Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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I think it'd be a great exercise to have APS figure out how to safely hold school board meetings in person - along with distance participation. I'd be a case study providing valuable info on what may be required for the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Staff was told verbally (guessing this was intentional). Only know of ES phases: PK-K go back in January; 1st and 2nd February; 3rd through 5th in March.

I don't know if you are APS, but this time line is completely inaccurate now. All will be back in mid Februrary.

I was regretting picking DL and foreclosing any hybrid for the year til I saw this. I hope for the sake of those who did choose hybrid that this isn’t true. This is basically APS caving to APE and the Wash Post. Drama and fear of publicity over science and safety for staff and students. I hope they start to have fully staffed live school board meetings BEFORE they send teachers back to the classroom.

This. AND that all of central office is working in the office, not from home, before they tell us it is "safe" to send our kids into school.

I think they should have to work in schools, with children, first.

Agree 100%. No one should be sent into a classroom until the school board, central offices, and BOS resume all meetings in person. And they have to have lunch together in those same meeting rooms, too.

I realize (hope?) you are all being facetious, it this is just stupid. If we’re going to open schools, we need everyone else taking every measure possible to minimize the risk of transmission so no one catches it at home or at a school board meeting and then brings it into the schools. I support opening schools (hybrid, masks, distancing, etc.), but am also willing to otherwise lock down as much as possible to help keep schools safe (and have been doing so all along so as to not risk contributing to virus spread that would make it more dangerous).

I can’t speak for the other PPs, but I am not being facetious at all when I say I support this 100 percent. If it’s safe enough for teachers and school staff to be in these buildings with children, it’s safe enough for the decision makers.

I am one of the PPs and I was not being facetious. I was in person with students prior to winter break. If it's supposedly safe enough for my coworkers and me to be in a classroom with unmasked students (spoiler alert: it wasn't, because some of us got covid from students), then it's safe enough for the School Board to have in person meetings.

I mean, they don’t have to have their meetings in an office or civic building, for God’s sake. I am sure teachers would be happy to lend them one of their classrooms after hours, so as to minimize the risk of transmission.

I like your style! They’ll be safe in the classroom! Of course the school board and central admin and senior leaders should be willing to be in person for their 6 hour meetings and regular work day. 6 feet apart with masks. Just like the teachers and kids they are sending in despite the off the charts metrics. What could go wrong!

And don't forget the 30 minutes unmasked lunch!

[Anonymous]

From just a leadership perspective, I can’t believe that they aren’t planning to have live meetings and 100% live central admin staff before they bring teachers in. Where I work the leaders lead by example and don’t ask staff to do anything they aren’t comfortable doing themselves. I urge everyone to email the School Board and demand live meetings with all central admin staff in attendance before school opens.

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Anonymous wrote:From just a leadership perspective, I can’t believe that they aren’t planning to have live meetings and 100% live central admin staff before they bring teachers in. Where I work the leaders lead by example and don’t ask staff to do anything they aren’t comfortable doing themselves. I urge everyone to email the School Board and demand live meetings with all central admin staff in attendance before school opens.

They will say the governor has banned gatherings over 10

Just not in school lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From just a leadership perspective, I can’t believe that they aren’t planning to have live meetings and 100% live central admin staff before they bring teachers in. Where I work the leaders lead by example and don’t ask staff to do anything they aren’t comfortable doing themselves. I urge everyone to email the School Board and demand live meetings with all central admin staff in attendance before school opens.

They will say the governor has banned gatherings over 10

Just not in school lol

Ok then they need to sit in classrooms all day long with our kids and eat lunch in the cafeterias with them.

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Anonymous wrote:From just a leadership perspective, I can’t believe that they aren’t planning to have live meetings and 100% live central admin staff before they bring teachers in. Where I work the leaders lead by example and don’t ask staff to do anything they aren’t comfortable doing themselves. I urge everyone to email the School Board and demand live meetings with all central admin staff in attendance before school opens.

They will say the governor has banned gatherings over 10

Just not in school lol

Ok then they need to sit in classrooms all day long with our kids and eat lunch in the cafeterias with them.

I am a teacher and fully agree with you. If it’s safe for me and the kids, it’s safe for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a good analogy. But partners should have to go in before they mandate associates and admin staff do.

What’s wrong with the analogy? If it’s safe for grocery employees to work on stores, why shouldn’t everyone else be back in the office too? If it’s not safe enough to bring back everyone, we should let grocery employees stay home until it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a good analogy. But partners should have to go in before they mandate associates and admin staff do.

What’s wrong with the analogy? If it’s safe for grocery employees to work on stores, why shouldn’t everyone else be back in the office too? If it’s not safe enough to bring back everyone, we should let grocery employees stay home until it is.

can we get back to school please?

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Anonymous wrote:Not a good analogy. But partners should have to go in before they mandate associates and admin staff do.

What’s wrong with the analogy? If it’s safe for grocery employees to work on stores, why shouldn’t everyone else be back in the office too? If it’s not safe enough to bring back everyone, we should let grocery employees stay home until it is.

It’s not a perfect analogy because schools with kids have been open for months now and we know it can be safe. Anyone that can work from home should for the sake of the community. Teaching is not one of those jobs. The better analogy is if we are sending grocery store workers, delivery people, and other essential workers to work than so should teachers.

Signed,
An essential worker.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a good analogy. But partners should have to go in before they mandate associates and admin staff do.

What’s wrong with the analogy? If it’s safe for grocery employees to work on stores, why shouldn’t everyone else be back in the office too? If it’s not safe enough to bring back everyone, we should let grocery employees stay home until it is.

It’s not a perfect analogy because schools with kids have been open for months now and we know it can be safe. Anyone that can work from home should for the sake of the community. Teaching is not one of those jobs. The better analogy is if we are sending grocery store workers, delivery people, and other essential workers to work than so should teachers.

Signed,
An essential worker.

I think we’re on the same page. The decision of who should be working in person vs. remotely is largely based on (1) how essential the job is, and (2) can it be adequately performed remotely. Teaching is a necessary job, we can’t just quit educating kids for a year or more, and the data shows that remote learning hasn’t been very effective for many students. These factors weigh in favor of bringing back in-person schooling. As for central administration, while their jobs need to be done, none of the previous posters have made a case for why it can’t effectively be done remotely. If it can, those people should continue to work remotely, in no small part for the safety of essential workers who need to work in-person.

[Anonymous]

Remote learning hasn’t been effective because it isn’t remote learning . It is a school day just done on the computer. The school districts set kids and teachers up to fail because they didn’t actually thoughtfully design and implement a sustainable and humane remote learning situation. Still doing observations, hours of live meets a day, report cards, standardized tests, etc. THAT is why remote learning isn’t working. Look at how every district copped out on actually creating something to meet the moment and instead stuck to the same rigid structures with everything that already doesn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a good analogy. But partners should have to go in before they mandate associates and admin staff do.

What’s wrong with the analogy? If it’s safe for grocery employees to work on stores, why shouldn’t everyone else be back in the office too? If it’s not safe enough to bring back everyone, we should let grocery employees stay home until it is.

It’s not a perfect analogy because schools with kids have been open for months now and we know it can be safe. Anyone that can work from home should for the sake of the community. Teaching is not one of those jobs. The better analogy is if we are sending grocery store workers, delivery people, and other essential workers to work than so should teachers.

Signed,
An essential worker.

Exactly- the comments about trying to force APS leaders to meet in person is clearly revenge. Some people need to grow up.

[Anonymous]

Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t get it. if the grocery stores are safe then the managers should be there. And the regional managers should be stopping in periodically for the day. Seems to me that the school board and senior leaders can handle a live meeting every 2 weeks if community spread makes it safe enough to return to school!

It’s been explained repeatedly. If you’re incapable of understanding, we can’t help you.

“Teachers and kids and the lowest paid earners like grocery store clerks and servers should be at work at risk but everyone else should still be able to work at home safely.” We know.