Prince Harry’s book

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

Certainly not. TBS, admitting someone made a mistake or accepting responsibility for misunderstandings is not throwing your wife under the bus - its being authentic and human. He describes her in a light that seems like he's full of BS or blinded. He was so authentic in the rest of the book, which is why it struck me as so odd.

He is blinded. That is William's issue with them.

It’s his wife! That’s who he is riding with now. Not his brother or father, who by the way, have happily screwed Harry over for their wives and in the name of the Crown, for years. Anyway, of course he is blinded. As he should be. All of you all who think they makes sense for him to lay out her mistakes in book and “accept responsibility” can’t be married.

Thats not quite what I meant - here's an example... when William pushed harry into the dog bowl and Meg finally found out about it he said she didn't even get mad, just sad. That's a load of crap. I'd be pissed as hell. I don't believe the way he characterizes her at all.

Yes, Meghan never seems to have an inappropriate emotional reaction or say anything wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't quite get the argument that everything that has been in the press that isn't positive was made up by the press.

Sure trash tabloids make things up. But in the says after the Spanish book release, there were countless journalists who actually had their hands on copies of the book and reported similar stories. It would have had to be a massive coordinated effort for all journalists during that time period to agree and come up with all the fake stories and fake quotes. Jounralists like a scoop, why would they agree to wait until other agencies created a fake story when they had a copy of the book?

For example, the conversation between Kate and Meghan about the dresses. If that was just made up by the press and wasn't in the book, there would have been some journos refuse to pretend to read a fake story from the book just to stick to the party line. There just isn't that kind of mass collaboration and camaraderie across all press sources for it all to have been an orchestrated fake campaign.

If you’d read the book or paid any attention you’d know that the bigger issue isn’t about things in the press being false it’s about the Royal sources feeding negative stories to the press and then pretending they are above reproach. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. But more often it’s the spin that’s out on out the lack of context.

That is Harry's belief and issue. And there is no way prove or disprove. I do not believe Charles would leak bad things about his kids. That is ridiculous and paranoia fed by Meghan, who WAS doing her fair share (and more) of story planting since 2016.

DP. You don’t seem to understand what a memoir is. A memoir isn’t just a dry recitation of events with citations to outside evidence. A memoir is meant to be about the person’s experience of those events, their emotions, etc.

I know what a memoir is. That is my point. He is wrong about a lot of it because of his victim mentality and paranoia fed by his wife.

And yet you can provide zero evidence to support that because you have not read the book. Vague rhetoric is not a substantive argument.

I have read plenty outside of the book and also observed with my own eyes.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why you cannot have a rational discussion with irrational people. The PP is koo-koo.

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Anonymous wrote:I deployed twice to Iraq, including one tour supporting SOF. No one talks about their kill count, unless they want to be viewed as a psychopath.

What I found even more disturbing was when Harry referred to enemy combatants as “chess pieces”. I disagree with any attempt to equate acts of war with game playing. It denies the cold, dark truth of war. War destroys human lives. I understand a soldier wanting to separate himself from that truth in the moment, but after so many years away from the battle field, I would hope he would have the maturity by now to see how his mindset was wrong.

Try reading the book before commenting on something that is not really in disagreement.

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Anonymous wrote:5. I thought he showed quite a lack of empathy to his brother. Like, could he really not understand the reaction to the wedding beard? It's so important to Harry but silly for William to be jealous of the same thing? There were so many scenes like this scattered throughout the book - Harry's emotions are proper and well contextualized but he failed to allow the other's emotions and humanity.

This is astute. I think this lack of empathy and myopic thinking reflects immature emotional development (which I don't really 'blame' him for) and is what is leading him to make some poor choices when it comes to his family and other public actions/words.

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Also no concern over his niece Charlotte when she cried over the dress at age 3. No it was all about Meghan!

You mean when Meghan told Kate repeatedly the tailor was already there and waiting to alter the dress and Kate was demanding it be fully remade four days before the wedding?

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

But Harry also writes in a way that shows he is looking for a fighting, looking for his family's disapproval. He took his father's request not to bring Meghan to visit the Queen during her last days as personal "Don't bring her." But in reality, Charles was saying that no wives were attending.

Didn't William wait for Harry and thus missed his opportunity to see his grandmother for the last time? Also, he could admit Meghan's mistakes ( as well as his own) without throwing her under the bus. We are all human but, he doesn't see his relatives as such.

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Anonymous wrote:5. I thought he showed quite a lack of empathy to his brother. Like, could he really not understand the reaction to the wedding beard? It's so important to Harry but silly for William to be jealous of the same thing? There were so many scenes like this scattered throughout the book - Harry's emotions are proper and well contextualized but he failed to allow the other's emotions and humanity.

This is astute. I think this lack of empathy and myopic thinking reflects immature emotional development (which I don't really 'blame' him for) and is what is leading him to make some poor choices when it comes to his family and other public actions/words.

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Also no concern over his niece Charlotte when she cried over the dress at age 3. No it was all about Meghan!

You mean when Meghan told Kate repeatedly the tailor was already there and waiting to alter the dress and Kate was demanding it be fully remade four days before the wedding?

But did she ever express sadness that Charlotte cried? Or was it all business...perhaps a little sympathy for a three year old wouldn't be that difficult!

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Anonymous wrote:5. I thought he showed quite a lack of empathy to his brother. Like, could he really not understand the reaction to the wedding beard? It's so important to Harry but silly for William to be jealous of the same thing? There were so many scenes like this scattered throughout the book - Harry's emotions are proper and well contextualized but he failed to allow the other's emotions and humanity.

This is astute. I think this lack of empathy and myopic thinking reflects immature emotional development (which I don't really 'blame' him for) and is what is leading him to make some poor choices when it comes to his family and other public actions/words.

+1

Also no concern over his niece Charlotte when she cried over the dress at age 3. No it was all about Meghan!

You mean when Meghan told Kate repeatedly the tailor was already there and waiting to alter the dress and Kate was demanding it be fully remade four days before the wedding?

Something felt very off in that retelling. Harry was (presumably) not part of the phone call but he seems certain that the sister in law who described so fondly would act so irrationally. It's like the lip gloss and hormones thing. Maybe Meghan overstepped but in the telling it's Kate (or is it Cate?) that was in the wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:5. I thought he showed quite a lack of empathy to his brother. Like, could he really not understand the reaction to the wedding beard? It's so important to Harry but silly for William to be jealous of the same thing? There were so many scenes like this scattered throughout the book - Harry's emotions are proper and well contextualized but he failed to allow the other's emotions and humanity.

This is astute. I think this lack of empathy and myopic thinking reflects immature emotional development (which I don't really 'blame' him for) and is what is leading him to make some poor choices when it comes to his family and other public actions/words.

+1

Also no concern over his niece Charlotte when she cried over the dress at age 3. No it was all about Meghan!

You mean when Meghan told Kate repeatedly the tailor was already there and waiting to alter the dress and Kate was demanding it be fully remade four days before the wedding?

But did she ever express sadness that Charlotte cried? Or was it all business...perhaps a little sympathy for a three year old wouldn't be that difficult!

The American wasn't being emotional enough for the Brit? What?

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

But Harry also writes in a way that shows he is looking for a fighting, looking for his family's disapproval. He took his father's request not to bring Meghan to visit the Queen during her last days as personal "Don't bring her." But in reality, Charles was saying that no wives were attending.

Didn't William wait for Harry and thus missed his opportunity to see his grandmother for the last time? Also, he could admit Meghan's mistakes ( as well as his own) without throwing her under the bus. We are all human but, he doesn't see his relatives as such.

That last part of the book where William said that he loved Harry "on mummy" (I can't remember the exact turn of phrase) and Harry rejected really did me in. I am not a fan of William (who is likely petulant) or the monarchy, but that was just a terrible way for close family to react to bid of love.

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Anonymous wrote:5. I thought he showed quite a lack of empathy to his brother. Like, could he really not understand the reaction to the wedding beard? It's so important to Harry but silly for William to be jealous of the same thing? There were so many scenes like this scattered throughout the book - Harry's emotions are proper and well contextualized but he failed to allow the other's emotions and humanity.

This is astute. I think this lack of empathy and myopic thinking reflects immature emotional development (which I don't really 'blame' him for) and is what is leading him to make some poor choices when it comes to his family and other public actions/words.

+1

Also no concern over his niece Charlotte when she cried over the dress at age 3. No it was all about Meghan!

You mean when Meghan told Kate repeatedly the tailor was already there and waiting to alter the dress and Kate was demanding it be fully remade four days before the wedding?

But did she ever express sadness that Charlotte cried? Or was it all business...perhaps a little sympathy for a three year old wouldn't be that difficult!

The American wasn't being emotional enough for the Brit? What?

I don't understand what you have written. It wasn't being "emotional" it was being emotionally attuned when you are the wife of a guy who spent hundreds of pages complaining about his lack of emotional connection with his family.

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

But Harry also writes in a way that shows he is looking for a fighting, looking for his family's disapproval. He took his father's request not to bring Meghan to visit the Queen during her last days as personal "Don't bring her." But in reality, Charles was saying that no wives were attending.

Didn't William wait for Harry and thus missed his opportunity to see his grandmother for the last time? Also, he could admit Meghan's mistakes ( as well as his own) without throwing her under the bus. We are all human but, he doesn't see his relatives as such.

No, William and the others did NOT wait for Harry. They flew off to Balmoral in a private (or Royal) plane — with empty seats — leaving it to Harry to arrange his own transportation. The Queen died before any of them got there.

Would you like me to search out the relevant passages in the book for you?

As I understand it, it’s Harry’s own memoir. In it he describes his interactions with others — including Meghan. Readers can draw their own conclusions. It’s funny that you’d like Harry to “admit Meghan’s mistakes” — without also acknowledging that if he were on a roll, there are quite a few mistakes that he could admit about his family, from his raging older brother to his adulterous father and his father’s wife. I think Harry’s goal is both laudable and well executed. I’d also love to read the 400 pages and the ghostwriter’s notes that they decided not to publish— probably for many extremely good reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

But Harry also writes in a way that shows he is looking for a fighting, looking for his family's disapproval. He took his father's request not to bring Meghan to visit the Queen during her last days as personal "Don't bring her." But in reality, Charles was saying that no wives were attending.

Although if you read Harry’s book — or any other mainstream reputable sources — you’ll find out that your last comment isn’t, in fact, the case. Kate was not there. If it matters enough to you, check to see where the other wives / spouses were. Now it may not have been “personal” if the goal was to support Kate’s (very good IMO) reason for not being there, but I think there were probably multiple goals with that move.

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One question that keeps coming up is why did he include the kill count? I went back to that passage and one quote in particular stuck out:” but in the age of Apaches and laptops, everything I did over the course of two deployments was recorded, time-stamped.” He’s letting the reader know that not only did he kill people, but there’s military records proving it. He’s likely well aware of the rumors and false media reports that he maybe never left base while deployed. He’s essentially saying, yes I did kill people (25 to be exact) and there’s time stamped record of it (so don’t challenge me).

It’s unfortunate he put himself, his family, and military members overseas at an increased security risk to settle yet another score with the media. Settling scores seems to be the central theme of this book so I’m not surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:One question that keeps coming up is why did he include the kill count? I went back to that passage and one quote in particular stuck out:” but in the age of Apaches and laptops, everything I did over the course of two deployments was recorded, time-stamped.” He’s letting the reader know that not only did he kill people, but there’s military records proving it. He’s likely well aware of the rumors and false media reports that he maybe never left base while deployed. He’s essentially saying, yes I did kill people (25 to be exact) and there’s time stamped record of it (so don’t challenge me).

It’s unfortunate he put himself, his family, and military members overseas at an increased security risk to settle yet another score with the media. Settling scores seems to be the central theme of this book so I’m not surprised.

It’s interesting that you jump to “settling scores” as a motive. That’s very different from my own impressions. As to the “number”, in his interview with Colbert, he’s asked about that very directly. I’m incredibly impressed by Harry’s response. I’m not from a military background, so I’m sure that influences my impressions.

Here’s a link to the interview, or you can find it in multiple places. I think Colbert asks the question pretty early in the interview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6l0ObY2XVM

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Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this book, some good tea and good insights into how the royal family works. I went in not being on team harry or team anyone else. But what has struck me is how much Harry puts Megan on a pedestal. She never made one mistake, she was like mother freaking theresa. It was always everyone else's fault. Its like he is projecting the image people had of Diana on Megan. I hope he continues therapy because this is not sure to end well.

Megan is his wife. Why would you expect him to throw her under the bus for his family who in his opinion, threw him under the bus? You want him to be on the outs with everybody in his life? He's already chosen a side.

But Harry also writes in a way that shows he is looking for a fighting, looking for his family's disapproval. He took his father's request not to bring Meghan to visit the Queen during her last days as personal "Don't bring her." But in reality, Charles was saying that no wives were attending.

Although if you read Harry’s book — or any other mainstream reputable sources — you’ll find out that your last comment isn’t, in fact, the case. Kate was not there. If it matters enough to you, check to see where the other wives / spouses were. Now it may not have been “personal” if the goal was to support Kate’s (very good IMO) reason for not being there, but I think there were probably multiple goals with that move.

I am sorry if I wrote that poorly. I said Charles said no wives were going. I took that at face value that no wives went because we can be sure Harry would have told us if wives actually went. Not everyone should go to someone's dying bedside. I did not see anything personal against Meghan in the request. But Harry wrote it in a way to sound personal. That's what I meant. As for "multiple goals" I have no idea what that means but not everyone belongs at such personal moments.