"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Pure gaslighting. of course they have a constitutional right to assemble and file grievence. is it smart right now to do that?

It's actually essential they do so, lest they lose everything they worked so hard for.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

If only it were limited to them getting sick. Sadly, there are social costs that others must pay. It is not the choice of those they infect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

If only it were limited to them getting sick. Sadly, there are social costs that others must pay. It is not the choice of those they infect.

That's very true! So why are we sacrificing grocery store workers, truckers, police officers and medical personnel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

That staying home is a luxury.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff's logic doesnt make sense. On one hand he doesnt want death, yet in another thread he was talking about a walk in Rock Creek Park the other day. Another hypocritical statement with political overtures I'm guessing

Yes, I walked in Rock Creek Park because daily exercise is necessary to maintain good health. I stayed more than six feet from anyone else. When I saw that the park became crowded, I began wearing a mask during walks, while still maintaining a safe distance from others. Then, I hurt my foot and haven't been able to walk for a few days.

If we could reopen the economy while allowing everyone to maintain similar conditions as I do on my walks, I would strongly support reopening. But, in fact, we can't so I don't. That is consistency rather than hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is demanding that the working class risk its health while you continue to protect yours.

That's exactly the guidance from the task force, yet I'm sure you don't watch the presser or read the literature because you despise the leader. I'm out every day and see many others doing the same.

I watch the press conference every day. Yesterday I saw Trump supporting protesters who violated every guideline. So I don’t have confidence in his leadership.

Wrong again, he supported the constitutional rights of them. I saw social distancing in Michigan and the Maryland protests. They were all in cars circling the state house fwiw. In virginia trump commented on 2nd amendment rights, but you do you! Just like your walks in RCP, these protesters practiced safe distancing after being in quarantine for 14 days per the guidelines.

Safe distancing according to PP:

Isn't that their choice? They'll be the ones getting sick

1.) They can infect others.
2.) they can infect enough to overwhelm hospitals.
3.) can they afford the hospital bill? I don’t want to pay for them to get sick. More than happy to pay for their food to keep them home.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only reason y'all get to hunker down and get deliveries is because there are other people "going first" to get these goods to you

What’s your point?

I think the point is that all the people who are sitting in their homes declaring that only morons who want to die are going out are discounting the fact that lots of people are already out and making it possible for them to sit barricaded in their homes.

Nobody in this thread has said that people should not return to work in safe conditions. All the deliveries that I am seeing these days are contactless. We are rarely getting deliveries but do pick-ups more often. I see the Grubhub folks doing contactless pickups at restaurants. We have had contactless deliveries at our house. This is exponentially safer than a bunch of folks congregating in a restaurant.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an infectious disease. They can’t chose who else they give it to. And the health care providers certainly don’t get to chose not to care for them.

Neither can the asymptomatic people. So I guess the only solution here is to lock people in their homes. Or we can test them all and forcibly remove anyone who test positive and put them in camps so they can't infect others.

I bet if you try real hard, you can think of another solution. If not, you may want to reconsider your participation in this discussion.

I can! Masks and social distancing as best as possible. But the world continues turning in the meantime. What do we do if we test everyone and someone tests positive? They can't possibly be left at home.

Why can't they? Are you now arguing that we shouldn't do testing and that COVID-10-positive individuals should simply go about their business?