How did Herndon/Westfield HS go from top to bottom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

I'm saying context matters. You made a very broad statement.

If you want to talk about current FCPS spending, most of us know FCPS spends considerably more per student on schools with more low-income students (which in FCPS usually means schools with fewer, not more, White kids). And they spend the least on the schools with the most White and Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

^ also Lewis (one of the other legacy high schools built in the mid to late 1950s).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

Interesting. So the overhauled Falls Church will solve the overcrowding at McLean HS. The neighborhoods adjacent to Lee Hwy and the City of Falls Church would likely be sent to Falls Church. Then there would be no need for an addition at McLean. But how would that help demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

I'm saying context matters. You made a very broad statement.

If you want to talk about current FCPS spending, most of us know FCPS spends considerably more per student on schools with more low-income students (which in FCPS usually means schools with fewer, not more, White kids). And they spend the least on the schools with the most White and Asian kids.

I remember watching a doc in which an older black interviewee talked about their high school suddenly getting the parking lot paved and other upgrades to the facility. The local government was trying to prevent the laws being changed.

The laws were changed and children can not be turned away from registration due to color (or religion and national origin etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

Interesting. So the overhauled Falls Church will solve the overcrowding at McLean HS. The neighborhoods adjacent to Lee Hwy and the City of Falls Church would likely be sent to Falls Church. Then there would be no need for an addition at McLean. But how would that help demographics.

What do you mean by "help demographics"?

[Anonymous]

First of all, it is beyond insulting that the some are comparing the creation of a school whose immediate borders so happen to majority poor and Hispanic, with the deliberate policies of redlining/segregationist housing that forced African Americans to live in specific areas. African Americans didn't have a CHOICE where they could live, whereas the Hispanics do. No one has forced a single Hispanic to live all together in Dogwood/Hutchison/Herndon area. An African American man before the 1960's and before could only live in one section in a city even if one didn't like that certain area and could afford otherwise, whereas everyone today has the freedom to live wherever they please.

LOL to anyone who thinks the School Board is going to care one bit of creating a supermajority FARMS school. Why is it that Keys Gamarra talks so much about racial equity but sent her kids to the whitest school in the county? Why did Karen Sanders spend tens of millions @ West Potomac to increase capacity for the Waynewood kids when Mount Vernon has plenty of empty space? Why has Tholen shot down every attempt to diversity Langley?

These individuals won't care about any cries accusing them of being a hypocrite or the negative publicity as long as the 'core' constituents are happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First of all, it is beyond insulting that the some are comparing the creation of a school whose immediate borders so happen to majority poor and Hispanic, with the deliberate policies of redlining/segregationist housing that forced African Americans to live in specific areas. African Americans didn't have a CHOICE where they could live, whereas the Hispanics do. No one has forced a single Hispanic to live all together in Dogwood/Hutchison/Herndon area. An African American man before the 1960's and before could only live in one section in a city even if one didn't like that certain area and could afford otherwise, whereas everyone today has the freedom to live wherever they please.

LOL to anyone who thinks the School Board is going to care one bit of creating a supermajority FARMS school. Why is it that Keys Gamarra talks so much about racial equity but sent her kids to the whitest school in the county? Why did Karen Sanders spend tens of millions @ West Potomac to increase capacity for the Waynewood kids when Mount Vernon has plenty of empty space? Why has Tholen shot down every attempt to diversity Langley?

These individuals won't care about any cries accusing them of being a hypocrite or the negative publicity as long as the 'core' constituents are happy.

Two reactions:

1. You can feign all the outrage you want (because we all know very well by now that your only interest is not being redistricted to a school that has a large Hispanic enrollment, even if it's still plurality Asian), but there's a reason why the concepts of "de jure" and "de facto" segregation are routinely used with the understanding that, in some instances, de facto segregation can be just as pernicious as de jure segregation. FCPS used to have de jure segregation, and no longer does, but it does have de facto segregation due to a combination of historic zoning, geography, and decisions made by prior and current School Boards.

2. You are right that the likes of Keys Gamarra (who sent her own kids to Madison), Corbett Sanders (who has done everything she could to make sure West Potomac kids don't have to attend under-enrolled Mount Vernon), and Tholen (who reversed a "pro-equity" staff recommendation that would have added some apartments to 2% FARMS Langley for the first time) are hypocrites who pay lip service to "equity" while perpetuating their own privileges. However, these old women may not still be School Board members if/when FCPS gets around to building another school. Their successors, who may actually believe the things that Keys Gamarra, Corbett Sanders and Tholen pretend to believe, are likely to oppose concentrating poverty in a new high school - and indeed even the current School Board members may be sensitive enough to the optics to avoid doing it if they were making the decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

Interesting. So the overhauled Falls Church will solve the overcrowding at McLean HS. The neighborhoods adjacent to Lee Hwy and the City of Falls Church would likely be sent to Falls Church. Then there would be no need for an addition at McLean. But how would that help demographics.

What do you mean by "help demographics"?

The low income apartments would then go to the renovated and enlarged Falls Church High School instead of McLean. I suppose it's debatable if that is a positive or negative outcome for the demographics between schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing says “white supremacy” more loudly than “every school needs a certain percentage of white children to be good.”

Not necessarily. If you have a school system runs by whites primarily for the benefit of white children, then having white kids in your school may be necessary to ensure it gets appropriate resources and attention.

There was a reason why “separate but equal” was invalidated. The NAACP didn’t challenge it because they thought White children were superior. They challenged it because they knew Black schools were inferior.

So you need the racist white government which is against poc to make racist white peoples go to school with poc so the racist white peoples will be forced to give poc the same quality. Makes sense, especially these days.

It should be easy enough in Fairfax county with our internet and smart phones to find out where the school board and gatehouse are failing to spend as much per pupil and to provide the “not white enough” schools with the same maintenance, infrastructure etc. as the “white enough to care about” schools.

Falls Church HS is finally getting completely renovated for the first time ever (since the school moved to its current location into a repurposed junior high school in the 1960s). The City of Falls Church forced the high school to relocate when the city created its own separate school district for its own affluent population separate from Fairfax County and the adjacent historic African American community.

Falls Church HS opened in 1959 as Whittier Intermediate and became Falls Church HS in 1967 when the City of Falls Church forced FCPS to move high school students out of FCC.

It was expanded in 1988 and renovated in 1989.

So if you say it was not "completely renovated," the same can be said for other schools like Annandale, Justice, McLean, and Madison that were built in the 1950s and "renovated" before FCPS started spending more money on renovations. Falls Church's renovation lagged because the renovation queue created in 2008 prioritized renovations of schools that were at or above capacity and Falls Church was below capacity in 2008 (and remained below capacity until 2017). Now they plan to expand it to 2500 seats even though they are only projecting an enrollment of 1982 kids by 2026. It is pretty obvious who is going to get moved there when that renovation is finished.

Interesting. So the overhauled Falls Church will solve the overcrowding at McLean HS. The neighborhoods adjacent to Lee Hwy and the City of Falls Church would likely be sent to Falls Church. Then there would be no need for an addition at McLean. But how would that help demographics.

What do you mean by "help demographics"?

The low income apartments would then go to the renovated and enlarged Falls Church High School instead of McLean. I suppose it's debatable if that is a positive or negative outcome for the demographics between schools.

Right now it's an attendance island zoned for a split feeder elementary (Timber Lane) separated from the main McLean attendance area by Falls Church City.

The area has gone to McLean since the mid-80s. McLean parents have lobbied hard for an addition for years, and been repeatedly rebuffed.

However, if they don't build an addition at McLean, and expand Falls Church to 2500, it's obvious that, with the continued growth in Tysons that will add hundreds of kids to McLean and Marshall over time, that area will get moved to Falls Church.

It would not change Falls Church's demographics much, as the mix of low-income apartments off Lee Highway and expensive single-family houses off West Street is similar to the existing FCHS mix. It would have more of an impact on McLean, as the area accounts for much of McLean's current socio-economic diversity. On the other hand, there will be affordable housing set-asides in the new apartments built in Tysons and West Falls Church as well.

They will say no decisions have been made yet, but it would be more accurate to say no votes have been scheduled. Decisions in FCPS get made based on where Jeff Platenberg is allowed to spend FCPS's money, not abstract policy discussions about equity.

[Anonymous]

It's also possible that some Marshall neighborhoods in the Merrifield area could get moved to Falls Church. Marshall isn't as overcrowded as McLean, but there's some frustration that it's cut back on accepting pupil placements for IB. So there could be a scenario where some Marshall areas got moved to Falls Church so that it would be easier for students in all the surrounding AP schools to pupil place to Marshall again.

However, in Marshall's case, the more likely scenario is that as housing gets built in Tysons there will be pressure to move Vienna neighborhoods currently zoned for Wolftrap and/or Westbriar ES to Madison, which is getting expanded now to 2500 kids even though there is far less additional housing being built in Madison's catchment area than in the McLean and Marshall HS districts.

[Anonymous]

Herndon and Sterling are both trash cities. The local government allowed those areas to become “little Mexico” areas. Once that happened, the areas went from okay to total trashy areas. Multiple families living in single family homes, 8 cars parked in the yard and driveway, terrible crime and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Herndon and Sterling are both trash cities. The local government allowed those areas to become “little Mexico” areas. Once that happened, the areas went from okay to total trashy areas. Multiple families living in single family homes, 8 cars parked in the yard and driveway, terrible crime and schools.

I've never been to either place. But doesn't zoning and/or code prevent multiple families or unrelated individuals from living in a single family home together? That's what duplexes or triplexes are for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Herndon and Sterling are both trash cities. The local government allowed those areas to become “little Mexico” areas. Once that happened, the areas went from okay to total trashy areas. Multiple families living in single family homes, 8 cars parked in the yard and driveway, terrible crime and schools.

Not Really. Both places have sections. Herndon is changing. I don’t see their Latino section lasting much longer. In Sterling, it’s Sterling Park and maybe Sugarland Run. A section that for years was poor whites/rednex where the Mexicans/South Americans are the majority. The rest of sterling is more affluent. Cascades, Countryside, Lowes Island are more affluent and white. The Indians aren’t even over there yet.