The Evidence That White Children Benefit From Integrated Schools

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Anonymous wrote:I want my kids going to school in an integrated environment where kids more or less want to learn, obey the rules and participate in activities. I have no interest in a school where studying and class participation are derided as "acting white" and where the social pathologies of the street are brought into the school

Where is this school where studying is derided as "acting white?"

Have you visited it? Or are you just assuming that any majority minority school is going to have that culture?

My kids are at a school that's 50% Black. I can assure you that those kids have parents who love them, and who are pushing them hard to succeed in school and in life. In fact, it's the Black parents who think the white parents are too lenient and might want to break out the strap every once in a while.

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The tolerance and ability to empathize on this board is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:I want my kids going to school in an integrated environment where kids more or less want to learn, obey the rules and participate in activities. I have no interest in a school where studying and class participation are derided as "acting white" and where the social pathologies of the street are brought into the school

Where is this school where studying is derided as "acting white?"

Have you visited it? Or are you just assuming that any majority minority school is going to have that culture?

My kids are at a school that's 50% Black. I can assure you that those kids have parents who love them, and who are pushing them hard to succeed in school and in life. In fact, it's the Black parents who think the white parents are too lenient and might want to break out the strap every once in a while.

cool story, bro. what's the name of your school? i can't wait to check out those fantastic academic results -- they must be astronomical, especially among black kids!

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Anonymous wrote:There are no schools where the majority of the kids "don't care." Although, I'm also sure that the kids in Potomac who had the bright idea to speed faster than traffic cameras were geniuses who loved school. With bright futures. Cruelly cut short, by that horrible, mean car they were speeding in.

You are probably a person who would bristle at blaming a rape victim, because probably at Duke or Wellesley, you were told that was wrong.

But you have no issue blaming a bunch of minor children for their circumstance.

You are a disgusting piece of garbage.

I believe in rainbows and smiles too, I just consider them irrelevant to strategic planning. At the end of the day I am a pragmatic actualist who believes that intent and greater good are fine variables but shouldn't interfere with actual results. At the end of the day arguments about fair, balance and equitable distribution are really only distractions from natural order where none of those apply. Life is only as fair as you can make it, diverse is only relevant against the commonality and most people will end up only a few degrees plus or minus socially from where the start and or where placed.

If your butter cup is special or lucky they will rise, if they are marginal or unlucky they will fall but most of everyone reading this kids will stay lock step in line with their environment that fostered them. Degrading ones environment for the sake of commute or urban idealism seems short sighted to me. The sad thing is most people actually agree with me and wouldn't put their kids in a really bad place like suitland high school but then they kid them selves about the shades of grey inbetween as a coping mechanism to rationalize/justify sending their kids to where they compromised when they bought. Who doesn't want to send their kids to the best schools but everybody can't go. It isn't surprising that those people figure the grapes were sour anyway and "wouldn't eat them even if they could".

Some people actually find that life is good, even if it doesn't cost a lot.

This is true but it is rarely sustainable generationally at that level and those people often find their ability tedious in holding on to the things that make them happy. Without influence and power you are left to the whims of people who do have it and they will let you be happy only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them.

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Remember that Simpson's episode where Maggie Simpson went to the Ayn Rand daycare? I think PP really does send her kids there.

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How do you fix the schools when the majority of kids don't care, and are prone to violence and low achievement? Until you fix the students, the schools will NOT change. It's not the schools failing the students. It's the students failing the schools. Until this problem, we cannot fix the schools.

Is this sarcasm?

Why would it be sarcasm?

Well, I sure hope "fixing the students" doesn't mean artificially plunking in a bunch of higher achieving kids, so it "looks" like the fewer kids are problems even though it's the same number. Or is the plan to have the well-behaved kids model correct behavior in the hopes the others will pick it up? Because that's not my kid's job.

I agree. I was more just commenting on the idea that we can "fix" schools. Unless we can fix families and upbringings, we cannot fix schools.

This is what OP refuses to accept. OP should reflect on how to improve the home situation for these kids rather than snarling at folks pointing out the idea of high SES students getting a better outcome by attending a failing school is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:There are no schools where the majority of the kids "don't care." Although, I'm also sure that the kids in Potomac who had the bright idea to speed faster than traffic cameras were geniuses who loved school. With bright futures. Cruelly cut short, by that horrible, mean car they were speeding in.

You are probably a person who would bristle at blaming a rape victim, because probably at Duke or Wellesley, you were told that was wrong.

But you have no issue blaming a bunch of minor children for their circumstance.

You are a disgusting piece of garbage.

I believe in rainbows and smiles too, I just consider them irrelevant to strategic planning. At the end of the day I am a pragmatic actualist who believes that intent and greater good are fine variables but shouldn't interfere with actual results. At the end of the day arguments about fair, balance and equitable distribution are really only distractions from natural order where none of those apply. Life is only as fair as you can make it, diverse is only relevant against the commonality and most people will end up only a few degrees plus or minus socially from where the start and or where placed.

If your butter cup is special or lucky they will rise, if they are marginal or unlucky they will fall but most of everyone reading this kids will stay lock step in line with their environment that fostered them. Degrading ones environment for the sake of commute or urban idealism seems short sighted to me. The sad thing is most people actually agree with me and wouldn't put their kids in a really bad place like suitland high school but then they kid them selves about the shades of grey inbetween as a coping mechanism to rationalize/justify sending their kids to where they compromised when they bought. Who doesn't want to send their kids to the best schools but everybody can't go. It isn't surprising that those people figure the grapes were sour anyway and "wouldn't eat them even if they could".

Some people actually find that life is good, even if it doesn't cost a lot.

This is true but it is rarely sustainable generationally at that level and those people often find their ability tedious in holding on to the things that make them happy. Without influence and power you are left to the whims of people who do have it and they will let you be happy only as long as it doesn't inconvenience them.

After 20+ years of puzzlement, I finally - FINALLY - understand the pull and staying power of the religious right in politics. I could never understand how Republicans maintain control of states where the quality of life for 98% of the public is so downright shitty, but this mindset - way outside my comprehension before now - explains it quite well.