The Evidence That White Children Benefit From Integrated Schools

[Anonymous]

This article is so timely (based on that other thread).

Link: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2044

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article is so timely (based on that other thread).

Link: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2044

To be honest, I don't think this article or its conclusions have any bearing whatsoever in a public school district like ours where the school system has been so incredibly dys ( non ) functional and abusive for decades and where the results of generations of poverty, exclusion and horrid public policy affects the level of behavior and functioning among both the adults and the children in our schools.

We require a baseline of functionality and professionalism in our school system before the benefits of racial integration on this article even apply. Cart before the horse here. Tease out for me whether integration leads to better schools or whether integration is better for the social development of kids in those schools. Because I've read that, too. I can't remember if my children are supposed to be the vector or the recipient of benefits in this fun game.

[Anonymous]

The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

1. Their test scores won't be any lower.

The federal government just released a report looking at the black-white achievement gap. It found something remarkable: "White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

Translation: After controlling for socioeconomic status, white students essentially had the same test scores whether they went to a school that was overwhelmingly white or one that was overwhelmingly black.

You should actually read the article before commenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article is so timely (based on that other thread).

Link: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2044

To be honest, I don't think this article or its conclusions have any bearing whatsoever in a public school district like ours where the school system has been so incredibly dys ( non ) functional and abusive for decades and where the results of generations of poverty, exclusion and horrid public policy affects the level of behavior and functioning among both the adults and the children in our schools.

We require a baseline of functionality and professionalism in our school system before the benefits of racial integration on this article even apply. Cart before the horse here. Tease out for me whether integration leads to better schools or whether integration is better for the social development of kids in those schools. Because I've read that, too. I can't remember if my children are supposed to be the vector or the recipient of benefits in this fun game.

This is absolutely correct.

[Anonymous]

Interesting. Another article had the complete opposite take from the same source material: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/study-st...-with-large-black-populations/

From the atricle: "The report found that achievement was lower for both black and white students in schools where more than 40 percent of the student body was black, compared to schools where less than 20 percent of the student body was black."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Another article had the complete opposite take from the same source material: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/study-st...-with-large-black-populations/

From the atricle: "The report found that achievement was lower for both black and white students in schools where more than 40 percent of the student body was black, compared to schools where less than 20 percent of the student body was black."

Sorry, working like here: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/study-students-perform-worse-in-schools-with-large-black-populations/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

1. Their test scores won't be any lower.

The federal government just released a report looking at the black-white achievement gap. It found something remarkable: "White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

Translation: After controlling for socioeconomic status, white students essentially had the same test scores whether they went to a school that was overwhelmingly white or one that was overwhelmingly black.

You should actually read the article before commenting.

They controlled for SES and "other school, teacher and student characteristics". It's easy to put your thumb on the scale when doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

1. Their test scores won't be any lower.

The federal government just released a report looking at the black-white achievement gap. It found something remarkable: "White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

Translation: After controlling for socioeconomic status, white students essentially had the same test scores whether they went to a school that was overwhelmingly white or one that was overwhelmingly black.

You should actually read the article before commenting.

They controlled for SES and "other school, teacher and student characteristics". It's easy to put your thumb on the scale when doing this.

No, it's called comparing apples to apples. Do you actually think that they should compare poor white kids with wealthy white kids? Should they compare truant kids with kids without behavioral problems/suspensions?!?

[Anonymous]

You seriously believe that if you pull white kid out of Janney they will have a better educational experience in a ward 8 school.

Threads With The Titles In All Caps Are Always Full Of Shit

[Anonymous]

Wilson HS is an example of a good school, with white and black (and many other) students, rich kids, poor kids, kids who live in mansions, kids who live in small apartments, kids from all over the world, the whole thing. This is the closest thing DC has to what this article is talking about. And yes, the white kids clearly do quite well, and I think all the kids in that building are have a richer high school experience. So, academics and social benefits come together.

But that only works because the Wilson has all the academic and extracurricular offerings. That's where the article differs from what could apply in DC. No way the schools in DC are even remotely equal in quality and offerings, even schools that are just blocks apart. So, even if there were some social benefit to more diversity, I doubt the academic outcome would remain the same without some serious supplementing. In which case, the inequalities stay the same, even if the classrooms themselves look different.

First you fix the schools. THEN (all caps!) you start talking about moving kids around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wilson HS is an example of a good school, with white and black (and many other) students, rich kids, poor kids, kids who live in mansions, kids who live in small apartments, kids from all over the world, the whole thing. This is the closest thing DC has to what this article is talking about. And yes, the white kids clearly do quite well, and I think all the kids in that building are have a richer high school experience. So, academics and social benefits come together.

But that only works because the Wilson has all the academic and extracurricular offerings. That's where the article differs from what could apply in DC. No way the schools in DC are even remotely equal in quality and offerings, even schools that are just blocks apart. So, even if there were some social benefit to more diversity, I doubt the academic outcome would remain the same without some serious supplementing. In which case, the inequalities stay the same, even if the classrooms themselves look different.

First you fix the schools. THEN (all caps!) you start talking about moving kids around.

I don't see how this will work. The "fix" the school needs is a core of prepared and motivated kids. How can you put advanced classes in a school where none of the kids read on grade level?

Hardy is an example of this. IB parents are worried the cohort of advanced kids is too small, so they go elsewhere, and Hardy remains stuck with just a few advanced kids. (Cue the Hardy is turning!!! posters).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

1. Their test scores won't be any lower.

The federal government just released a report looking at the black-white achievement gap. It found something remarkable: "White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

Translation: After controlling for socioeconomic status, white students essentially had the same test scores whether they went to a school that was overwhelmingly white or one that was overwhelmingly black.

You should actually read the article before commenting.

You shouldn't misrepresent the article in your subject line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other thread was about why white families avoid all-black schools. All-black schools are not "integrated." They lack diversity.

1. Their test scores won't be any lower.

The federal government just released a report looking at the black-white achievement gap. It found something remarkable: "White student achievement in schools with the highest Black student density did not differ from White student achievement in schools with the lowest density."

Translation: After controlling for socioeconomic status, white students essentially had the same test scores whether they went to a school that was overwhelmingly white or one that was overwhelmingly black.

You should actually read the article before commenting.

You shouldn't misrepresent the article in your subject line.

Which shows you absolutely didn't click the link and read the article. The title of this thread is the title on the piece.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You seriously believe that if you pull white kid out of Janney they will have a better educational experience in a ward 8 school.

Threads With The Titles In All Caps Are Always Full Of Shit

I don't think that you understand what ALL caps mean. However, based on your post, I shouldn't be surprised--Lol!