Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

[Anonymous]

The last three Democratic winner of the Presidency have been relative outsiders. Two southern Presidents and one first term Senator. It is likely that someone from the wilderness will emerge from the scrums of Iowa, NH and SC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope these are all bored housewives' postings. The more of this thread that came from professional Democrats, the more likely it is that Trump will repeat.

There's precious little learned from 2016 here.

So dazzle us with your prognostications, then.

I worked in an area in MD that helped put Trump in office. He's still popular. And while that area is not Middle America, it's still a good reflection.

I think the Ds (I'm former D, current Ind.) believe Ocasio-Cortez is the new wave in politics, but she's really a dingbat with a big mouth ($21T deal . . . ). If you want moderation at this point, you don't find the "Trump Extreme."

The more liberals wag their tongues in horror over the latest Trump incident, the stronger his base becomes. And many are quiet . . . just sitting back, listening in quiet anger.

But you all STILL don't get it.

[Anonymous]

So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope these are all bored housewives' postings. The more of this thread that came from professional Democrats, the more likely it is that Trump will repeat.

There's precious little learned from 2016 here.

So dazzle us with your prognostications, then.

I worked in an area in MD that helped put Trump in office. He's still popular. And while that area is not Middle America, it's still a good reflection.

I think the Ds (I'm former D, current Ind.) believe Ocasio-Cortez is the new wave in politics, but she's really a dingbat with a big mouth ($21T deal . . . ). If you want moderation at this point, you don't find the "Trump Extreme."

The more liberals wag their tongues in horror over the latest Trump incident, the stronger his base becomes. And many are quiet . . . just sitting back, listening in quiet anger.

But you all STILL don't get it.

With all due respect:

What Trump lovers don't seem to get is that the base isn't big enough to elect him. He needs folks outside of his rabid base to win.

Look, much as I hate him - and I HATE HIM - he might win again! Incumbents have a huge advantage, who knows if Democrats will get our sh*t together enough to win next time, yadda yadda yadda.

But the base isn't big enough to take it. And Trump has done jack sh*t to bring in supporters outside of his base. The next election will be partly about bringing out the base, and then largely about suburban voters. The midterms suggest that Trump hasn't really won over those voters. Again, we will have to see.

And as I said in the thread in which someone was asking why liberals are obsessed with Lena Dunham: you've got it wrong. Liberals aren't obsessed with AOC, just like we're not with Lena Dunham. Conservatives are obsessed with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

The want us to shut up, basically. Leave them alone to enjoy their time with Dear Leader. They use the threat that the more we talk, the more they love him, to try to get us to shut up. But

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last three Democratic winner of the Presidency have been relative outsiders. Two southern Presidents and one first term Senator. It is likely that someone from the wilderness will emerge from the scrums of Iowa, NH and SC.

Steve Bullock

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

The want us to shut up, basically. Leave them alone to enjoy their time with Dear Leader. They use the threat that the more we talk, the more they love him, to try to get us to shut up. But

And you DON'T get it, as I've said before.

I have liberal friends who either voted third party or voted for Hillary who are not angry at other liberals b/c of their reaction to his election. He's not losing ground based on what I've seen. I stay neutral. So people talk to me. And these are educated people who were lifelong Ds.

If you think that your yapping will earn the Ds points, you're fooling yourself. For every angry, disappointed D, there's at least one who can no longer stand the crying.

But I doubt many of you remove yourselves from your liberal bubbles.

Just stop the tears and find yourselves a moderate. And guess what? That moderate could be - gasp - a third party candidate!

[Anonymous]

Correction!

I have liberal friends who either voted third party or voted for Hillary who are NOWangry . . .

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

The want us to shut up, basically. Leave them alone to enjoy their time with Dear Leader. They use the threat that the more we talk, the more they love him, to try to get us to shut up. But

And you DON'T get it, as I've said before.

I have liberal friends who either voted third party or voted for Hillary who are not angry at other liberals b/c of their reaction to his election. He's not losing ground based on what I've seen. I stay neutral. So people talk to me. And these are educated people who were lifelong Ds.

If you think that your yapping will earn the Ds points, you're fooling yourself. For every angry, disappointed D, there's at least one who can no longer stand the crying.

But I doubt many of you remove yourselves from your liberal bubbles.

Just stop the tears and find yourselves a moderate. And guess what? That moderate could be - gasp - a third party candidate!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

The want us to shut up, basically. Leave them alone to enjoy their time with Dear Leader. They use the threat that the more we talk, the more they love him, to try to get us to shut up. But

And you DON'T get it, as I've said before.

I have liberal friends who either voted third party or voted for Hillary who are not angry at other liberals b/c of their reaction to his election. He's not losing ground based on what I've seen. I stay neutral. So people talk to me. And these are educated people who were lifelong Ds.

If you think that your yapping will earn the Ds points, you're fooling yourself. For every angry, disappointed D, there's at least one who can no longer stand the crying.

But I doubt many of you remove yourselves from your liberal bubbles.

Just stop the tears and find yourselves a moderate. And guess what? That moderate could be - gasp - a third party candidate!

Again, you're still just saying "Shut up, liberals. Your outrage over the outrageous is unacceptable."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Again, you're still just saying "Shut up, liberals. Your outrage over the outrageous is unacceptable."

this.

so, accept the unacceptable? NOPE. EVERYONE should be pissed. This shit isn't normal. It's on THEM if they just want to go along to get along.

Seriously, screw that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope these are all bored housewives' postings. The more of this thread that came from professional Democrats, the more likely it is that Trump will repeat.

There's precious little learned from 2016 here.

So dazzle us with your prognostications, then.

I worked in an area in MD that helped put Trump in office. He's still popular. And while that area is not Middle America, it's still a good reflection.

I think the Ds (I'm former D, current Ind.) believe Ocasio-Cortez is the new wave in politics, but she's really a dingbat with a big mouth ($21T deal . . . ). If you want moderation at this point, you don't find the "Trump Extreme."

The more liberals wag their tongues in horror over the latest Trump incident, the stronger his base becomes. And many are quiet . . . just sitting back, listening in quiet anger.

But you all STILL don't get it.

Maybe you should start by learning about the electoral college. Maryland did not help put Trump in office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Dems aren’t supposed to push back on the hideous things trump and the republicans are doing, including horrible decisions for this rabid base?

I honestly don’t know what they suggest Dems do, then. I mean, really - I don’t think there IS a strategy that will convince these people to leave their damn cult and come back to reality.

The want us to shut up, basically. Leave them alone to enjoy their time with Dear Leader. They use the threat that the more we talk, the more they love him, to try to get us to shut up. But

And you DON'T get it, as I've said before.

I have liberal friends who either voted third party or voted for Hillary who are not angry at other liberals b/c of their reaction to his election. He's not losing ground based on what I've seen. I stay neutral. So people talk to me. And these are educated people who were lifelong Ds.

If you think that your yapping will earn the Ds points, you're fooling yourself. For every angry, disappointed D, there's at least one who can no longer stand the crying.

But I doubt many of you remove yourselves from your liberal bubbles.

Just stop the tears and find yourselves a moderate. And guess what? That moderate could be - gasp - a third party candidate!

Again, you're still just saying "Shut up, liberals. Your outrage over the outrageous is unacceptable."

Yeah. Exactly. Sorry your friends are telling you peevish things but I don't think that means that folks who hate Trump should just STFU about it in case we stimulate the base. You people are insane. We get it. You don't even really know what we're saying because Fox news is just telling you all kinds of insane things to get you worked up 24/7. My lord by Fox's estimation, I think HRC is president and AOC is her VP. We can talk, not talk, listen to you, not listen to you - you're still the same reactive Trump lovers. Whoop dee doo.

PS: My husband works in Republican politics. Does that BLOW YOUR MIND re: your assumptions that I live in a liberal bubble?

[Anonymous]

Biden is qualified, but we need a fresh face to take on Trump, or at least someone not approaching their eighties.

Former Vice President Joe Biden fueled speculation he might make a 2020 bid for the White House, saying Monday night that he believes he is the “most qualified” person to take on President Trump.

“I'll be as straight with you as I can. I think I'm the most qualified person in the country to be president,” Biden said at a stop for his book tour in Missoula, Montana. “The issues that we face as a country today are the issues that have been in my wheelhouse, that I've worked on my whole life.”


“No one should run for the job unless they believe that they would be qualified doing the job. I've been doing this my whole adult life, and the issues that are the most consequential relating to the plight of the middle class and our foreign policy are things that I have – even my critics would acknowledge, I may not be right but I know a great deal about it,” he added.

[Anonymous]

Who can the Democrats nominate that will turn out the base in large enough numbers (and, more importantly, in the swing states)? It's really that simple, except that there's no magic formula in finding the right candidate who will do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, you're still just saying "Shut up, liberals. Your outrage over the outrageous is unacceptable."

this.

so, accept the unacceptable? NOPE. EVERYONE should be pissed. This shit isn't normal. It's on THEM if they just want to go along to get along.

Seriously, screw that.

NP here.

I'd recommend leaving your little bubble more often.

There was a close election. One party won, another lost. Pretty typical.

Yet, you were doing marches the very day after Inauguration. You are becoming an undemocratic fascist mob, and don't realize it.

Net net, grow up, drop the fake outrage, and think how to win 2020.

Hint: you need to engage and persuade voters, not insult then or intimidate them.