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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly is gaining new students every month. There is not much new construction--a very small amount--to justify that growth. Where are these kids coming from? Looks to me like they are transferring for one reason or another.
Compare it to the other high schools.

Ask yourself why?

At the CIP hearing this week one thing that Dr. Reid said is that they are seeing situations where large numbers of families will quickly move in and out of school zones when rents at a particular complex increase. It can result in unanticipated spikes and declines in school enrollments.

I don’t know if that accounts for any of the spikes at Chantilly. They could also have families doubling up in single-family homes for access to Chantilly and its Academy courses for all I know. Or maybe it’s just residential turnover. But it was an interesting observation on her part.

But, if you check other area high schools, we are not seeing the same thing at all. It's around 36 additional students since September. New construction is not the reason for this. It does not make sense.

Herndon high is down 25 students since September. Get your $h1+ together gatehouse. How can the SB move kids into a school where there are clear shenanigans going on?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly is gaining new students every month. There is not much new construction--a very small amount--to justify that growth. Where are these kids coming from? Looks to me like they are transferring for one reason or another.
Compare it to the other high schools.

Ask yourself why?

At the CIP hearing this week one thing that Dr. Reid said is that they are seeing situations where large numbers of families will quickly move in and out of school zones when rents at a particular complex increase. It can result in unanticipated spikes and declines in school enrollments.

I don’t know if that accounts for any of the spikes at Chantilly. They could also have families doubling up in single-family homes for access to Chantilly and its Academy courses for all I know. Or maybe it’s just residential turnover. But it was an interesting observation on her part.

But, if you check other area high schools, we are not seeing the same thing at all. It's around 36 additional students since September. New construction is not the reason for this. It does not make sense.

It does seem like some of it could be due to the new Boulevard at Westfield townhouses within the Chantilly attendance area. But I don't really know. Falls Church HS lost 41 students over the same period. I'm not saying they moved to the Chantilly district, just that sometimes there are fluxes. Typically at the HS level you see more declines than increases over the course of a school year because some juniors and seniors drop out.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

DP. It's been pointed out that merely looking at whether WSHS is overcrowded ignores the current and projected under-enrollment at Lewis. You can keep pretending that's not also an issue, or that it will self-correct with a few additional buildings within Lewis's current catchment area, but others will be looking at the inequity of having a projected 3000-student school sharing a border with one projected to have only 1425 kids.

So, figure out why Lewis has so many fewer kids. I've not been to Springfield area lately, but I doubt there is much new construction. Is it an IB/AP issue? Is there less housing in Lewis boundary than in the past?

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

Not sure "some" is the right descriptor here. One person, maybe two. Who live in Saratoga.

All kids south of the parkway will shift to Saratoga. That creates room at HVES for Orange Hunt students.

All kids currently south of the parkway near Lake Mercer/St. Raymonds will shift to Newington Forest and SCHS.

It is exhausting responding to this time and time again. We're south of the parkway. From our neighborhood it is, by road per Google Maps, 1.6 miles to Hunt Valley ES. It is 1.7 miles to Newington Forrest ES. It is 4.2 miles to Saratoga.

I don't understand why they think WSHS will be so overcrowded considering there are no new developments planned within our boundary. But even if you accepted those CIP figures, it still doesn't make sense to send the HV families to Saratoga. Newington Forrest (and South County) are roughly the same distance from south of the parkway HV neighborhoods as they are to HV and WSHS.

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Chantilly has 17 new 10th graders and 10 new 11 graders since November. 9 additional ninth graders. Very odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly has 17 new 10th graders and 10 new 11 graders since November. 9 additional ninth graders. Very odd.

Michelle Reid looks the other way on residency shenanigans? Where have we seen that before?

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

DP. It's been pointed out that merely looking at whether WSHS is overcrowded ignores the current and projected under-enrollment at Lewis. You can keep pretending that's not also an issue, or that it will self-correct with a few additional buildings within Lewis's current catchment area, but others will be looking at the inequity of having a projected 3000-student school sharing a border with one projected to have only 1425 kids.

So, figure out why Lewis has so many fewer kids. I've not been to Springfield area lately, but I doubt there is much new construction. Is it an IB/AP issue? Is there less housing in Lewis boundary than in the past?

It's all been discussed before, so no use to repeating. Doing some type of root cause analysis would be a good idea, as it could also help them understand the potential attrition if they were to move WSHS neighborhoods into Lewis. But they have no legal obligation to jump over your hurdles, and they've already previously redistricted kids from high schools that weren't massively overcrowded into a school with a much smaller enrollment than its surrounding schools (South Lakes - 2008).

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

DP. It's been pointed out that merely looking at whether WSHS is overcrowded ignores the current and projected under-enrollment at Lewis. You can keep pretending that's not also an issue, or that it will self-correct with a few additional buildings within Lewis's current catchment area, but others will be looking at the inequity of having a projected 3000-student school sharing a border with one projected to have only 1425 kids.

So, figure out why Lewis has so many fewer kids. I've not been to Springfield area lately, but I doubt there is much new construction. Is it an IB/AP issue? Is there less housing in Lewis boundary than in the past?

It's all been discussed before, so no use to repeating. Doing some type of root cause analysis would be a good idea, as it could also help them understand the potential attrition if they were to move WSHS neighborhoods into Lewis. But they have no legal obligation to jump over your hurdles, and they've already previously redistricted kids from high schools that weren't massively overcrowded into a school with a much smaller enrollment than its surrounding schools (South Lakes - 2008).

And, the parents begged for AP-and did not get it. And, one of the schools that lost students had FARMS percentage go way up.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

Not sure "some" is the right descriptor here. One person, maybe two. Who live in Saratoga.

All kids south of the parkway will shift to Saratoga. That creates room at HVES for Orange Hunt students.

All kids currently south of the parkway near Lake Mercer/St. Raymonds will shift to Newington Forest and SCHS.

It is exhausting responding to this time and time again. We're south of the parkway. From our neighborhood it is, by road per Google Maps, 1.6 miles to Hunt Valley ES. It is 1.7 miles to Newington Forrest ES. It is 4.2 miles to Saratoga.

I don't understand why they think WSHS will be so overcrowded considering there are no new developments planned within our boundary. But even if you accepted those CIP figures, it still doesn't make sense to send the HV families to Saratoga. Newington Forrest (and South County) are roughly the same distance from south of the parkway HV neighborhoods as they are to HV and WSHS.

Saratoga is projected to be way underenrolled while NF is not. From some of the gambrill neighborhoods, Saratoga is only 3 miles away. Vs 1.5 miles to NF and HV. That extra mile or two isn’t going to change any plans about filling up Saratoga and thus Lewis. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

So, since FCPS cannot fix a kid's home life or socioeconomic status despite educational policies and boundary changes, they perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide? What system do you suggest we implement? One where all children are removed from their parents at birth and raised in institutions where the government ensures they have the same food, bedtimes, books read to them and everything else identical to end the unfairness of having different families?

Those kids are improving generationally.

But first generation students from illiterate backgrounds of low level education (such as parents with an elementary education),no English language and low language skills in their native language, are not going to perform or learn at a level similar to native born kids, no matter how many students you try to rezone into the other school.

Graduating literate kids with a high school diploma is the generational improvement, which requires a far different school model than the UVA or Brown model at other high schools.

Rezoning won't make a difference to the lower performing students, and it might very well damage the progress of tge kids being rezoned, especially if they struggle in school.

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“In the case of WSHS, the next closest under capacity school is South County, not Lewis. SCHS is under capacity by a similar percentage as Lewis.”

Not for everyone. We’re WSHS and there are 3 high schools closer than SC.

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Anonymous wrote:They actually consider capacity in the mid 80s and lower 90s to be ideal from what I’m hearing. It means kids don’t have to eat lunch super early or late, the parking situation is better at the HS level, there is room to move around in the hallways, there are some classrooms not constantly in use that they can use in case they need to start another section of a class, or for extra storage, or for flexible groupings/more pull outs at the ES level. So a school at 87%, they wouldn’t necessarily consider terribly under enrolled. Lewis’s capacity is also a lot less than WS and many other schools, keep that in mind as well. Adding even 200 students would be a significant change there.

I think they’ve historically focused primarily on whether schools were below 85% or above 115%. Lewis is trending below 85% and WS above 115% over the next five years, according to the latest projections.

In WS’s case, it appears they could put in a modular and get WS below 115%. But Lewis is getting towards the point where South Lakes was in 2008, and that did result in a redistricting from schools that weren’t themselves overcrowded. The WS parents focus on whether WS is massively overcrowded, but that is only one side of the equation. Their big problem, though, is that if they just move kids into Lewis without an host of other changes and commitments there will be a lot of attrition.

The latest projections, at least for WSHS, are made up.

And the Lewis projections are ignoring the new housing development zoned for Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:Lewis has a big new housing building going in by the mall with dozens of units that will be filled with families with kids. It appears that it will be operational in a matter of months.

Isn't there also a big housing development going in where Lewis, Hayfield and Edison meet? And a housing development near edison?

The mall development is zoned for Lewis already.

The one between the 3 high schools should be zoned for Lewis.

FCPS can easily make up capacity at Lewis with just those 2 new developments.

Edison is full. There could be some adjustments on that end with special programs or new housing.

FCPS can increase Lewis enrollment with minimum rezoning and disruption, just by new housing plus closing the IB program at Lewis.

How do you know the apartments going in by the mall will be filled with families with kids?

Because DINKS don't live in Springfield.

Springfield is boring.

It is a place where people move to raise kids. Singles, college students, young adults starting their careers, empty nesters and young professionals will not choose to live in those apartments. Prove me wrong.

The new apartments will be filled with lower income families with kids, some with multiple families, and divorced single moms with kids.

The kids will be older preteens and teens, and people will choose it because it is walkable to Lewis as well as to the mall for free babysitting entertainment for their middle schoolers while the parents work.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn't.

Lorton is an ovetlapping community with WSHS, much more so than Lewis.

It is also not a downgrade academically.

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Anonymous wrote:So basically if you have more money, you will move to a school district where more wealthy people live. Low income students will continue to rot in poorly rated schools. I didn’t grow up here, so the PUBLIC school system here seems to benefit high income families for the most part. I wish this system could be fixed in the future.

Isn't that the system everywhere? FCPS cannot fix kids' home life or socioeconomic status.

Sure, but doesn’t this system just perpetuate and reinforce the socioeconomic divide?

It's not the school system's role to fix this.

+1. At some point these SJWs need to realize that their advocacy to upset the apple cart is going to diminish the entire system and leave everyone, especially the kids they believe they are trying to help, worse off.

The neighborhoods effected by boundary changes will be infuriated. The rest of the county will not care. Do you think families in McLean really care about West Springfield's boundaries?

Yes, we do. Because we care about the integrity and quality of the FCPS system. I care about every area of the county that might see an equity redistricting. These moves are going to significantly diminish FCPS as a whole, but the sb echo chamber doesn’t seem to care.

When is changing boundaries between schools at or over capacity next to under capacity schools allowed? Are the boundaries just set in stone for all eternity?

When there is an urgent compelling need (eg, park lawn and Coates). Rather, the comprehensive review has ill defined conflicting criteria that is meant to allow the school board to do the equity boundary moves started five years ago with a thin veneer if it being for other purposes.

WSHS is at 112% of capacity, Lewis is at 87%. Is that not enough of a disparity?

SCHS is at 88% capacity and is closer to current HVES neighborhoods.

Stop suggesting another school. It goes against your argument.

No it doesn’t. You’re grasping at straws to justify moving HVES kids to Lewis. If WSHS is truly overcapacity, and transpo times are a concern, SCHS makes the most sense. It’s weird how obsessed some people seem to be with moving WSHS kids from HV to a school that is further away.

That's not a concern. Ask the Great Falls parents. And, it literally takes about 12 minutes to get from Gambrill to Lewis.

Only if you drive 70 down the parkway, at around 9PM or 3AM.