Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

No, it’s you that is not clear. The supposed fat shaming happened early 2023 in in prereproduction. The all hands meeting was January 2024.

No, you are confused.

On April 22, 2023, Baldoni asked Lively's trainer what Lively weighed.
On April 25, 2023, Baldoni attended a meeting at Lively's and Reynold's apartment in which Reynolds accused Baldoni of fat shaming Lively.

Separately, there was an all-hands meeting in January 2024 in which ALL of Baldoni's and Heath's behavior was discussed and in which Reynolds reportedly also got quite heated. But that was a separate meeting.

All of this is in Justin's timeline. I thought all you Baldoni stans had "read all the documents" and that's why you are so confident that you know what happened?

Thanks for clearing that up. I must be thrown by all the times Ryan lost his temper and reamed Justin out, even though he had no connection to the movie at all.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Justin repeatedly doing insane things like asking Lively's trainer for confidential info behind her back, making comments to her on set about pornography and how he "passed" women to his buddy Heath, pawing at and kissing Lively in scenes not scripted for that, claiming (when she complains about the pawing/kissing) that "he's not even attracted to her," trying to force her to be nude in a birth scene and telling her it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns in birth, and telling his producing partner to go show her a nude birthing video with no warning or reason.

I never get yelled at for stuff like that, but it's because I don't behave that way. I wonder if those things are related.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

This is one of the strangest posts on this thread, which is really saying something. No, the trainer did not have an obligation to tell Blake that Justin asked how much she weighed so he could lift her.

You don't think Blake Lively's trainer has signed an NDA where he specifically agrees not to disclose personal health details about Lively, including and especially her weight? I assume there's actually a boilerplate celebrity NDA for trainers that specifies that info is off limits.

Otherwise why do you think the trainer's first move after Baldoni asked for the info was to contact Lively and Reynolds and let them know Baldoni had asked?

Some of you are not thinking critically about what happened here.

Assuming doesn't mean thinking critically. We have no way to know any of this.

WHY would the trainer respond to Baldoni's request for Lively's weight by (1) not giving it, and (2) immediately telling Lively it had been asked?

If this were such a normal thing to do, why does the trainer respond as though it's actually very much not?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

No, it’s you that is not clear. The supposed fat shaming happened early 2023 in in prereproduction. The all hands meeting was January 2024.

No, you are confused.

On April 22, 2023, Baldoni asked Lively's trainer what Lively weighed.
On April 25, 2023, Baldoni attended a meeting at Lively's and Reynold's apartment in which Reynolds accused Baldoni of fat shaming Lively.

Separately, there was an all-hands meeting in January 2024 in which ALL of Baldoni's and Heath's behavior was discussed and in which Reynolds reportedly also got quite heated. But that was a separate meeting.

All of this is in Justin's timeline. I thought all you Baldoni stans had "read all the documents" and that's why you are so confident that you know what happened?

Thanks for clearing that up. I must be thrown by all the times Ryan lost his temper and reamed Justin out, even though he had no connection to the movie at all.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Justin repeatedly doing insane things like asking Lively's trainer for confidential info behind her back, making comments to her on set about pornography and how he "passed" women to his buddy Heath, pawing at and kissing Lively in scenes not scripted for that, claiming (when she complains about the pawing/kissing) that "he's not even attracted to her," trying to force her to be nude in a birth scene and telling her it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns in birth, and telling his producing partner to go show her a nude birthing video with no warning or reason.

I never get yelled at for stuff like that, but it's because I don't behave that way. I wonder if those things are related.

Not even the complaint makes the allegations in the manner you describe. Time to touch grass.

[Anonymous]

Actresses participate in stunts and lifts all the time and generally would guard their weight as a secret, so there must be a protocol that is generally followed. Baldoni had a business purpose to know her weight but went about it in an unprofessional way. That alone isn't gender discrimination or sexual harassment. Could it be part of a general pattern of gender based boundary pushing? Maybe. It's sort of a reach on that but I can understand Lively getting upset about it. And then if she's bringing up her grievances anyway, including this item which is borderline. The problem for her is many of her claims are kind of borderline or not as bad with more context. That's why discovery is going to be intense, because it's a lot of little fact intensive scenarios where more information is needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

Fat shaming is telling the actress that her clothes are too tight or don't fit right with the implication that the problem is her weight. This is especially egregious and shaming if done in front of other people.

Fat shaming is not discreetly trying to find out someone's weight in order to avoid injuring the person and yourself. I am sorry it is ridiculous to claim trying to prepare to lift someone is "shaming" them.

Uh, they did tell her that her clothes were unflattering and didn't fit her correctly, after the paparazzi photos of her on the first day of filming came out. Justin and Blake met for over an hour to discuss it and Justin said he was "terrified" to have the meeting and wound up crying in the meeting because it was so awkward to tell Blake that they thought she looked fat in her wardrobe. I'm sure he didn't use that word but it was clearly implied.

Also, he asks her trainer for her weight after multiple texts between them in which she expresses concern about her weight, explains she's trying to lose 20 lb before she feels good about where she's at, assures him that it's really important for her to look good in the movie, and even asks if they can move "body work" to the end of filming so that she can be in shape for it.

The implication of ALL of these conversations was that Lively was too fat and needed to lose weight. Including the one where Justin asked her trainer for her weight.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

No, it’s you that is not clear. The supposed fat shaming happened early 2023 in in prereproduction. The all hands meeting was January 2024.

No, you are confused.

On April 22, 2023, Baldoni asked Lively's trainer what Lively weighed.
On April 25, 2023, Baldoni attended a meeting at Lively's and Reynold's apartment in which Reynolds accused Baldoni of fat shaming Lively.

Separately, there was an all-hands meeting in January 2024 in which ALL of Baldoni's and Heath's behavior was discussed and in which Reynolds reportedly also got quite heated. But that was a separate meeting.

All of this is in Justin's timeline. I thought all you Baldoni stans had "read all the documents" and that's why you are so confident that you know what happened?

Thanks for clearing that up. I must be thrown by all the times Ryan lost his temper and reamed Justin out, even though he had no connection to the movie at all.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Justin repeatedly doing insane things like asking Lively's trainer for confidential info behind her back, making comments to her on set about pornography and how he "passed" women to his buddy Heath, pawing at and kissing Lively in scenes not scripted for that, claiming (when she complains about the pawing/kissing) that "he's not even attracted to her," trying to force her to be nude in a birth scene and telling her it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns in birth, and telling his producing partner to go show her a nude birthing video with no warning or reason.

I never get yelled at for stuff like that, but it's because I don't behave that way. I wonder if those things are related.

Not even the complaint makes the allegations in the manner you describe. Time to touch grass.

DP from person you are responding to but on the contrary Lively’s complaint pretty much does exactly that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actresses participate in stunts and lifts all the time and generally would guard their weight as a secret, so there must be a protocol that is generally followed. Baldoni had a business purpose to know her weight but went about it in an unprofessional way. That alone isn't gender discrimination or sexual harassment. Could it be part of a general pattern of gender based boundary pushing? Maybe. It's sort of a reach on that but I can understand Lively getting upset about it. And then if she's bringing up her grievances anyway, including this item which is borderline. The problem for her is many of her claims are kind of borderline or not as bad with more context. That's why discovery is going to be intense, because it's a lot of little fact intensive scenarios where more information is needed.

Agree except to me when you put her complaints in the context of one another, they look more like SH to me than if you look at any of them individually.

Like if the only thing she was alleging was that Justin fat shamed her when he asked her trainer for her weight, and then Justin explained "hey I have a bad back, I was worried about this lift," I would say for sure that is not SH and not even fat shaming and was just him handling that situation in a weird way (probably should have gone through a stunt coordinator and not tried to get that info from her trainer).

But when I look at that in context with them texting back and forth about her weight specifically prior to that incident, and then the stuff regarding her wardrobe and them flipping out about the paparazzi photos (which I think were much less of a big deal than they seemed to make them out to be -- it was a few photos of like two costumes, and actors often look kind of weird in costume between takes because the hair/makeup/costume is designed to be filmed up close with lighting and everything and it's going to look weird/different via a zoom lens from a distance), it does start to look like they were kind of hassling her about her weight before filming and as filming started, and when this is combined with other inappropriate behavior, it starts to paint a picture for me of a hostile work environment.

I think that Baldoni's and Heath's behavior can add up to more than the sum of its parts when taken together as a piece. Were they respectful on set, conscientious about consent and privacy, professional and appropriate? Or were they boundary violating, sometimes crude and inappropriate, and imposing a lot of pressure on Lively regarding her weight and appearance? Altogether, it looks more like the latter than the former.

But yes, that depends on lots of details and discovery is going to be a bear because there are so many little incidents. I also think you see people deciding "oh this one incident isn't SH on its own, so none of them are, so it's not SH." I disagree with this logic because of how hostile work environment claims work, but it's clearly a lot of people's instinct and that's a problem for Lively's team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

Fat shaming is telling the actress that her clothes are too tight or don't fit right with the implication that the problem is her weight. This is especially egregious and shaming if done in front of other people.

Fat shaming is not discreetly trying to find out someone's weight in order to avoid injuring the person and yourself. I am sorry it is ridiculous to claim trying to prepare to lift someone is "shaming" them.

Uh, they did tell her that her clothes were unflattering and didn't fit her correctly, after the paparazzi photos of her on the first day of filming came out. Justin and Blake met for over an hour to discuss it and Justin said he was "terrified" to have the meeting and wound up crying in the meeting because it was so awkward to tell Blake that they thought she looked fat in her wardrobe. I'm sure he didn't use that word but it was clearly implied.

Also, he asks her trainer for her weight after multiple texts between them in which she expresses concern about her weight, explains she's trying to lose 20 lb before she feels good about where she's at, assures him that it's really important for her to look good in the movie, and even asks if they can move "body work" to the end of filming so that she can be in shape for it.

The implication of ALL of these conversations was that Lively was too fat and needed to lose weight. Including the one where Justin asked her trainer for her weight.

I think the topic about the paparazzi photos was the outfit with the mom jeans was that the press was covering that the outfits were horrendous and ridiculous. I remember seeing the pictures and thinking it looked like an alt world Blake Lively from 1988 Omaha. It was not that she looked fat.

[Anonymous]

You are such a paid pr piece. I walked away for a few hours, and he we go with the everything can be twisted into SH if you combine a million micro facts.

Unbelievable!

[Anonymous]

This is exactly why JB should not settle. Just insufferable. Let it go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are such a paid pr piece. I walked away for a few hours, and he we go with the everything can be twisted into SH if you combine a million micro facts.

Unbelievable!

Oh come on. Justin fat shamed her by adjusting the lighting and changing the shot angle. He also "fat shamed" by offering plain coffee instead of a mocha latte, the implication being that fat cow Blake did not need the whipped cream and sugar. He lives to fat shame the stars of his films because making them feel like crap contributes to their performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are such a paid pr piece. I walked away for a few hours, and he we go with the everything can be twisted into SH if you combine a million micro facts.

Unbelievable!

I don’t think I’m PP you’re addressing, though I did write one long comment on the last page. Just noting that the thread will survive without you for more than “a few hours” — really, it’s okay!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are such a paid pr piece. I walked away for a few hours, and he we go with the everything can be twisted into SH if you combine a million micro facts.

Unbelievable!

I love that you think that if you "walk away" from the thread for a few hours an in that time, everyone should wait to post any opinions that might differ from yours until you come back.

Or maybe you think people just shouldn't post different opinions?

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Anonymous wrote:You are such a paid pr piece. I walked away for a few hours, and he we go with the everything can be twisted into SH if you combine a million micro facts.

Unbelievable!

Oh come on. Justin fat shamed her by adjusting the lighting and changing the shot angle. He also "fat shamed" by offering plain coffee instead of a mocha latte, the implication being that fat cow Blake did not need the whipped cream and sugar. He lives to fat shame the stars of his films because making them feel like crap contributes to their performance.

Uh, no, he fat shamed her by asking her trainer to disclose her weight and complaining how she looked in her costumes.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing I’m really confused about is this fat shaming incident. It seemed to happen at the very beginning in preproduction when Justin was working with the mutual trainer, Don. from Blake’s telling of things, don was inappropriately asked by Justin about her weight.

But what I find so strange is that there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that that happened until the January 4 all hands meeting when Ryan screamed at Justin for fat shaming his wife. I’m just not clear, since Blake used her voice throughout this whole production, why that didn’t come up earlier? I mean she had a lot of power at the start of the film. She was the star being paid millions of dollars, she was an executive producer, which I understand is not as powerful as producer, but it is still something. she had control over the wardrobe. So she did have a voice as is clearly referenced, when she wanted the rooftop scene her way she was not afraid to ask and fight for that. And she wanted her wardrobe preferences she was fully able to push back against that. I’m just not sure why they didn’t address that weren’t frankly why she didn’t have her lawyers right in like they did with everything else she had a problem about.

I find it so odd that we’ve not seen one tax or any documentation of the fat shaming. I feel like if it got back to Justin that Blake felt fat shamed, looking at his other behaviors of making apologies for everything, I just don’t understand why there wasn’t a voice note or a text Explaining himself. And I think there isn’t one because it was not a thing until the January 4 meeting - he had no idea what happened because it wasn’t really a thing.

You are not clear. The incident happened in the spring of 2023, Lively and Reynolds found out because the trainer told them that Baldoni had asked. And then Baldoni went to their apartment for a meeting and that's when Reynolds laid into him for it. All of this happened before the movie started filming.

I think people should keep in mind how Lively found out about that incident. Her trainer found the question inappropriate and told Lively and Reynolds because he found it inappropriate. You need to think about what it is like to be famous and have your appearance and weight scrutinized all the time, especially after having a baby. I would bet the trainer actually signed an NDA specifically about Lively's weight and health, because this would be considered valuable information to tabloids and gossip columnists. So from the Lively camp's perspective, this would be considered a big breach, for someone to ask for her weight, specifically, and to not ask directly but to ask someone she employs who might have weighed her for his job. That would be considered sensitive info that shouldn't be spread around.

I know Baldoni has presented this defense that he was asking because of this lift in the script. I honestly have no idea if that's true. It's plausible. But it's still a violation and that's not how he should have gone about it. I think it's odd that, being an actor and director himself and having worked in the business for a while, it wouldn't have occurred to him how inappropriate it would be to ask for that kind of information from her trainer. It would be like asking her housekeeper how much she drinks or asking her nanny how often she and her husband have sex -- gossip fodder that it would be a huge violation for any of those people to disclose.

Also we have no idea how the trainer conveyed this info to Lively and Reynolds. I am certain the trainer felt he had an obligation/duty to tell them and also probably wanted to make sure they knew he'd been asked but had not disclosed, in case Baldoni said anything about it. Baldoni put the trainer in a bad position by asking for that kind of confidential info. It is no surprise to me at all that Lively and Reynolds reacted very strongly.

No, it’s you that is not clear. The supposed fat shaming happened early 2023 in in prereproduction. The all hands meeting was January 2024.

No, you are confused.

On April 22, 2023, Baldoni asked Lively's trainer what Lively weighed.
On April 25, 2023, Baldoni attended a meeting at Lively's and Reynold's apartment in which Reynolds accused Baldoni of fat shaming Lively.

Separately, there was an all-hands meeting in January 2024 in which ALL of Baldoni's and Heath's behavior was discussed and in which Reynolds reportedly also got quite heated. But that was a separate meeting.

All of this is in Justin's timeline. I thought all you Baldoni stans had "read all the documents" and that's why you are so confident that you know what happened?

Thanks for clearing that up. I must be thrown by all the times Ryan lost his temper and reamed Justin out, even though he had no connection to the movie at all.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Justin repeatedly doing insane things like asking Lively's trainer for confidential info behind her back, making comments to her on set about pornography and how he "passed" women to his buddy Heath, pawing at and kissing Lively in scenes not scripted for that, claiming (when she complains about the pawing/kissing) that "he's not even attracted to her," trying to force her to be nude in a birth scene and telling her it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns in birth, and telling his producing partner to go show her a nude birthing video with no warning or reason.

I never get yelled at for stuff like that, but it's because I don't behave that way. I wonder if those things are related.

And somehow he has zero complaints like this until Blake. Maybe something fell on his head and he changed personalities.