USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:This country is turning into a totalitarian mess. Protesting peacefully is a right

Being on private property and refusing to leave is not protesting, it is trespassing.

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Students were there legally and a protest is legal
Trespassing has a different legal definition

Any bets on how much NYC will pay out in settlements for illegal or violent arrests?

Lol. $0

Depends on whether or not they arrested any Jewish students with Jewish daddy lawyers in a district run by jewish judges ... or not...

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Anonymous wrote:This country is turning into a totalitarian mess. Protesting peacefully is a right

Being on private property and refusing to leave is not protesting, it is trespassing.

No
Students were there legally and a protest is legal
Trespassing has a different legal definition

Any bets on how much NYC will pay out in settlements for illegal or violent arrests?

Lol. $0

Depends on whether or not they arrested any Jewish students with Jewish daddy lawyers in a district run by jewish judges ... or not...

We all know how this works as we saw what happened with Epstein the first time around...

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

ISRAEL refused the most recent ceasefire call by the UN, not Hamas.

That is irrelevant. The fighting can stop today, just means it wouldn't be on Palestinians/Hamas' terms. If you truly cared about the deaths this would be suitable for you.

Don't be stupid! Hamas' surrender would mean nothing to Israel - even an idiot knows that. Israel will not stop until the West Bank and Gaza are cleansed of Palestinians. It was always the Zionist view that Arabs would be expelled from the land in order to usher in the Jewish state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country is turning into a totalitarian mess. Protesting peacefully is a right

Being on private property and refusing to leave is not protesting, it is trespassing.

No
Students were there legally and a protest is legal
Trespassing has a different legal definition

Any bets on how much NYC will pay out in settlements for illegal or violent arrests?

Lol. $0

lol you are ignorant

https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-07-21/317158/george-floyd-protesters-reach-over-13-million-payout-with-nyc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years. Ok

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

ISRAEL refused the most recent ceasefire call by the UN, not Hamas.

That is irrelevant. The fighting can stop today, just means it wouldn't be on Palestinians/Hamas' terms. If you truly cared about the deaths this would be suitable for you.

Don't be stupid! Hamas' surrender would mean nothing to Israel - even an idiot knows that. Israel will not stop until the West Bank and Gaza are cleansed of Palestinians. It was always the Zionist view that Arabs would be expelled from the land in order to usher in the Jewish state.

That was the plan 70 years ago. Israel’s bloodlust has increased to include Lebanon, parts of Syria and Jordan. A complete destruction of Iran and vassalized Saudis.

[Anonymous]

The pro-Israel groups planning to spend millions in US elections
A handful of groups, led by Aipac, have been a powerful force in American politics – but has Israel’s war in Gaza changed the equation?
A handful of pro-Israel groups fund political campaigns in support of individual candidates in US elections, led by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), a powerful force in American politics. Before the 2024 election, Aipac plans to spend tens of millions of dollars against congressional candidates, primarily Democrats, whom it deems insufficiently supportive of Israel.

Aipac and other pro-Israel lobby groups have recruited and supported challengers to a number of lawmakers and candidates – most notably members of the Squad, the group of progressive representatives who are particularly vocal in their criticism of Israel’s offensive in Gaza.

The 2024 election will be bellwether of the enduring impact of these groups on US politics amid shifting US public opinion on Israel.

What is Aipac?
Aipac has its roots in the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs, which was founded by a lobbyist for the Israeli government in an attempt to manage the political fallout the Israeli army’s 1953 massacre of dozens of Palestinians, most of them children and women, in the West Bank village of Qibya.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections

Talk about blood money!

[Anonymous]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with protesting against the Netanyahu government and their response to the atrocities committed by Hamas on 10/7. Israelis have been protesting their government for more than a year for all sorts of reasons. If elections were held today, he'd be gone. There's also nothing wrong with being appalled by the fanatical settlers in the West Bank. Not a problem.

What is a problem is the students equating Hamas with some kind of legitimate resistance movement. You see it in this thread with people equating Hamas with Mandela and the ANC. What is a problem is students supporting terrorism with their chants of "Hamas we love you - We support your rockets too" and wishing for 10/7s every single day. What is a problem is assigning collective guilt on fellow American students simply for their faith, as if 18 year old Rachel from Milwaukee studying communications at Columbia is somehow responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East.

Progressives at Columbia and other schools have clearly lost the plot. Their support of terrorists and their hatred of others simply for their faith is a problem. And universities are right to suspend and expel those students. Hopefully more schools will follow Vanderbilt's example and take disciplinary action against the students that cross all the lines.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

ISRAEL refused the most recent ceasefire call by the UN, not Hamas.

That is irrelevant. The fighting can stop today, just means it wouldn't be on Palestinians/Hamas' terms. If you truly cared about the deaths this would be suitable for you.

Don't be stupid! Hamas' surrender would mean nothing to Israel - even an idiot knows that. Israel will not stop until the West Bank and Gaza are cleansed of Palestinians. It was always the Zionist view that Arabs would be expelled from the land in order to usher in the Jewish state.

So what exactly do you think is going to happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely nothing wrong with protesting against the Netanyahu government and their response to the atrocities committed by Hamas on 10/7. Israelis have been protesting their government for more than a year for all sorts of reasons. If elections were held today, he'd be gone. There's also nothing wrong with being appalled by the fanatical settlers in the West Bank. Not a problem.

What is a problem is the students equating Hamas with some kind of legitimate resistance movement. You see it in this thread with people equating Hamas with Mandela and the ANC. What is a problem is students supporting terrorism with their chants of "Hamas we love you - We support your rockets too" and wishing for 10/7s every single day. What is a problem is assigning collective guilt on fellow American students simply for their faith, as if 18 year old Rachel from Milwaukee studying communications at Columbia is somehow responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East.

Progressives at Columbia and other schools have clearly lost the plot. Their support of terrorists and their hatred of others simply for their faith is a problem. And universities are right to suspend and expel those students. Hopefully more schools will follow Vanderbilt's example and take disciplinary action against the students that cross all the lines.

Sounds like you’re OK with protests lite in support of resistance lite.

The students have every right to view Israel as engaged in repression, terrorism and genocide, and if Rachel from Milwaukee wants to champion her support for Israel and the IDF to let her know that they view her as aiding and abetting all of the above. If Rachel finds that makes her “uncomfortable,” so be it. College campuses should not simply exist as locations where the views of students, or one group of students, go unchallenged.

That is, of course, entirely distinct from Rachel expressing pride in her religion, whatever it may happen to be, as opposed to support for the actions of one nation-state.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a distinct vibe emerging in these posts that a cross-section of the voices here believe that anti-semitism is not only "a bigger problem" than Islamophobia and other forms of discrimination, but it's actually worse than the actual killing of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

It's not. It's not even in the same universe as taking even one innocent life. Inconvenience or feeling comfortable for even unsafe isn't the same as the taking of someone's life.

Wanna know who's inconvenienced and doesn't feel safe? Palestinians. People whose land, existence and future was stolen from them over the course of the last 100 years.

Anti-semitism isn't a "special" evil that is any worse than any other form of bigotry. If you disagree, your views are irrelevant to the prospect of moving this discussion forward.

Some of us don't care if Palestinians have their own country or not. The pretense of your post is that their having a country is something that we all MUST agree with, and that is not true. Israel doesn't HAVE to exist. No country has to exist. But I am not going to seek the downfall of a country or support those who seek a downfall of a democratic country. You can protest and cause inconvenience and scream scream scream all you want, you will not change the minds of people who feel the way I do.

You only feel that way 'cause you already got "yours". You understand that, right? You wouldn't have felt so indifferent to national aspirations 80 years ago, right?

Couple points:
I think you assume I am Jewish--I am not. My ancestors arrived to the U.S. in a hull of a ship in the 1700s to South Carolina to work in rice fields.

But anyways, your whole argument is that some people have what you want and that is not right. That is not how things work, you are coming from a place of jealousy. Lands are won by treaties, agreements, wars, etc, all sorts of things, someone is always the winner and someone will lose. It is not my concern that Arabs have not been able to win their wars against Israel over the last 80 years. I will not fight your war for you, no matter how sad and angry you are. I don't care. I will say it twice. I don't care.

You realize that the US is spending billions and billions of dollars to kill Palestinians, right? Your tax dollars hard at work.

War could stop TODAY if Hamas surrenders. No more war deaths.

The genocide will continue until morale improves. This “war will end” talking point is so embarrassingly ignorant, it’s not even funny at this point.

Yes, you and your "Israel must suicide itself to satisfy us" cronies keep saying the same thing

Israel's land area is now what? 80% more than it was at inception? Some "suiciding" of itself!

[Anonymous]

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MSNBC is pro-Israel central. It's as biased as Faux News.

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MSNBC is pro-Israel central. It's as biased as Faux News.

Listen to what Joe has to say in the video. He has a point.
There has been *true* genocide all over the globe for years and none of these entitled brats who are "protesting" lifted an eyebrow at it.
But, if it is Israel defending itself.... goodness, we can't have that!!!!

[Anonymous]

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The difference is that the US is bankrolling Israel.
And BTW the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and our war on Iraq are nothing to gloat about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely nothing wrong with protesting against the Netanyahu government and their response to the atrocities committed by Hamas on 10/7. Israelis have been protesting their government for more than a year for all sorts of reasons. If elections were held today, he'd be gone. There's also nothing wrong with being appalled by the fanatical settlers in the West Bank. Not a problem.

What is a problem is the students equating Hamas with some kind of legitimate resistance movement. You see it in this thread with people equating Hamas with Mandela and the ANC. What is a problem is students supporting terrorism with their chants of "Hamas we love you - We support your rockets too" and wishing for 10/7s every single day. What is a problem is assigning collective guilt on fellow American students simply for their faith, as if 18 year old Rachel from Milwaukee studying communications at Columbia is somehow responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East.

Progressives at Columbia and other schools have clearly lost the plot. Their support of terrorists and their hatred of others simply for their faith is a problem. And universities are right to suspend and expel those students. Hopefully more schools will follow Vanderbilt's example and take disciplinary action against the students that cross all the lines.

The student protesters at Columbia are bright, articulate and composed. It's a joy to watch their emotional maturity and discipline around messaging, as they navigate middle aged rabid Zionist agitators and plutocrats in power. They are not the mob, they are the future intelligentsia that shapes public opinion.