Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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Anonymous wrote:Independent school’s bring in who they want. They aren’t getting scammed.

Yes. The only one scammed are middle income families subsidizing other middle income families through financial aid.

Nope, we all know what we are doing.

Well you know. But wouldnt hurt to say that financial aid is not really philanthropy. School are subsidizing well off families and excluding Low income families by design. Then somehow the image of inclusion that want to portray gets a bit tainted, right?

Inclusion is a strange concept. It normally doesn't "include" everyone by design. Take, for example, a huge corporation that advocates for a very inclusive environment. They won't hire uneducated people, yet they say they are inclusive. A school that is "inclusive" is similar- they include people who add to a rounded environment, designed and decided by themselves. Why do they have to "include" people that fall outside their own design?

You should add a footnote in your school brochure for inclusion : “we refer to inclusion as the capacity to include upper income class families that we like”

Why?
It already states what their mission and culture are. If you don't understand this from the published materials you don't deserve to be there.

Share a link so I can see it. Most schools are more in the camp of “fake inclusivity”. And your posts show that.

You cannot see that all of the definitions of diversity are slightly different. What make your personal view of how a school should be diverse matter more than their definition of diversity. It might be fake to you, but real to many others. You reek entitled and arrogant to believe your views are so much better than everyone elses.

I would be fine with any definition of diversity as long as it fully disclosed to parents that actually fund financial aid. When people donate money they want to know how their money is going to be spent. Nothing crazy or offensive about that. Not sure why my comments are affecting you so much.

Yes, nothing crazy or offensive in this particular post. If you donate to that cause, by all means ask those questions. If the answer is not satisfactory then don't donate. Does that response offend you?

I agree with you. That’s how it works in a free market economy. For some reason many parents are bothered if someone ask questions if the financial aid money is properly allocated.

Let me put it this way. There is a big problem with naming something financial aid when there is no aid to anyone to really needs the money.

The truth is that this is a price discrimination scheme where richer people pay more (tuition plus donation) and middle class people pay less (get some financial aid). That’s fine. I just find appalling that people call this a lot of things like financial aid or that it contributes to diversity, when in fact is an old scheme for monopolies to maximize revenue.

You might not like my interpretation but that’s ok. It’s just an opinion that someone can take or leave. Educated people don’t need to insult when they disagree.

Yep, valid interpretation. I still use the words "financial aid" and phrase "contribute to diversity" with the full understanding that the private school definitions might not be the same as the public school definitions.

That’s ok. Not very different from the ministries of truth and love in 1984. Very accurate labeling.

Not different than most charities:
World wildlife fund
Nature conservatory
Save the children
Opera and theater donations
Anything in go fund me

I think people have a problem that they think rich people need to subsidize poor ones. Unfortunately they (rich people) are the ones who used tax sheltered money to forward causes they believe in. I don't think it's too difficult to understand, but apparently it is.

I think financial aid in schools are worse than charities. Charities disclose which fraction of your money actually goes for helping people and which fraction goes to overhead costs. For instance one of the most efficient charities UNICEF has an overhead of 9 percent meaning for each dollar you donate the keep 9 cents for admin costs.

Financial aid offices do not disclose anything, so from a standpoint of integrity is not a good idea to put your money there. Unless of course you don’t mind the integrity part and you are fine with any opaque decision made by the financial aid office.

Seriously, it's transparent to those that donate exactly what they money is for. People support causes they believe in even though that makes you uncomfortable and green with envy.

Not really. People that pay full tuition would like to know if financial aid is given to families with similar income. Or if the money is given to families that really need it. Nothing controversial about that.

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Anonymous wrote:When donors contribute to financial aid campaigns they are showing trust in their chosen school community to make decisions that strengthen the whole community.

If OP's DC was not accepted into the school community of her choice, it's not because of how much aid they needed--it's because the school didn't see a value-add. If OP is already at a school and disagrees with how donations are used, then she should certainly use her feet to move to a school that aligns with her strong beliefs.

What OP is not allowed to do is enter a desired school community and harass others for their decisions that led to her desiring that community in the first place. We are talking about building and maintaining a community of voluntary members--attitudes and priorities may shift, but this is in no way a lesson in "effective altruism" nor should it be.

Well said.

Don’t worry. Nobody is taking your financial aid away.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

Not at all. Private schools and donors are doing exactly what they want to do.

Of course, since there is full disclosure everybody knows exactly how their donations are spent.

Clearly not everyone needs to know to accomplish the published mission of the school.

Speak for yourself. When I donate money I am interested to know how the money is used. If it’s no used appropriately I can donate my money to other causes. What is so outrageous about that?

Not everyone donates, so they don't need to know. If you donate, then ask for that information. Problem solved.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

Not at all. Private schools and donors are doing exactly what they want to do.

Of course, since there is full disclosure everybody knows exactly how their donations are spent.

Clearly not everyone needs to know to accomplish the published mission of the school.

Speak for yourself. When I donate money I am interested to know how the money is used. If it’s no used appropriately I can donate my money to other causes. What is so outrageous about that?

Not everyone donates, so they don't need to know. If you donate, then ask for that information. Problem solved.

In my kids school financial aid is allocated to upper middle class families that don’t really need it, so I am lucky to know that there is no need to donate.

But still, there is some off to have inclusion for BMW owners. Maybe it feels good to you.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Schools should allow teaches kids to go for free. Point is it should be targeted to low income.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Except that you don’t help middle class families that pay full tuition. I like your example though. It would be nice if school helped all the community and not some random middle class families.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Schools should allow teaches kids to go for free. Point is it should be targeted to low income.

Sounds reasonable to me, as long as the household income justifies free tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

I see no problem giving food to those that need just a little food when they are part of the community of the food bank. Sure they wouldn't starve without the food, but it makes their life a little easier. It's better to give some food to 20 people who need some, than give lots of food to 5 people. Especially, if those 20 are part of my community.

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Anonymous wrote:Independent school’s bring in who they want. They aren’t getting scammed.

Yes. The only one scammed are middle income families subsidizing other middle income families through financial aid.

Nope, we all know what we are doing.

Well you know. But wouldnt hurt to say that financial aid is not really philanthropy. School are subsidizing well off families and excluding Low income families by design. Then somehow the image of inclusion that want to portray gets a bit tainted, right?

Inclusion is a strange concept. It normally doesn't "include" everyone by design. Take, for example, a huge corporation that advocates for a very inclusive environment. They won't hire uneducated people, yet they say they are inclusive. A school that is "inclusive" is similar- they include people who add to a rounded environment, designed and decided by themselves. Why do they have to "include" people that fall outside their own design?

You should add a footnote in your school brochure for inclusion : “we refer to inclusion as the capacity to include upper income class families that we like”

Why?
It already states what their mission and culture are. If you don't understand this from the published materials you don't deserve to be there.

Share a link so I can see it. Most schools are more in the camp of “fake inclusivity”. And your posts show that.

You cannot see that all of the definitions of diversity are slightly different. What make your personal view of how a school should be diverse matter more than their definition of diversity. It might be fake to you, but real to many others. You reek entitled and arrogant to believe your views are so much better than everyone elses.

I would be fine with any definition of diversity as long as it fully disclosed to parents that actually fund financial aid. When people donate money they want to know how their money is going to be spent. Nothing crazy or offensive about that. Not sure why my comments are affecting you so much.

Yes, nothing crazy or offensive in this particular post. If you donate to that cause, by all means ask those questions. If the answer is not satisfactory then don't donate. Does that response offend you?

I agree with you. That’s how it works in a free market economy. For some reason many parents are bothered if someone ask questions if the financial aid money is properly allocated.

Let me put it this way. There is a big problem with naming something financial aid when there is no aid to anyone to really needs the money.

The truth is that this is a price discrimination scheme where richer people pay more (tuition plus donation) and middle class people pay less (get some financial aid). That’s fine. I just find appalling that people call this a lot of things like financial aid or that it contributes to diversity, when in fact is an old scheme for monopolies to maximize revenue.

You might not like my interpretation but that’s ok. It’s just an opinion that someone can take or leave. Educated people don’t need to insult when they disagree.

Yep, valid interpretation. I still use the words "financial aid" and phrase "contribute to diversity" with the full understanding that the private school definitions might not be the same as the public school definitions.

That’s ok. Not very different from the ministries of truth and love in 1984. Very accurate labeling.

Not different than most charities:
World wildlife fund
Nature conservatory
Save the children
Opera and theater donations
Anything in go fund me

I think people have a problem that they think rich people need to subsidize poor ones. Unfortunately they (rich people) are the ones who used tax sheltered money to forward causes they believe in. I don't think it's too difficult to understand, but apparently it is.

I think financial aid in schools are worse than charities. Charities disclose which fraction of your money actually goes for helping people and which fraction goes to overhead costs. For instance one of the most efficient charities UNICEF has an overhead of 9 percent meaning for each dollar you donate the keep 9 cents for admin costs.

Financial aid offices do not disclose anything, so from a standpoint of integrity is not a good idea to put your money there. Unless of course you don’t mind the integrity part and you are fine with any opaque decision made by the financial aid office.

Seriously, it's transparent to those that donate exactly what they money is for. People support causes they believe in even though that makes you uncomfortable and green with envy.

Not really. People that pay full tuition would like to know if financial aid is given to families with similar income. Or if the money is given to families that really need it. Nothing controversial about that.

Those people need to ask. They are already part of the community an could access that data with one question. Clearly you are not part of that community, but desperately want to subsidize your way in. The path to that is to get a recommendation from someone in the community and/or have an outstanding kid. Does that advice help you to have access to other people's money? Alternatively, you could just pay full freight and complain the second year when you can actually ask for this data from within the community when you actually donate to the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

I see no problem giving food to those that need just a little food when they are part of the community of the food bank. Sure they wouldn't starve without the food, but it makes their life a little easier. It's better to give some food to 20 people who need some, than give lots of food to 5 people. Especially, if those 20 are part of my community.

The question is if you have the food bank do you help the people that face hunger and do not have money to buy food, or do you give to those that can afford food?

My point is if you don’t give the food to those that can pay for it, they won’t suffer. They would appreciate if you are helping the ones that really need the help. Nothing very controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:Independent school’s bring in who they want. They aren’t getting scammed.

Yes. The only one scammed are middle income families subsidizing other middle income families through financial aid.

Nope, we all know what we are doing.

Well you know. But wouldnt hurt to say that financial aid is not really philanthropy. School are subsidizing well off families and excluding Low income families by design. Then somehow the image of inclusion that want to portray gets a bit tainted, right?

Inclusion is a strange concept. It normally doesn't "include" everyone by design. Take, for example, a huge corporation that advocates for a very inclusive environment. They won't hire uneducated people, yet they say they are inclusive. A school that is "inclusive" is similar- they include people who add to a rounded environment, designed and decided by themselves. Why do they have to "include" people that fall outside their own design?

You should add a footnote in your school brochure for inclusion : “we refer to inclusion as the capacity to include upper income class families that we like”

Why?
It already states what their mission and culture are. If you don't understand this from the published materials you don't deserve to be there.

Share a link so I can see it. Most schools are more in the camp of “fake inclusivity”. And your posts show that.

You cannot see that all of the definitions of diversity are slightly different. What make your personal view of how a school should be diverse matter more than their definition of diversity. It might be fake to you, but real to many others. You reek entitled and arrogant to believe your views are so much better than everyone elses.

I would be fine with any definition of diversity as long as it fully disclosed to parents that actually fund financial aid. When people donate money they want to know how their money is going to be spent. Nothing crazy or offensive about that. Not sure why my comments are affecting you so much.

Yes, nothing crazy or offensive in this particular post. If you donate to that cause, by all means ask those questions. If the answer is not satisfactory then don't donate. Does that response offend you?

I agree with you. That’s how it works in a free market economy. For some reason many parents are bothered if someone ask questions if the financial aid money is properly allocated.

Let me put it this way. There is a big problem with naming something financial aid when there is no aid to anyone to really needs the money.

The truth is that this is a price discrimination scheme where richer people pay more (tuition plus donation) and middle class people pay less (get some financial aid). That’s fine. I just find appalling that people call this a lot of things like financial aid or that it contributes to diversity, when in fact is an old scheme for monopolies to maximize revenue.

You might not like my interpretation but that’s ok. It’s just an opinion that someone can take or leave. Educated people don’t need to insult when they disagree.

Yep, valid interpretation. I still use the words "financial aid" and phrase "contribute to diversity" with the full understanding that the private school definitions might not be the same as the public school definitions.

That’s ok. Not very different from the ministries of truth and love in 1984. Very accurate labeling.

Not different than most charities:
World wildlife fund
Nature conservatory
Save the children
Opera and theater donations
Anything in go fund me

I think people have a problem that they think rich people need to subsidize poor ones. Unfortunately they (rich people) are the ones who used tax sheltered money to forward causes they believe in. I don't think it's too difficult to understand, but apparently it is.

I think financial aid in schools are worse than charities. Charities disclose which fraction of your money actually goes for helping people and which fraction goes to overhead costs. For instance one of the most efficient charities UNICEF has an overhead of 9 percent meaning for each dollar you donate the keep 9 cents for admin costs.

Financial aid offices do not disclose anything, so from a standpoint of integrity is not a good idea to put your money there. Unless of course you don’t mind the integrity part and you are fine with any opaque decision made by the financial aid office.

Seriously, it's transparent to those that donate exactly what they money is for. People support causes they believe in even though that makes you uncomfortable and green with envy.

Not really. People that pay full tuition would like to know if financial aid is given to families with similar income. Or if the money is given to families that really need it. Nothing controversial about that.

Those people need to ask. They are already part of the community a could access that data with one question. Clearly you are not part of that community, but desperately want to subsidize your way in. The path to that is to get a recommendation from someone in the community and/or have an outstanding kid. Does that advice help you to have access to other people's money? Alternatively, you could just pay full freight and complain the second year when you can actually ask for this data from within the community when you actually donate to the school.

Not interested in financial aid. More interested in full disclosure on how arbitrary is the process for providing financial aid.

I like more the system from Harvard. For a target income you receive full tuition. Very transparent and nobody needs to guess anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Independent school’s bring in who they want. They aren’t getting scammed.

Yes. The only one scammed are middle income families subsidizing other middle income families through financial aid.

Nope, we all know what we are doing.

Well you know. But wouldnt hurt to say that financial aid is not really philanthropy. School are subsidizing well off families and excluding Low income families by design. Then somehow the image of inclusion that want to portray gets a bit tainted, right?

Inclusion is a strange concept. It normally doesn't "include" everyone by design. Take, for example, a huge corporation that advocates for a very inclusive environment. They won't hire uneducated people, yet they say they are inclusive. A school that is "inclusive" is similar- they include people who add to a rounded environment, designed and decided by themselves. Why do they have to "include" people that fall outside their own design?

You should add a footnote in your school brochure for inclusion : “we refer to inclusion as the capacity to include upper income class families that we like”

Why?
It already states what their mission and culture are. If you don't understand this from the published materials you don't deserve to be there.

Share a link so I can see it. Most schools are more in the camp of “fake inclusivity”. And your posts show that.

You cannot see that all of the definitions of diversity are slightly different. What make your personal view of how a school should be diverse matter more than their definition of diversity. It might be fake to you, but real to many others. You reek entitled and arrogant to believe your views are so much better than everyone elses.

I would be fine with any definition of diversity as long as it fully disclosed to parents that actually fund financial aid. When people donate money they want to know how their money is going to be spent. Nothing crazy or offensive about that. Not sure why my comments are affecting you so much.

Yes, nothing crazy or offensive in this particular post. If you donate to that cause, by all means ask those questions. If the answer is not satisfactory then don't donate. Does that response offend you?

I agree with you. That’s how it works in a free market economy. For some reason many parents are bothered if someone ask questions if the financial aid money is properly allocated.

Let me put it this way. There is a big problem with naming something financial aid when there is no aid to anyone to really needs the money.

The truth is that this is a price discrimination scheme where richer people pay more (tuition plus donation) and middle class people pay less (get some financial aid). That’s fine. I just find appalling that people call this a lot of things like financial aid or that it contributes to diversity, when in fact is an old scheme for monopolies to maximize revenue.

You might not like my interpretation but that’s ok. It’s just an opinion that someone can take or leave. Educated people don’t need to insult when they disagree.

Yep, valid interpretation. I still use the words "financial aid" and phrase "contribute to diversity" with the full understanding that the private school definitions might not be the same as the public school definitions.

That’s ok. Not very different from the ministries of truth and love in 1984. Very accurate labeling.

Not different than most charities:
World wildlife fund
Nature conservatory
Save the children
Opera and theater donations
Anything in go fund me

I think people have a problem that they think rich people need to subsidize poor ones. Unfortunately they (rich people) are the ones who used tax sheltered money to forward causes they believe in. I don't think it's too difficult to understand, but apparently it is.

I think financial aid in schools are worse than charities. Charities disclose which fraction of your money actually goes for helping people and which fraction goes to overhead costs. For instance one of the most efficient charities UNICEF has an overhead of 9 percent meaning for each dollar you donate the keep 9 cents for admin costs.

Financial aid offices do not disclose anything, so from a standpoint of integrity is not a good idea to put your money there. Unless of course you don’t mind the integrity part and you are fine with any opaque decision made by the financial aid office.

Seriously, it's transparent to those that donate exactly what they money is for. People support causes they believe in even though that makes you uncomfortable and green with envy.

If you give to a named scholarship, award, building fund etc this is generally true. If you give to a named fund you know pretty specifically WHAT it’s going towards though usually not WHO receives it. But otherwise donors have no idea. Landon for example financial aid is lumped into the Landon Fund which is essentially a catch all for donations - from the website- academics, arts, athletics, faculty development, financial aid, or campus and facilities. So no one who donates to that knows anything beyond that. It’s not an annual fund anymore it’s literally a catch all that can go to any of those things listed.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

I see no problem giving food to those that need just a little food when they are part of the community of the food bank. Sure they wouldn't starve without the food, but it makes their life a little easier. It's better to give some food to 20 people who need some, than give lots of food to 5 people. Especially, if those 20 are part of my community.

The question is if you have the food bank do you help the people that face hunger and do not have money to buy food, or do you give to those that can afford food?

My point is if you don’t give the food to those that can pay for it, they won’t suffer. They would appreciate if you are helping the ones that really need the help. Nothing very controversial.

The controversy is that the 20 people in my example need some food to stay healthy. They are needy. Yes, they can afford some food, but not enough food. And ,yes, I'd rather they have the food than 5 truly needy people who can afford no food. Why? They are my community. I wouldn't be able to look them in the eye and say 'I can help you but I don't think you're needy enough'. I wouldn't do that to anyone struggling that I know. I'd help them. If I don't know you, I personally care a lot less about you.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Schools should allow teaches kids to go for free. Point is it should be targeted to low income.

Sounds reasonable to me, as long as the household income justifies free tuition.

Why? I get perks and bonuses at work. Shouldn't teachers?