that went to SS for employment April 2015 Wint was not born in the USA and came to this country when he was 20yrs old..all found on National News Networks and Local DC news networks..I do not read anything that isn't on a national news site

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a request. Is it possible to identify or preface posts with links concerning the little boy, so that we may not click on a disturbing post unwittingly?

I think it would be best for you not to come into this post anymore.

Wow. You are just so helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every day I'm following this post and others to try to understand who, where, why, how this could happen. I mourn for the family and their community that benefitted so much from their presence. So I consider everyone involved and sadly, uselessly, how things could have turned out differently. One PP reminded us how many people were in contact with the family in the final hours to mins. NG was to have been at the martial arts studio helping with the opening right? As was JW? Were they at studio at same time and possibly when NG received the scary vm from SS? The one that got deleted and I couldn't bring myself to listen to but many posters did and then regretted what they heard. NG must have heard PS in background and I can't help but wonder why she didn't do more then to discover what was up w/ the family. Perhaps she has so many regrets now. Maybe she's passive by nature. If she was working at time with JW wouldn't she have gotten off phone and said, "wow what a strange call" and she and JW could have taken action... or not???? this is really bugging me. Or can someone confirm they wouldn't have been at the studio together that day.

The housekeeper did not listen to the voicemail till the AM of May 14 I think around 10am or so..from what I read on national news networks and local DC news networks..JW was not at the center with the housekeeper and SS..And she most likely would not have heard PS in the background since it was on a cell phone..or not know what she was hearing..CBS news had the voice mail but it was deleted where the background sounds were heard

I heard the voicemail when it was still available during an ABC news report. Partway through it, the sound of Philip or possibly one of the women sort of shrieking/struggling is clearly audible in the background. If we could hear it, the housekeeper surely would have heard it. However, hindsight is 20/20. We know it was something bad happening, so we can label the sound as struggling. Back then, the housekeeper probably thought it was a show on TV or Philip pitching a fit with his mom about something.

[Anonymous]

*caution the following contains info about the Savapolous murders, which will be upsetting to some*

Update- warrant issued for Jordan Wallace, search his 2009 bmw, home, phone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just occurred to me in terms of Wint's motivation.
He worked at AIW 2003-2005 and then was reportedly let go.
Philip was 10, so he was probably born in 2005. (depending on his actual birth date)

Could Wint in his twisted mind somehow have blamed the birth of this child on his being let go? Has he been nursing his anger and resentment all these years? Hence acting out his intense hatred?

no way..for the money..that was the only reason..for the $40,000 but the police only found about $20,000 in the truck/auto.. so where is the rest of it??

Maybe DW owed someone money--- a dealer?

Or the other person involved took his cut and skipped town.

JW sent a photo of the money to his girlfriend (This is known) at around 9am on the morning of the 14 of May..the image showed two bundles of cash $20,000??? First off he was out of line..then he lied..he should have been investigated from the beginning..media cant even locate him at this time.. Set Up! Maybe it wasn't supposed to end the way it did..but JW needed money and news networks reported this..from his postings to his web page on racing http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29173374/savopoulos-assistant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something just occurred to me in terms of Wint's motivation.
He worked at AIW 2003-2005 and then was reportedly let go.
Philip was 10, so he was probably born in 2005. (depending on his actual birth date)

Could Wint in his twisted mind somehow have blamed the birth of this child on his being let go? Has he been nursing his anger and resentment all these years? Hence acting out his intense hatred?

no way..for the money..that was the only reason..for the $40,000 but the police only found about $20,000 in the truck/auto.. so where is the rest of it??

Maybe DW owed someone money--- a dealer?

He would have to be pretty high up in the drug dealing world to get into the position of owing someone $20K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we stop bringing up old news that was discussed and reported 100 pages ago?

Some people are newcomers.

Respectfully, I would also ask newcomers to avoid xenophobic, dog whistle rants that are offensive, inappropriate and irrelevant to gruesome facts of this crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:*caution the following contains info about the Savapolous murders, which will be upsetting to some*

Update- warrant issued for Jordan Wallace, search his 2009 bmw, home, phone.

Wow. Thanks for the update. Best to investigate any possibilities and be able to rule JW either in or out. I'm very glad law enforcement is taking these steps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:*caution the following contains info about the Savapolous murders, which will be upsetting to some*

Update- warrant issued for Jordan Wallace, search his 2009 bmw, home, phone.

Source??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok, not blaming anyone and i know this could happen to everyone but i really don't get how they could hire a person like the helper? i mean he is obviously problematic, not in a criminal way, but just, you know, not someone i would ever hire.

Perhaps it was SS's kindness, familiarity with JW at the racetrack and willingness to be of service that caused SS to hire JW. Things look murky in relationship to JW and the case. And yes you would think there would be criteria and background checks for selecting a personal assistant and rules for the personal assistant to follow. Who would think you would have to spell out not to share anything about his employer's personal property or routines.

the thing is, even if he had spelled it out (and we don't even know that he didn't) the assistant doesn't strike me as someone i could count on to actually follow the order. i think people are way too trusting sometimes (i am not talking about the murder - just assistant's overall behind the back behavior)

come on you can blow your dog whistle louder than that

[Anonymous]

How is that a dog whistle?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*caution the following contains info about the Savapolous murders, which will be upsetting to some*

Update- warrant issued for Jordan Wallace, search his 2009 bmw, home, phone.

Source??

One of the posters here has a friend involved in the investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from him/her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every day I'm following this post and others to try to understand who, where, why, how this could happen. I mourn for the family and their community that benefitted so much from their presence. So I consider everyone involved and sadly, uselessly, how things could have turned out differently. One PP reminded us how many people were in contact with the family in the final hours to mins. NG was to have been at the martial arts studio helping with the opening right? As was JW? Were they at studio at same time and possibly when NG received the scary vm from SS? The one that got deleted and I couldn't bring myself to listen to but many posters did and then regretted what they heard. NG must have heard PS in background and I can't help but wonder why she didn't do more then to discover what was up w/ the family. Perhaps she has so many regrets now. Maybe she's passive by nature. If she was working at time with JW wouldn't she have gotten off phone and said, "wow what a strange call" and she and JW could have taken action... or not???? this is really bugging me. Or can someone confirm they wouldn't have been at the studio together that day.

The housekeeper did not listen to the voicemail till the AM of May 14 I think around 10am or so..from what I read on national news networks and local DC news networks..JW was not at the center with the housekeeper and SS..And she most likely would not have heard PS in the background since it was on a cell phone..or not know what she was hearing..CBS news had the voice mail but it was deleted where the background sounds were heard

The background noises were definitely a hindsight is 20/20 situation. It was not super obvious. And probably not completely uncommon to hear a 10 year old boy yelling in the background. Granted, knowing what was going on, it is incredibly disturbing and I regret listening to it, but I actually had to listen to it twice to hear what people were talking about. It could have easily been missed.

[Anonymous]

Please stop squabbling, people.

Bruce LeShan (sp?) posted the warrant for JWallace's car on his twitter feed. Seeking any containers, cash wrappers, red bag, etc.