"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I was not the poster who said that everyone was in their cars and did not get out.

I talked to the people I mentioned in a parking lot before the rally. Those I talked to said they were either supporting grocery workers or knew people with small businesses. I was their to support workers who are trying to get higher pay as risk compensation. My wife was with me because she is a pediatrician who wants to see select patients she feels cannot be correctly treated only through health conferences.

The protest wasn't about higher pay for grocery workers - a lot of us have been asking for that for decades, that is great, maybe support raising the min. wage to $15/hr as a start? With combat pay for times like this?

A pediatrician can see their patients, either virtually for check ups or in-person for cases that warrant it.

Your post makes no sense in the context of the nature of the protest.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

Why can't they? Are you now arguing that we shouldn't do testing and that COVID-10-positive individuals should simply go about their business?

I'm not saying don't test. I'm asking what we do with those that test positive?. And if you test everyone, it has to become a round robin because someone could test negative on day 1 and positive on day 3. When one wears a mask, they don't spread the virus to other near as readily as without. And if the other person also has a mask, then they don't get it either. Washing hands takes care of contact.

Again, aren't people already out there putting their lives on the line so that others can not take the risk?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

Why can't they? Are you now arguing that we shouldn't do testing and that COVID-10-positive individuals should simply go about their business?

They can't be left at home because they will infect others in the household and we can't trust them not to go out and infect others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

If only it were limited to them getting sick. Sadly, there are social costs that others must pay. It is not the choice of those they infect.

That's very true! So why are we sacrificing grocery store workers, truckers, police officers and medical personnel?

why are we? I want them to get PPE and hazard pay and workplace protections and collective bargaining. You?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

+1

If you’re cool with doing “contactless” food, then there’s no reason why you can’t be cool with businesses opening up with the same rules such as masks, gloves, etc.

In both scenarios, you’re taking a risk of getting COVID, albeit very small risk.

I’m not saying let’s have NBA games, concerts, WWE events, etc, but we can definitely have the smaller businesses such as local shops and wineries and parks to reopen.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

Why can't they? Are you now arguing that we shouldn't do testing and that COVID-10-positive individuals should simply go about their business?

They can't be left at home because they will infect others in the household and we can't trust them not to go out and infect others.

I love when posters like you respond, then think of something else to say, and respond again. Remarkably, the extra time for thinking didn't result in anything more intelligent to say.

Obviously, you are just a troll, so enjoy your day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

um yes they could. It’s called quarantine!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

+1

If you’re cool with doing “contactless” food, then there’s no reason why you can’t be cool with businesses opening up with the same rules such as masks, gloves, etc.

In both scenarios, you’re taking a risk of getting COVID, albeit very small risk.

I’m not saying let’s have NBA games, concerts, WWE events, etc, but we can definitely have the smaller businesses such as local shops and wineries and parks to reopen.

First we need to get everyone masks. and of course, reopening a few parks and shops are not what they’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

If only it were limited to them getting sick. Sadly, there are social costs that others must pay. It is not the choice of those they infect.

That's very true! So why are we sacrificing grocery store workers, truckers, police officers and medical personnel?

why are we? I want them to get PPE and hazard pay and workplace protections and collective bargaining. You?

How many are working for those reasons, PP?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

+1

If you’re cool with doing “contactless” food, then there’s no reason why you can’t be cool with businesses opening up with the same rules such as masks, gloves, etc.

In both scenarios, you’re taking a risk of getting COVID, albeit very small risk.

I’m not saying let’s have NBA games, concerts, WWE events, etc, but we can definitely have the smaller businesses such as local shops and wineries and parks to reopen.

I've said about 100 times that that is exactly what I am in favor of. We need testing to identify those who are positive. Contact tracing to find out who else was exposed. PPE to add protection. And socially distant workplaces and transportation to help prevent the spread.

We currently aren't able to do any of this on any sort of scale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

right. They are essential workers. Everyone else stays home so we don’t burden the health care system or spread it to essential workers. Not sure why this is hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

Is that picture real?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

They aren't contactless. People have to touch the groceries, pack the groceries, and deliver the groceries. People have to prepare the food at restaurants.

Those people doing the packing, delivering, etc. don't have the luxury of staying home.

+1

If you’re cool with doing “contactless” food, then there’s no reason why you can’t be cool with businesses opening up with the same rules such as masks, gloves, etc.

In both scenarios, you’re taking a risk of getting COVID, albeit very small risk.

I’m not saying let’s have NBA games, concerts, WWE events, etc, but we can definitely have the smaller businesses such as local shops and wineries and parks to reopen.

I've said about 100 times that that is exactly what I am in favor of. We need testing to identify those who are positive. Contact tracing to find out who else was exposed. PPE to add protection. And socially distant workplaces and transportation to help prevent the spread.

We currently aren't able to do any of this on any sort of scale.

I heard they’re gonna roll out at-home testing similar to a home pregnancy test. That would work well. Combine that with masks (gloves are overkill unless you’re dealing with food ) and you’re set.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Is that picture real?

Yes, see this story about it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/that-ohio-protest-photo-looked-like-a-zombie-movie-zombie-movie-directors-think-so-too/2020/04/17/b518fc48-801c-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html